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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:03 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Darussalam wrote:It is a symptom of a larger problem, namely the Arab world ignoring things such as universal human dignity

These are things morons that claim to be smart come up with these things are not our problem and we do not care and we do not want Europeans telling us what is right and wrong we are capable of this ourselves and better at it

Not allowing women to vote shows you have a better moral compass than the Europeans?
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Shurjah
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:04 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:And we won Palestine from the Greeks who won it from Rome who won it from Egypt and so on Palestine is our land

Ignoring the ridiculous leaps of logic you've just made, You do realize that A. Palestine lost their soverignty to the British, and B. Palestine has continued to lose every attempt they've made at regaining land. Hence the reason that they're sore losers.

A Britain stole that land from Turkey and I do not give a fuck if they lost the war they should still have not lost an inch to Britain
B Only because Israel yells and screams Holocaust and everyone feels bad and helps them
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:04 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Menassa wrote:They were exterminated en mass in Europe, the leaks of which society has never seen before and hopefully may never see again in our lifetimes.

Yet this is an Arab problem

I mean had the Arabs been more receptive....
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Shurjah
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:04 pm

Menassa wrote:
Shurjah wrote:These are things morons that claim to be smart come up with these things are not our problem and we do not care and we do not want Europeans telling us what is right and wrong we are capable of this ourselves and better at it

Not allowing women to vote shows you have a better moral compass than the Europeans?

So what if they can not that is just your perspective made up by some pathetic lowlife in a university or something
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سواسته صكه خفيفه ما حقينا إلا الي كيفه

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Darussalam
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Postby Darussalam » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:05 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Darussalam wrote:It is a symptom of a larger problem, namely the Arab world ignoring things such as universal human dignity

These are things morons that claim to be smart come up with these things are not our problem and we do not care and we do not want Europeans telling us what is right and wrong we are capable of this ourselves and better at it

Considering the present situation of the Arab world?

Arab rulers are worse enemies of Arab peoples than the international community can ever be lol. Congratulations, you have been bamboozled into thinking you have a good wasita and common association with them.
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Shurjah
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:05 pm

Darussalam wrote:
Shurjah wrote:These are things morons that claim to be smart come up with these things are not our problem and we do not care and we do not want Europeans telling us what is right and wrong we are capable of this ourselves and better at it

Considering the present situation of the Arab world?

Arab rulers are worse enemies of Arab peoples than the international community can ever be lol. Congratulations, you have been bamboozled into thinking you have a good wasita and common association with them.

Then your countries should stop supporting them and intvervening
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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:06 pm

Aillyria wrote:
New haven america wrote:I've already explained my reasoning:


1.Would you accept the partition of your house? 2.They stole land and they want a 2 state solution on land that isn't even theirs? Screw that.

1. If they had a perfectly viable reason to stay at my place and they didn't just lay around all day, I'd let them. (Like if their house got broken into and their family got murder by a bunch of racists)
2. False, they were gifted the land by the British. You do know they were of owners of Palestine, right?

Why do you assume this "Partition your house" argument will work on me?
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:07 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Menassa wrote:Not allowing women to vote shows you have a better moral compass than the Europeans?

So what if they can not that is just your perspective made up by some pathetic lowlife in a university or something

I wonder if Muslim feminists agree? :lol:
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Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Shurjah
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Founded: Jul 13, 2017
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:07 pm

New haven america wrote:
Aillyria wrote:1.Would you accept the partition of your house? 2.They stole land and they want a 2 state solution on land that isn't even theirs? Screw that.

1. If they had a perfectly viable reason to stay at my place and they didn't just lay around all day, I'd let them. (Like if their house got broken into and their family got murder by a bunch of racists)
2. False, they were gifted the land by the British. You do know they were to owners of Palestine, right?

You're lying
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سواسته صكه خفيفه ما حقينا إلا الي كيفه

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Shurjah
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:07 pm

Menassa wrote:
Shurjah wrote:So what if they can not that is just your perspective made up by some pathetic lowlife in a university or something

I wonder if Muslim feminists agree? :lol:

Muslim and feminist do not belong in the same sentance
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سواسته صكه خفيفه ما حقينا إلا الي كيفه

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Darussalam
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Founded: May 15, 2012
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Postby Darussalam » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:08 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Darussalam wrote:Considering the present situation of the Arab world?

Arab rulers are worse enemies of Arab peoples than the international community can ever be lol. Congratulations, you have been bamboozled into thinking you have a good wasita and common association with them.

Then your countries should stop supporting them and intvervening

1. International community is hostile to Arab nationalism
2. International community should stop supporting Arab leaders that inflame nationalist sentiments in the first place

???
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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:08 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. If they had a perfectly viable reason to stay at my place and they didn't just lay around all day, I'd let them. (Like if their house got broken into and their family got murder by a bunch of racists)
2. False, they were gifted the land by the British. You do know they were to owners of Palestine, right?

You're lying

He's not
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:08 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ignoring the ridiculous leaps of logic you've just made, You do realize that A. Palestine lost their soverignty to the British, and B. Palestine has continued to lose every attempt they've made at regaining land. Hence the reason that they're sore losers.

A Britain stole that land from Turkey and I do not give a fuck if they lost the war they should still have not lost an inch to Britain
B Only because Israel yells and screams Holocaust and everyone feels bad and helps them

A. No, they won that land from Turkey, Similar to how Spain won their land from the Arabs
B. Again, false. Israel kicked Palestine's ass in the first war, and they had almost no outside help whatsoever.

You're not very good at this...
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Darussalam
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Postby Darussalam » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:09 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Menassa wrote:I wonder if Muslim feminists agree? :lol:

Muslim and feminist do not belong in the same sentance

Shurjah is memeri presenter except unironically
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:09 pm

Darussalam wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Then your countries should stop supporting them and intvervening

1. International community is hostile to Arab nationalism
2. International community should stop supporting Arab leaders that inflame nationalist sentiments in the first place

???

Yes

Interantional community just talks and moan like housewives and cry about everything instead of letting us take care of ourselves like Omar Mukhtar and Saddam Hussein
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سواسته صكه خفيفه ما حقينا إلا الي كيفه

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Menassa
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Postby Menassa » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:10 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Darussalam wrote:1. International community is hostile to Arab nationalism
2. International community should stop supporting Arab leaders that inflame nationalist sentiments in the first place

???

Yes

Interantional community just talks and moan like housewives and cry about everything instead of letting us take care of ourselves like Omar Mukhtar and Saddam Hussein

No Al-Assad for the trifecta?
Radical Monotheist
Their hollow inheritance.
This is my god and I shall exalt him
Jewish Discussion Thread בְּ
"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Taihei Tengoku
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:11 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Darussalam wrote:1. International community is hostile to Arab nationalism
2. International community should stop supporting Arab leaders that inflame nationalist sentiments in the first place

???

Yes

Interantional community just talks and moan like housewives and cry about everything instead of letting us take care of ourselves like Omar Mukhtar and Saddam Hussein

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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:44 pm

Menassa wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Yes

Interantional community just talks and moan like housewives and cry about everything instead of letting us take care of ourselves like Omar Mukhtar and Saddam Hussein

No Al-Assad for the trifecta?

Him and his family can fuck themselves
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:46 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Yes

Interantional community just talks and moan like housewives and cry about everything instead of letting us take care of ourselves like Omar Mukhtar and Saddam Hussein

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:55 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Menassa wrote:Not allowing women to vote shows you have a better moral compass than the Europeans?

So what if they can not that is just your perspective made up by some pathetic lowlife in a university or something

Have you ever asked an Arab woman if she wants the right to vote?
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:24 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:So what if they can not that is just your perspective made up by some pathetic lowlife in a university or something

Have you ever asked an Arab woman if she wants the right to vote?

i live in Libya and my mother does not vote anyway and does not even care about politics

this literally not relevant and insignfigant and not nessicary no one dies or goes hungry as a result
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New haven america
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:31 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Have you ever asked an Arab woman if she wants the right to vote?

i live in Libya and my mother does not vote anyway and does not even care about politics

this literally not relevant and insignfigant and not nessicary no one dies or goes hungry as a result

But have you actually asked women if they want the right to vote though?

Libya's currently going through a civil war and has multiple human rights violations behind its name, so yeah...
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:33 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Have you ever asked an Arab woman if she wants the right to vote?

i live in Libya and my mother does not vote anyway and does not even care about politics

this literally not relevant and insignfigant and not nessicary no one dies or goes hungry as a result

Your mother is not the only woman in your country, I am certain.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:34 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:i live in Libya and my mother does not vote anyway and does not even care about politics

this literally not relevant and insignfigant and not nessicary no one dies or goes hungry as a result

But have you actually asked women if they want the right to vote though?

Libya's currently going through a civil war and has multiple human rights violations behind its name, so yeah...

I do not randomly ask women if they want to vote but women I have heard talking usually talk about television or something my mother herself said she does not understand why women demand to vote so much

What does the fighting here have anything to do with women voting
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:35 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:i live in Libya and my mother does not vote anyway and does not even care about politics

this literally not relevant and insignfigant and not nessicary no one dies or goes hungry as a result

Your mother is not the only woman in your country, I am certain.

I do not go around asking girls if they want to vote not at the Masjid not at work or at a cafe this is not even talked about when we talk politics here we do not aspire to be Europeans that worry about peoples feelings we worry about our lives
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