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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:25 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:sucks_to_suck.jpg

According to Kumbumba Tribe if you can take all the land you like in a defensive war!

Oh no you don't. Face the facts, the Jews were and always were the aggressors in Palestine. It doesn't "suck to suck", they stole land and the rightful owners want it back. You saw how little land they had in '47, how is that partition not favoritism? How is it not zionist?

It's not the Jewish population's fault that the Palestinians don't know how to share, or the fact that the Arab countries will always try and find new and stupider reasons to go to war.

Also, good job showing your incorrect view of history, because the rightful owners of Palestine were the British, and gifted the Jews that land.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:27 pm

New haven america wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Oh no you don't. Face the facts, the Jews were and always were the aggressors in Palestine. It doesn't "suck to suck", they stole land and the rightful owners want it back. You saw how little land they had in '47, how is that partition not favoritism? How is it not zionist?

It's not the Jewish population's fault that the Palestinians don't know how to share.

Or the fact that the Arab countries will always try and find new and stupider reasons to go to war.

It is not the Arab populations fault that the holocaust happened
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:27 pm

Aillyria wrote:Answer my fucking post, I don't care about what one genocidal asswipe has to say.

The UN partition is ipso facto legitimate because it writes international law.
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Postby Aillyria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:30 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:So, Jews asking for land that you think they didn't deserve means they have to "get over" the holocaust? :eyebrow:

Yes they have no retribution from this we did not do the holocaust we are not Hitler or the Nazis they do not deserve a meter of Palestine for the Holocaust

Especially since most of them aren't really hebrews, just white imposters from Europe.

New haven america wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Oh no you don't. Face the facts, the Jews were and always were the aggressors in Palestine. It doesn't "suck to suck", they stole land and the rightful owners want it back. You saw how little land they had in '47, how is that partition not favoritism? How is it not zionist?

It's not the Jewish population's fault that the Palestinians don't know how to share.

Or the fact that the Arab countries will always try and find new and stupider reasons to go to war.

The native Jew minority had the land they lived on, and the Palestinians had their lands.....why should the Palestinians give their land to Jews?
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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:30 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:It's not the Jewish population's fault that the Palestinians don't know how to share.

Or the fact that the Arab countries will always try and find new and stupider reasons to go to war.

It is not the Arab populations fault that the holocaust happened

Not directly, but many Arab nations collaborated with Nazi Germany.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:32 pm

~Most Israeli Jews are Mizrahi~
~Ashkenazi are genetically distinct from Europeans~
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:33 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:It is not the Arab populations fault that the holocaust happened

Not directly, but many Arab nations collaborated with Nazi Germany.

We did not burn Jews in ovens and have camps all our nations did was resist the colonizers and invaders Germany offered our people freedom obviously we would persue it
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:33 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:~Most Israeli Jews are Mizrahi~
~Ashkenazi are genetically distinct from Europeans~

I do not care about their race they have no claim to Al Quds or Palestine
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:34 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Not directly, but many Arab nations collaborated with Nazi Germany.

We did not burn Jews in ovens and have camps all our nations did was resist the colonizers and invaders Germany offered our people freedom obviously we would persue it

Given that the inventor of the Palestinian national identity directly collaborated with the Nazis, including helping block Jewish refugees...
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Postby Aillyria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:35 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:It is not the Arab populations fault that the holocaust happened

Not directly, but many Arab nations collaborated with Nazi Germany.

Jeez, I wonder why.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:35 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Shurjah wrote:We did not burn Jews in ovens and have camps all our nations did was resist the colonizers and invaders Germany offered our people freedom obviously we would persue it

Given that the inventor of the Palestinian national identity directly collaborated with the Nazis, including helping block Jewish refugees...

Yet again I do not see any issue with this he just protected his land from invaders Trump blocks refugees too and I do not hold this against him I would too help the Nazis if it meant that my nation would be freed
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Postby Menassa » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:37 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Yes they have no retribution from this we did not do the holocaust we are not Hitler or the Nazis they do not deserve a meter of Palestine for the Holocaust

Especially since most of them aren't really hebrews, just white imposters from Europe.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:38 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Not directly, but many Arab nations collaborated with Nazi Germany.

Jeez, I wonder why.

Because they hated the Jews but lacked the resources to do what he did?

Shurjah wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Given that the inventor of the Palestinian national identity directly collaborated with the Nazis, including helping block Jewish refugees...

Yet again I do not see any issue with this he just protected his land from invaders Trump blocks refugees too and I do not hold this against him I would too help the Nazis if it meant that my nation would be freed

There are ways to become a free country without selling your soul to a genocidal regime.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:38 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Not directly, but many Arab nations collaborated with Nazi Germany.

We did not burn Jews in ovens and have camps all our nations did was resist the colonizers and invaders Germany offered our people freedom obviously we would persue it

Pray tell, why is Holocaust denial so prevalent in the Middle East today?
Shurjah wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Given that the inventor of the Palestinian national identity directly collaborated with the Nazis, including helping block Jewish refugees...

Yet again I do not see any issue with this he just protected his land from invaders Trump blocks refugees too and I do not hold this against him I would too help the Nazis if it meant that my nation would be freed

You value your nation over human lives, which is disgusting.
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Postby Darussalam » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:39 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Given that the inventor of the Palestinian national identity directly collaborated with the Nazis, including helping block Jewish refugees...

Yet again I do not see any issue with this he just protected his land from invaders Trump blocks refugees too and I do not hold this against him I would too help the Nazis if it meant that my nation would be freed

I bet you too would sponsor pogroms and voice support to exterminations against an ethnicity like what the Grand Mufti did.

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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:39 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Yes they have no retribution from this we did not do the holocaust we are not Hitler or the Nazis they do not deserve a meter of Palestine for the Holocaust

Especially since most of them aren't really hebrews, just white imposters from Europe.

New haven america wrote:It's not the Jewish population's fault that the Palestinians don't know how to share.

Or the fact that the Arab countries will always try and find new and stupider reasons to go to war.

The native Jew minority had the land they lived on, and the Palestinians had their lands.....why should the Palestinians give their land to Jews?

A. First and foremost, it wasn't their land to give, it was the British Empire's as they were the rightful owners, and B. The British spent a good while drawing a map that would make both the Palestinians and Jews happy, but seeing as how Arab countries love finding new ways to go to war, the Palestinians only have themselves to blame when they lost the conflict that they themselves started, twice.

Israel has offered to become a 2 party state and offered peace agreements multiple times, and Palestine instead decided to join with a terrorist organization (Hamas) that is hell bent on creating Islamic purity within the Middle East and North Africa (You can see their handiwork in Lebanon, one of the only secular countries in the Middle East). Can't say I feel much sympathy towards what the Palestinians are trying to do.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:39 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Jeez, I wonder why.

Because they hated the Jews but lacked the resources to do what he did?

Shurjah wrote:Yet again I do not see any issue with this he just protected his land from invaders Trump blocks refugees too and I do not hold this against him I would too help the Nazis if it meant that my nation would be freed

There are ways to become a free country without selling your soul to a genocidal regime.

No the British would have never freed Iraq unless they fought same with Egypt my nation on the other hand was oppressed by Italy but we do not go into Sicily and say it is ours
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:40 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:It's not the Jewish population's fault that the Palestinians don't know how to share.

Or the fact that the Arab countries will always try and find new and stupider reasons to go to war.

It is not the Arab populations fault that the holocaust happened

Actual, multiple Arab countries worked with Germany, so yes it is.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:40 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:We did not burn Jews in ovens and have camps all our nations did was resist the colonizers and invaders Germany offered our people freedom obviously we would persue it

Pray tell, why is Holocaust denial so prevalent in the Middle East today?
Shurjah wrote:Yet again I do not see any issue with this he just protected his land from invaders Trump blocks refugees too and I do not hold this against him I would too help the Nazis if it meant that my nation would be freed

You value your nation over human lives, which is disgusting.

Because we do not take in every lie fed to us and accept books written by 'victims'
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:41 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:It is not the Arab populations fault that the holocaust happened

Actual, multiple Arab countries worked with Germany, so yes it is.

That is a load of bullshit we have no jews we could have never killed them
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:42 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Because they hated the Jews but lacked the resources to do what he did?


There are ways to become a free country without selling your soul to a genocidal regime.

No the British would have never freed Iraq unless they fought same with Egypt my nation on the other hand was oppressed by Italy but we do not go into Sicily and say it is ours

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Postby Menassa » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:42 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:Actual, multiple Arab countries worked with Germany, so yes it is.

That is a load of bullshit we have no jews we could have never killed them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:43 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Shurjah wrote:No the British would have never freed Iraq unless they fought same with Egypt my nation on the other hand was oppressed by Italy but we do not go into Sicily and say it is ours

Decolonization was inevitable. At best it would have been a couple more years, and patience is a virtue.

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Postby Darussalam » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:43 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Pray tell, why is Holocaust denial so prevalent in the Middle East today?

You value your nation over human lives, which is disgusting.

Because we do not take in every lie fed to us and accept books written by 'victims'

Oh, this is rich.

Tell us about how much is falsified about the Holocaust!
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Postby Menassa » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:43 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Pray tell, why is Holocaust denial so prevalent in the Middle East today?

You value your nation over human lives, which is disgusting.

Because we do not take in every lie fed to us and accept books written by 'victims'

Sounds like denial...
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"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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