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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:47 pm

The ashkenazis are the Hebrews which left for Poland in 14th century from progroms. Anyways, here is the Islamic Thread not the Jewish Thread.
I want to say that when I went to Paris in August, there were a lot of Muslims and none of them said racist or anti-West stuff. They were walking down the street and just made their stuff. We put all Muslims in the same category of Radicalists only because some peanut-headed guys think that going off the street and shooting with the gun is a free time occupation. Most Muslims are nust like the rest but because fundamentalists and other guys we just think that all of them are evil.
And I am Romanian. The Romanians fought against Turks for 500 years and we still respect them. And Arabs and Iranians come and study and live in Romania with their families and everyone likes them as they are trustable and hard-working. Here in NS, there are a lot of Muslims and they as happy as us to play and be happy.That's why I respect the Muslims and you shall, too.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:48 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:It's been shown multiple times in this thread that they are genetically distinct from Europeans.

The majority of their genome is European aka white. Not only that, the only reason Israel exists is because of their zionist European allies. It is a fake nation built on a fake history and fake bloodline. They stole the land with the UN sanctioned BS partition.

So, you're saying it's invalid because of the damn Europeans?
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Postby Democratic Empire of Romania » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:54 pm

The Jeqs have an very long and amazing history and they were spreaded in the world for nearly 2000 years and you say that Jews are Europeans ! Let's be serious, Jews existed long before Greeks. They deserve to come back from where they originated and live with the Arabs. What did the Jews do to Arabs? Kill them ?!
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Postby Alsheb » Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:56 pm

Aillyria wrote:
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The position of the PLO and Hezbollah is quite clear on that. Acceptance of their religion within Palestine, but a total end to the special privileged status of the Jewish community.

Anyway, I don't think the majority of Israelis would even want to stay and peacefully integrate into a unified Palestine anyway. The majority of them would likely leave the country.

I'd hope so,their living on stolen land. Why are people so willing to cozy up to the Jews? The majorty of them aren't even real Jews, but ashenkazi imposters.


Indeed. Many of them aren't even Jews, they just use the title as if it is a nationality or race by itself. Which it isn't.
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Postby Aillyria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:01 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The majority of their genome is European aka white. Not only that, the only reason Israel exists is because of their zionist European allies. It is a fake nation built on a fake history and fake bloodline. They stole the land with the UN sanctioned BS partition.

So, you're saying it's invalid because of the damn Europeans?

That's only one reason. The entire existence of Israel is BS, it's all based on deception and zionism. The partition wasn't fair, and it wasn't even necessary. Jews in 1947, didn't even make up half the population of Palestine, yet they wanted half of the land.....fuck that. And then when the Palestinians refused to give up their land to the Jews the Europeans just created the fake nation of Israel for the ashkenazis.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:08 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:So, you're saying it's invalid because of the damn Europeans?

That's only one reason. The entire existence of Israel is BS, it's all based on deception and zionism. The partition wasn't fair, and it wasn't even necessary. Jews in 1947, didn't even make up half the population of Palestine, yet they wanted half of the land.....fuck that. And then when the Palestinians refused to give up their land to the Jews the Europeans just created the fake nation of Israel for the ashkenazis.

Ah. So "damn Euros", "damn Zionists", "damn LAND THIEVES", and some casual antisemitism.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:12 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's only one reason. The entire existence of Israel is BS, it's all based on deception and zionism. The partition wasn't fair, and it wasn't even necessary. Jews in 1947, didn't even make up half the population of Palestine, yet they wanted half of the land.....fuck that. And then when the Palestinians refused to give up their land to the Jews the Europeans just created the fake nation of Israel for the ashkenazis.

Ah. So "damn Euros", "damn Zionists", "damn LAND THIEVES", and some casual antisemitism.

She's not showing anti-Judaism.
And I can agree with you, ukhti, the UN partitioning wasn't far, not that the Zionists would abide by it anyway.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:12 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's only one reason. The entire existence of Israel is BS, it's all based on deception and zionism. The partition wasn't fair, and it wasn't even necessary. Jews in 1947, didn't even make up half the population of Palestine, yet they wanted half of the land.....fuck that. And then when the Palestinians refused to give up their land to the Jews the Europeans just created the fake nation of Israel for the ashkenazis.

Ah. So "damn Euros", "damn Zionists", "damn LAND THIEVES", and some casual antisemitism.

Damn Americans too.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:23 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Ah. So "damn Euros", "damn Zionists", "damn LAND THIEVES", and some casual antisemitism.

She's not showing anti-Judaism.
And I can agree with you, ukhti, the UN partitioning wasn't far, not that the Zionists would abide by it anyway.

It feels implied.

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Proctopeo wrote:Ah. So "damn Euros", "damn Zionists", "damn LAND THIEVES", and some casual antisemitism.

Damn Americans too.

Them too, yes. Especially damn the Americans.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:46 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:She's not showing anti-Judaism.
And I can agree with you, ukhti, the UN partitioning wasn't far, not that the Zionists would abide by it anyway.

It feels implied.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Damn Americans too.

Them too, yes. Especially damn the Americans.

Which Americans?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:47 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Ah. So "damn Euros", "damn Zionists", "damn LAND THIEVES", and some casual antisemitism.

She's not showing anti-Judaism.
And I can agree with you, ukhti, the UN partitioning wasn't far, not that the Zionists would abide by it anyway.

the Jews were all for 181

not their fault they won their defensive war
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:48 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:It feels implied.


Them too, yes. Especially damn the Americans.

Which Americans?

The damn Americans.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:49 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:She's not showing anti-Judaism.
And I can agree with you, ukhti, the UN partitioning wasn't far, not that the Zionists would abide by it anyway.

the Jews were all for 181

not their fault they won their defensive war

What defensive war? They invaded and pillaged someone else land!
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:51 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:the Jews were all for 181

not their fault they won their defensive war

What defensive war? They invaded and pillaged someone else land!

The Arabs were the ones to declare war and invade Israel, rejecting the results of the UN partition and promising to finish what Hitler started. It is not the fault of the Israelis that they were bad at jihad.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:51 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:She's not showing anti-Judaism.
And I can agree with you, ukhti, the UN partitioning wasn't far, not that the Zionists would abide by it anyway.

the Jews were all for 181

not their fault they won their defensive war

Defensive
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:52 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What defensive war? They invaded and pillaged someone else land!

The Arabs were the ones to declare war and invade Israel, rejecting the results of the UN partition and promising to finish what Hitler started. It is not the fault of the Israelis that they were bad at jihad.

I wouldn't call what the Arab states did as 'jihad'. It was good, but not 'jihad'. And I need proof of the Arab states being anti-Jewish.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:52 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:the Jews were all for 181

not their fault they won their defensive war

Defensive
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Exactly.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:53 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:the Jews were all for 181

not their fault they won their defensive war

Defensive
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sucks_to_suck.jpg

According to Kumbumba Tribe if you can take all the land you like in a defensive war!
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:54 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Defensive
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sucks_to_suck.jpg

According to Kumbumba Tribe if you can take all the land you like in a defensive war!

There is no taking land in defensive wars
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:54 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Defensive
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sucks_to_suck.jpg

According to Kumbumba Tribe if you can take all the land you like in a defensive war!

I'd like a source on that.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:54 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:sucks_to_suck.jpg

According to Kumbumba Tribe if you can take all the land you like in a defensive war!

There is no taking land in defensive wars

That's what the Rashidun (RA) did. And they had a reason to do that.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:55 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:the Jews were all for 181

not their fault they won their defensive war

What defensive war? They invaded and pillaged someone else land!

Not long after 181 was adopted, a Jewish bus was attacked by Arabs.
And thus a civil war, which later evolved into the first Arab-Israeli Conflict, erupted.

Shurjah wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:sucks_to_suck.jpg

According to Kumbumba Tribe if you can take all the land you like in a defensive war!

There is no taking land in defensive wars

If someone strikes you first, that constitutes a defensive war. If you then proceed to wallop them and decide to take some land for your troubles, it still was a defensive war.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:57 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Shurjah wrote:There is no taking land in defensive wars

That's what the Rashidun (RA) did. And they had a reason to do that.

They fought offensive wars because of if they did not attack first they would have been swallod the concept was defensive but the action offensive and justified and whatever they did we love because Allah Aza wa Jal elected them out of all people
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:58 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What defensive war? They invaded and pillaged someone else land!

Not long after 181 was adopted, a Jewish bus was attacked by Arabs.
And thus a civil war, which later evolved into the first Arab-Israeli Conflict, erupted.

Shurjah wrote:There is no taking land in defensive wars

If someone strikes you first, that constitutes a defensive war. If you then proceed to wallop them and decide to take some land for your troubles, it still was a defensive war.

They exaggerate the holocaust then they make other people pay for something they had nothing to do with there is nothing defensive about this
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:00 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Taihei Tengoku wrote:The Arabs were the ones to declare war and invade Israel, rejecting the results of the UN partition and promising to finish what Hitler started. It is not the fault of the Israelis that they were bad at jihad.

I wouldn't call what the Arab states did as 'jihad'. It was good, but not 'jihad'. And I need proof of the Arab states being anti-Jewish.

Azzam Pasha, first secretary-general of the Arab League wrote:I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine's Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine...
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