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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Napkiraly
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:30 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Ethno-religious, but it doesn't change that for the Israelis if they go they consider it done for the Jewish people. You do realise that Israelis consider all Jews to be part of the Jewish nation, yes? That Israel is to be the Jewish homeland? That it is rather easy for a Jewish person to move and settle down there?

>Tfw if I had converted I probably would have moved

They don't, Ethiopian and other non-Ashkenazi Jews are also persecuted quite a bit. It's an Ashkenazi ethno-state more than anything.

No, it's a Jewish ethno-state. No one here has said that it's perfect.

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United Islamic Commonwealth
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:30 pm

Auldenland wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:And how would those countries react? You think they wouldn't glass shit in response?


But half of those targets don't matter to the jews, why the hell would they care about Tokyo?
That would just be death for the sake of death!

Did we not just explain what the Samson Option was?
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:30 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:Can you outrun a bullet or in our real life case, a whole mess of ICBMs? Conventional war against some Arabs is much preferable to do defending against a nuclear strike.

This is why we need to invest in that high-tech laser anti-missile shit that was going on a while back. Make nuclear threats worthless, or at least worth less.


I agree entirely. Please convince your lot to stop caring about the balance of power. Obama was a fool to think that sort of thing mattered.

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Auldenland
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Postby Auldenland » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:30 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Auldenland wrote:
But half of those targets don't matter to the jews, why the hell would they care about Tokyo?
That would just be death for the sake of death!


I believe that's the point. Israel saying 'if we die, everyone dies'.

Not very neighbourly.


All they would need to nuke though would be all the cities that matter in the muslim world,
not waste uranium on their western allies

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Napkiraly wrote:No we aren't. We are heavily compromised by the Chinese and are allowing them to buy up strategic assets and refusing to do anything about it.

>> 'We're bad because we're doing business'

Let China pour money into your country in exchange for material that's never going to be used.
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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Aillyria wrote: :eyebrow:
I care about my fellow Americans, not the government......

And that goes against the Ummah. You'd let 1.5 billion Muslims (along with billions of other innocent unbelievers) die to save America?

Yes, my family lives here and my friends and their families, America is my country. I hate our government, but I love our people more.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Can you outrun a bullet or in our real life case, a whole mess of ICBMs? Conventional war against some Arabs is much preferable to do defending against a nuclear strike.

Nah, but there is a chance of shooting it down or minimizing its effects. I'm not saying this is what countries would do if faced with the choice. This is just what I would personally do.


Of course, you are a Muslim first, I get it.

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Auldenland
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Postby Auldenland » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Auldenland wrote:
But half of those targets don't matter to the jews, why the hell would they care about Tokyo?
That would just be death for the sake of death!

Did we not just explain what the Samson Option was?


I missed it, sorry

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Fucking French. That was their edgy "We're kind of in NATO b-but not really baka!" period, wasn't it?

The French: We're on republic number 5, but we really have a good feeling about this one.

IIRC this is the longest lasting republic.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:31 pm

Auldenland wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I believe that's the point. Israel saying 'if we die, everyone dies'.

Not very neighbourly.


All they would need to nuke though would be all the cities that matter in the muslim world,
not waste uranium on their western allies


I think targeting allies would be so that allies would be forced to help before Israel falls, to avoid being nuked.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:32 pm

The East Marches II wrote:I agree entirely. Please convince your lot to stop caring about the balance of power. Obama was a fool to think that sort of thing mattered.

Sad to say I agree on that measure. Should have never taken those ABMs back.
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Napkiraly
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:32 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:No we aren't. We are heavily compromised by the Chinese and are allowing them to buy up strategic assets and refusing to do anything about it.


I believe your intelligence chief warned about Chinese compromise of the Canadian system and was shouted down with cries of racism. Truly, you are the post-nation nation.

Yes, that is true. We are too compromised. This isn't mentioning how the majority of our national identity is based upon how totes different we are from the USA.

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Shikihara
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Postby Shikihara » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:32 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Is that why they sell our secrets to the Chinese?


At least they're selling them, instead of giving them away like the President.
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United Islamic Commonwealth
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

Auldenland wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Did we not just explain what the Samson Option was?


I missed it, sorry

If Israel is going down, it's taking everyone else with it because it is our fault for not helping them or attacking them.
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Rantaune
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Postby Rantaune » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

Aillyria wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:And that goes against the Ummah. You'd let 1.5 billion Muslims (along with billions of other innocent unbelievers) die to save America?

Yes, my family lives here and my friends and their families, America is my country. I hate our government, but I love our people more.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Yes, that is true. We are too compromised. This isn't mentioning how the majority of our national identity is based upon how totes different we are from the USA.

You really need to be annexed at this point tbh. Maybe once the Queen dies the Commonwealth will dissolve and you lot will come to your senses and become a couple of states.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:The Israelis don't have enough to glass everyone, just enough to glass the places that matter: Moscow, D.C., London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Bejing, Tokyo, Mecca, Medina, Cairo, Sao Paulo, etc.

The Israelis are believed to have as many as 400 warheads. That's a fuckton of the world glassed.

No they aren't. They don't have more than 200 tops. Nobody thinks they have 400, the French are regarded as the third largest nuclear power with 300
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:33 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I believe your intelligence chief warned about Chinese compromise of the Canadian system and was shouted down with cries of racism. Truly, you are the post-nation nation.

Yes, that is true. We are too compromised. This isn't mentioning how the majority of our national identity is based upon how totes different we are from the USA.


Its not much better in Europe tbh. Spergler may have been right afterall. If only you could hear my chuckles as I type this.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:No we aren't. We are heavily compromised by the Chinese and are allowing them to buy up strategic assets and refusing to do anything about it.

>> 'We're bad because we're doing business'

Let China pour money into your country in exchange for material that's never going to be used.

CM we let the Chinese buy a company that sells electronics equipment to your DoD.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:34 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Ethno-religious, but it doesn't change that for the Israelis if they go they consider it done for the Jewish people. You do realise that Israelis consider all Jews to be part of the Jewish nation, yes? That Israel is to be the Jewish homeland? That it is rather easy for a Jewish person to move and settle down there?

>Tfw if I had converted I probably would have moved

They don't, Ethiopian and other non-Ashkenazi Jews are also persecuted quite a bit. It's an Ashkenazi ethno-state more than anything.

Except for the small fact that the current PM is a non-Ashkenazi Jew
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:35 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Nah, but there is a chance of shooting it down or minimizing its effects. I'm not saying this is what countries would do if faced with the choice. This is just what I would personally do.


Of course, you are a Muslim first, I get it.

My faith isn't the deciding factor in it. I'm just someone who doesn't like having a gun pointed at me.

Thermodolia wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:The French: We're on republic number 5, but we really have a good feeling about this one.

IIRC this is the longest lasting republic.

Nah. The Third wins with 70 years.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:36 pm

Napkiraly wrote:CM we let the Chinese buy a company that sells electronics equipment to your DoD.

Alright, I'll admit that is... concerning.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They don't, Ethiopian and other non-Ashkenazi Jews are also persecuted quite a bit. It's an Ashkenazi ethno-state more than anything.

Except for the small fact that the current PM is a non-Ashkenazi Jew

His father is from Warsaw, which would make him at least part Ashkenazi.
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Postby Auldenland » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:37 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Auldenland wrote:
I missed it, sorry

If Israel is going down, it's taking everyone else with it because it is our fault for not helping them or attacking them.


Well... my view of Israel just got shattered...

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:38 pm

Auldenland wrote:Well... my view of Israel just got shattered...

It's not official doctrine.
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