Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Albrenia]

Well, in MAD the bullets shoot us all anyway, even if the targets are they people who attacked you.

I think you have some misconceptions about the power of nuclear weapons. Cancer and uninhabitable zones in the former countries are what you'd have to worry about if you weren't in one of the involved countries.

Also the collapse of the world economy, mass migrations, environmental damage, and so on.

Let's just say I'd be unlikely to survive the world which followed, even if some other humans did.

[Thermodolia]

We didn't know it was going on, and it's not like we had a say in it anyway. The French helped them get started, in fact the French helped build the first nuclear reactor in the nation. The French help ended in the late 60's though

Fucking French. That was their edgy "We're kind of in NATO b-but not really baka!" period, wasn't it?

Yes

[Napkiraly]

It's not that much different from MAD tbh. Unless you think the exchange of nuclear weapons that the USA had wouldn't seriously mess up the world.

MAD is "Everyone involved in the war gets glassed, everyone else gets fallout."

The Samson option is "Everyone gets glassed."

The Israelis don't have enough to glass everyone, just enough to glass the places that matter: Moscow, D.C., London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Bejing, Tokyo, Mecca, Medina, Cairo, Sao Paulo, etc.

[The East Marches II]

Why? Its easier just to beat up the poor brown guy than deal with a gunshot wound. You'll be pissed but if you are a rational actor, you will keep them from being wiped out.

Why? Because a dude just pointed a gun at me. If I'm not attacking the dude with the gun, I'm getting the hell out of there.

Then you are fool for he will shoot you. Just beat up the poor guy, its easier. Nobody says you have to like it. Bruised fists or a gun shot wound? Its an ez pz answer. Use your common sense.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

MAD is "Everyone involved in the war gets glassed, everyone else gets fallout."

The Samson option is "Everyone gets glassed."

The Israelis don't have enough to glass everyone, just enough to glass the places that matter: Moscow, D.C., London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Bejing, Tokyo, Mecca, Medina, Cairo, Sao Paulo, etc.

And how would those countries react? You think they wouldn't glass shit in response?

[Conserative Morality]

Why? Its easier just to beat up the poor brown guy than deal with a gunshot wound. You'll be pissed but if you are a rational actor, you will keep them from being wiped out.

It seems more like you should put a bullet in the back of the head of the guy who's threatening everyone when he turns around.

I never said they were a good ally. Canada is part of the West and is a terrible ally to the point where we are starting to have information withheld from us.

As for that, well I mean plenty of Western countries have bigotry within their ranks. Is France not Western because they deported thousands of Roma? Is Switzerland not part of the West because of its minaret ban? Quebec with its ban on the niqab and burqa? Is America not part of the West because of what went on in Gitmo?

"A terrible ally"

Bru Canada follows us into all of our wars, no matter how stupid. Their special forces units are highly regarded. Canada is a good part of the West. We all make mistakes. The difference is when a pattern emerges.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Why? Because a dude just pointed a gun at me. If I'm not attacking the dude with the gun, I'm getting the hell out of there.

Then you are fool for he will shoot you. Just beat up the poor guy, its easier. Nobody says you have to like it. Bruised fists or a gun shot wound? Its an ez pz answer. Use your common sense.

Why do I not have the opportunity to run away?

[Aillyria]

What, when did I imply I thought they would? I'm saying that in a hypothetical situation in which my country (the US) had is existence seriously threatened I'd do something like the Samson Option.

But... but... What? You'd destroy the world for the "Great Satan"?

I care about my fellow Americans, not the government......

[Napkiraly]

Christianity has regularly bullied those within its own ranks seen as trouble makers. Don't you go on about how you hate the Protestants?

It's a little different, because most Israelis aren't religious. They view themselves as an ethno-state, not as a religious group, and then they persecute the Haredi for not buying into this notion (look up Israeli police attacking Haredi on youtube).

Ethno-religious, but it doesn't change that for the Israelis if they go they consider it done for the Jewish people. You do realise that Israelis consider all Jews to be part of the Jewish nation, yes? That Israel is to be the Jewish homeland? That it is rather easy for a Jewish person to move and settle down there?

>Tfw if I had converted I probably would have moved

[The East Marches II]

Why? Its easier just to beat up the poor brown guy than deal with a gunshot wound. You'll be pissed but if you are a rational actor, you will keep them from being wiped out.

It seems more like you should put a bullet in the back of the head of the guy who's threatening everyone when he turns around.

Once he puts the gun down and lets his defense rest, then yes you brutally murder them to make a point about treachery. This was in our villainy courses, I shouldn't have to explain it.

[Thermodolia]

MAD is "Everyone involved in the war gets glassed, everyone else gets fallout."

The Samson option is "Everyone gets glassed."

The Israelis don't have enough to glass everyone, just enough to glass the places that matter: Moscow, D.C., London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Bejing, Tokyo, Mecca, Medina, Cairo, Sao Paulo, etc.

Which is pretty much going to be everyone because china isn't going to let Israel nuke them without a retaliation, which would cause a chain reaction leading to all nations firing on each other

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

We didn't know it was going on, and it's not like we had a say in it anyway. The French helped them get started, in fact the French helped build the first nuclear reactor in the nation. The French help ended in the late 60's though

Fucking French. That was their edgy "We're kind of in NATO b-but not really baka!" period, wasn't it?

The French: We're on republic number 5, but we really have a good feeling about this one.

[Auldenland]

What I really mean is that natives aren't safe there.
I'm not saying that these areas are perfectly organized as independent sharia zones.
a large portion of Muslims seem to bring homophobic, anti-semitic, and anti-European views.
Islamic cultural supremacists, if you will.

It's true though

[The East Marches II]

Then you are fool for he will shoot you. Just beat up the poor guy, its easier. Nobody says you have to like it. Bruised fists or a gun shot wound? Its an ez pz answer. Use your common sense.

Why do I not have the opportunity to run away?

Can you outrun a bullet or in our real life case, a whole mess of ICBMs? Conventional war against some Arabs is much preferable to do defending against a nuclear strike.

[Conserative Morality]

The Israelis don't have enough to glass everyone, just enough to glass the places that matter: Moscow, D.C., London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Bejing, Tokyo, Mecca, Medina, Cairo, Sao Paulo, etc.

The Israelis are believed to have as many as 400 warheads. That's a fuckton of the world glassed.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It's a little different, because most Israelis aren't religious. They view themselves as an ethno-state, not as a religious group, and then they persecute the Haredi for not buying into this notion (look up Israeli police attacking Haredi on youtube).

Ethno-religious, but it doesn't change that for the Israelis if they go they consider it done for the Jewish people. You do realise that Israelis consider all Jews to be part of the Jewish nation, yes? That Israel is to be the Jewish homeland? That it is rather easy for a Jewish person to move and settle down there?

>Tfw if I had converted I probably would have moved

They don't, Ethiopian and other non-Ashkenazi Jews are also persecuted quite a bit. It's an Ashkenazi ethno-state more than anything.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

But... but... What? You'd destroy the world for the "Great Satan"?

I care about my fellow Americans, not the government......

And that goes against the Ummah. You'd let 1.5 billion Muslims (along with billions of other innocent unbelievers) die to save America?

[Aillyria]

It's true though

To an extent, but European paranoia doesn't help fix things.

[Auldenland]

The Israelis don't have enough to glass everyone, just enough to glass the places that matter: Moscow, D.C., London, Paris, Rome, Milan, Bejing, Tokyo, Mecca, Medina, Cairo, Sao Paulo, etc.

And how would those countries react? You think they wouldn't glass shit in response?

But half of those targets don't matter to the jews, why the hell would they care about Tokyo?
That would just be death for the sake of death!

[Napkiraly]

Why? Its easier just to beat up the poor brown guy than deal with a gunshot wound. You'll be pissed but if you are a rational actor, you will keep them from being wiped out.

It seems more like you should put a bullet in the back of the head of the guy who's threatening everyone when he turns around.

I never said they were a good ally. Canada is part of the West and is a terrible ally to the point where we are starting to have information withheld from us.

As for that, well I mean plenty of Western countries have bigotry within their ranks. Is France not Western because they deported thousands of Roma? Is Switzerland not part of the West because of its minaret ban? Quebec with its ban on the niqab and burqa? Is America not part of the West because of what went on in Gitmo?

"A terrible ally"

Bru Canada follows us into all of our wars, no matter how stupid. Their special forces units are highly regarded. Canada is a good part of the West. We all make mistakes. The difference is when a pattern emerges.

No we aren't. We are heavily compromised by the Chinese and are allowing them to buy up strategic assets and refusing to do anything about it.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Why do I not have the opportunity to run away?

Can you outrun a bullet or in our real life case, a whole mess of ICBMs? Conventional war against some Arabs is much preferable to do defending against a nuclear strike.

Nah, but there is a chance of shooting it down or minimizing its effects. I'm not saying this is what countries would do if faced with the choice. This is just what I would personally do.

[Albrenia]

And how would those countries react? You think they wouldn't glass shit in response?

But half of those targets don't matter to the jews, why the hell would they care about Tokyo?
That would just be death for the sake of death!

I believe that's the point. Israel saying 'if we die, everyone dies'.

Not very neighbourly.

[Auldenland]

It's true though

To an extent, but European paranoia doesn't help fix things.

We still need to be able to put a foot down and be able to stand our place.
and also realize Islam is not a very progressive faith.

[Conserative Morality]

Can you outrun a bullet or in our real life case, a whole mess of ICBMs? Conventional war against some Arabs is much preferable to do defending against a nuclear strike.

This is why we need to invest in that high-tech laser anti-missile shit that was going on a while back. Make nuclear threats worthless, or at least worth less.

[The East Marches II]

It seems more like you should put a bullet in the back of the head of the guy who's threatening everyone when he turns around.

"A terrible ally"

Bru Canada follows us into all of our wars, no matter how stupid. Their special forces units are highly regarded. Canada is a good part of the West. We all make mistakes. The difference is when a pattern emerges.

No we aren't. We are heavily compromised by the Chinese and are allowing them to buy up strategic assets and refusing to do anything about it.

I believe your intelligence chief warned about Chinese compromise of the Canadian system and was shouted down with cries of racism. Truly, you are the post-nation nation.