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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:58 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Haven't you been there before tho?

No, sir. Never gotten the chance. Namely because of the hijab. My sisters and mother would have to wear it and we refuse to submit to that.

http://legacy.quran.com/24/31
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:58 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What if the civilians are aiding the enemy?

Directly or indirectly?

Why would it matter? The civilians operate the economy supporting the military engine of the enemy, they're helping them just by being there and working.

That being said, I think civilians should only be targeted in a dire situation. Like if the nation in question poses an existential threat to yours.
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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:59 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What do you define as aiding?

Well, in the case of Saddam's attack on the Kurds, the Kurds were literally supporting an Iranian invasion of Iraq.

Then kill the Kurds who are helping, namely, the Kurdish officials, not every single Kurd.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:59 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Directly or indirectly?

Why would it matter? The civilians operate the economy supporting the military engine of the enemy, they're helping them just by being their and working.

That's not what that means.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:01 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Well, in the case of Saddam's attack on the Kurds, the Kurds were literally supporting an Iranian invasion of Iraq.

Then kill the Kurds who are helping, namely, the Kurdish officials, not every single Kurd.

Couldn't do that with the Iranian Army there. The only way to stop the invasion was with gas.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:01 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Why would it matter? The civilians operate the economy supporting the military engine of the enemy, they're helping them just by being their and working.

That's not what that means.

Of course it is.

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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:01 pm

Aillyria wrote:Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

>> US is Satanic
>> advocates targeting civilians
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:02 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I summon the SIDF to enlighten us on this matter.


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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

>> US is Satanic
>> advocates targeting civilians

Awkward...
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United Islamic Commonwealth
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:03 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:No, sir. Never gotten the chance. Namely because of the hijab. My sisters and mother would have to wear it and we refuse to submit to that.

http://legacy.quran.com/24/31

And where in that does it say a woman must wear hijab? We have no worn the hijab since the 1100s.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:03 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
You rang? Saddam Internet Defense Force reporting in

Image

Ya Saddam!


He did nothing wrong, his only mistake was making peace with the Iranians and not punishing Syrian treachery.

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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

>> US is Satanic
>> advocates targeting civilians

I'm talking about in total war, like if our existence as a nation was threatened and we were at the end of our rope.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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United Islamic Commonwealth
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:04 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> US is Satanic
>> advocates targeting civilians

I'm talking about in total war, like if our existence as a nation was threatened and we were at the end of our rope.

That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:06 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'm talking about in total war, like if our existence as a nation was threatened and we were at the end of our rope.

That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.

Yes and there is nothing wrong with the Samson Option, given the situation they find themselves in.

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Postby Albrenia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:06 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'm talking about in total war, like if our existence as a nation was threatened and we were at the end of our rope.

That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.


I'm assuming that doesn't involve cutting people's hair.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:06 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.

Absolute lunacy, Pure spite.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.

Yes and there is nothing wrong with the Samson Option, given the situation they find themselves in.

Nuking the fuck out of millions of people is justified?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:07 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Yes and there is nothing wrong with the Samson Option, given the situation they find themselves in.

"If we lose we're killing the people who aren't involved"

10/10 would destroy the West again

Are you listening to yourself?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.

Yes and there is nothing wrong with the Samson Option, given the situation they find themselves in.

We should have never let Israel get nuclear weapons in the first place, they are an absolutely awful ally.
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'm talking about in total war, like if our existence as a nation was threatened and we were at the end of our rope.

That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.

Yes, that's pretty much what I'm getting at. If you have a dite situation and your nation is about to perish, damn right I'm going for broke no fucks.
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.

Absolute lunacy, Pure spite.


Its genius in its madness, I like it.

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United Islamic Commonwealth
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:08 pm

Albrenia wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:That sounds a lot like how the Israelis think with their Samson Option.


I'm assuming that doesn't involve cutting people's hair.

Basically, it's a contingency plan whereby if Israel is threatened and the country is facing total defeat, they would nuke the hell out of those defeating them and others threatening them. Name comes from when Samson pulled an entire building down on him and his captors, killing them and himself.
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Excidium Planetis Index: Tier 6; Level 0; Level 5 | Current year: 2020
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President: Haashid al-Abdulla
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:09 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Yes and there is nothing wrong with the Samson Option, given the situation they find themselves in.

Nuking the fuck out of millions of people is justified?

Well at the point when, well at least I hope, it's activated it really wouldn't matter as the world as we know it is over.
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Auldenland
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Postby Auldenland » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:09 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

>> US is Satanic
>> advocates targeting civilians


ISIS does the same thing...but more often

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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:09 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I'm assuming that doesn't involve cutting people's hair.

Basically, it's a contingency plan whereby if Israel is threatened and the country is facing total defeat, they would nuke the hell out of those defeating them and others threatening them. Name comes from when Samson pulled an entire building down on him and his captors, killing them and himself.


Well that's dramatic. Kind of like a local scale MAD situation.

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