Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

At least they knew when to call quits, though none of this would have happened if the British compromised

What would happen if the Brits compromised?

Mossadegh might've stayed in power. The Shah might have remained weak. His brutal anti-Islam campaigns wouldn't have caused religious unrest to increase. We probably wouldn't be dealing with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

[Thermodolia]

At least they knew when to call quits, though none of this would have happened if the British compromised

Not even compromised. Just given the Iranians what we had initially asked and agreed to. Just the measly 16% and to audit to make sure we are getting it. Is that so much to ask?

Not really. Hell even the US agreed to the terms and shared the profits with the Saudis

[Shikihara]

Destroying your enemy's infrastructure is a pretty important part of war. The US went too far in some places such as Korea, but in regards to Germany, it was war. The Axis did the same, because it's a basic principle of war.

Bombing civilians is just war? Are civilians fair game now?

You... do realize that cities are home to more than just civilians right? Factories, infrastructure, etc.

[Kubumba Tribe]

At least they knew when to call quits, though none of this would have happened if the British compromised

Not even compromised. Just given the Iranians what we had initially asked and agreed to. Just the measly 16% and to audit to make sure we are getting it. Is that so much to ask?

Imperialism says yes

I disagree on that. He ethnically cleansed many non-Arabs - especially Kurds - and persecuted Shi'as

And now that he's gone, the Kurds are ethnically cleansing the Arabs, and the Shiite militias are butchering Sunnis.

True.

What would happen if the Brits compromised?

Mossadegh might've stayed in power. The Shah might have remained weak. His brutal anti-Islam campaigns wouldn't have caused religious unrest to increase. We probably wouldn't be dealing with the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Awesome!

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Not even compromised. Just given the Iranians what we had initially asked and agreed to. Just the measly 16% and to audit to make sure we are getting it. Is that so much to ask?

Not really. Hell even the US agreed to the terms and shared the profits with the Saudis

Fucking BP, man. It's all their fault.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Bombing civilians is just war? Are civilians fair game now?

You... do realize that cities are home to more than just civilians right? Factories, infrastructure, etc.

....Which many people called home and lived and worked.
Idc what is happening in those cities, if there are non-combatants in there, you have to be smart and find a way not to kill any, or find the least destructive method that'll result in the least amount of casualties.

[Thermodolia]

Not really. Hell even the US agreed to the terms and shared the profits with the Saudis

Fucking BP, man. It's all their fault.

I do hope that one day relations will be mended with Iran but that doesn't look like it will happen for a long time

[Napkiraly]

The conspirators wanted to keep on trying but the CIA had indicated they were going to back out. That is still calling it off.

No, it's trying to cover your own arse lol.

...Which is still calling it off.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Fucking BP, man. It's all their fault.

I do hope that one day relations will be mended with Iran but that doesn't look like it will happen for a long time

I just look forward to the day that the "Islamic Republic" is replaced by a more tolerant government. I'd really like to be able to visit, or even move to, the land my parents were born in.

[Aillyria]

Destroying your enemy's infrastructure is a pretty important part of war. The US went too far in some places such as Korea, but in regards to Germany, it was war. The Axis did the same, because it's a basic principle of war.

Bombing civilians is just war? Are civilians fair game now?

Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

[Napkiraly]

Destroying your enemy's infrastructure is a pretty important part of war. The US went too far in some places such as Korea, but in regards to Germany, it was war. The Axis did the same, because it's a basic principle of war.

Bombing civilians is just war? Are civilians fair game now?

In total war? Yes.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Bombing civilians is just war? Are civilians fair game now?

Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

That's why Anfal was a military campaign, among other things.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I do hope that one day relations will be mended with Iran but that doesn't look like it will happen for a long time

I just look forward to the day that the "Islamic Republic" is replaced by a more tolerant government. I'd really like to be able to visit, or even move to, the land my parents were born in.

Haven't you been there before tho? And I'd like to go to my ancestors' homeland too someday. And I'm sorry for what happened to your ancestral homeland

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Bombing civilians is just war? Are civilians fair game now?

Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

Civilians should never be targeted in war.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

Civilians should never be targeted in war.

What if the civilians are aiding the enemy?

[Kubumba Tribe]

War isn't a game, there are no rules.

There are rules to war in Al-Islam. And even then, I don't have to bring the religion up, killing civilians - or any non-combatant - is wrong.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Civilians should never be targeted in war.

What if the civilians are aiding the enemy?

Directly or indirectly?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I just look forward to the day that the "Islamic Republic" is replaced by a more tolerant government. I'd really like to be able to visit, or even move to, the land my parents were born in.

Haven't you been there before tho?

No, sir. Never gotten the chance. Namely because of the hijab. My sisters and mother would have to wear it and we refuse to submit to that.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Civilians should never be targeted in war.

What if the civilians are aiding the enemy?

What do you define as aiding?

[Napkiraly]

War isn't a game, there are no rules.

There are rules to war in Al-Islam. And even then, I don't have to bring the religion up, killing civilians - or any non-combatant - is wrong.

I summon the SIDF to enlighten us on this matter.

[United Muscovite Nations]

What if the civilians are aiding the enemy?

What do you define as aiding?

Well, in the case of Saddam's attack on the Kurds, the Kurds were literally supporting an Iranian invasion of Iraq.

[Aillyria]

Civilians are fair game in war, they're part of the enemy's resources who do you think runs their factories? War isn't a game, there are no rules. Your goal is the capitulation of your enemy.

Civilians should never be targeted in war.

Why not? From where do you think the enemy will pull for reserves?War is about survival, at the end of the day. If I were a general, and my country's existence depended on winning a war, I'd make damn sure to destroy any ablity for my enemy to conduct war. You must destroy all of their resources.

[Napkiraly]

War isn't a game, there are no rules.

There are rules to war in Al-Islam. And even then, I don't have to bring the religion up, killing civilians - or any non-combatant - is wrong.

Rules that have consistently been broken in order to achieve military ends.

[The East Marches II]

There are rules to war in Al-Islam. And even then, I don't have to bring the religion up, killing civilians - or any non-combatant - is wrong.

I summon the SIDF to enlighten us on this matter.

You rang? Saddam Internet Defense Force reporting in

[Thermodolia]

War isn't a game, there are no rules.

There are rules to war in Al-Islam. And even then, I don't have to bring the religion up, killing civilians - or any non-combatant - is wrong.

Technically there are rules of war, the Geneva conventions come to mind. But even then in a total war everything goes out the window