Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Conserative Morality]

Thomas Jefferson owned a quran. People often forget that Muslim-Americans have fought in every major war America has had.

People also forget that a Muslim country, Morocco, was the first to recognize the US' independence. We have the longest unbroken treaty relationship, having signed the Treaty of Peace and Friendship in 1786 and lasting to this day. Jefferson delayed a state dinner with the Moroccan ambassador to account for Ramadan fast.

We tried to push for fair treatment of Moroccans when the damn Euros started carving her up and we couldn't do anything. =^(

[Kubumba Tribe]

1st 3 owned slaves
Don't know much about TR
FDR helped out in WW1, which wasn't bad (it was pretty good, except that the ME got colonized), but still didn't help reduce racism afaik
AL did sign the EP, but didn't really about human lives. He just cared about keeping the US intact.

FDR wasn't president until 1933. WWI ended in 1918

Whoops, wrong war. Yeah, well Germany was still borderline carpet bombed. Not trying to defend the Nazis, but the Allied powers shouldn't've bombed German cities, and that makes him worse, cuz that means that he also helped cause the Japanese internment camps.

[Kubumba Tribe]

People also forget that a Muslim country, Morocco, was the first to recognize the US' independence. We have the longest unbroken treaty relationship, having signed the Treaty of Peace and Friendship in 1786 and lasting to this day. Jefferson delayed a state dinner with the Moroccan ambassador to account for Ramadan fast.

We tried to push for fair treatment of Moroccans when the damn Euros started carving her up and we couldn't do anything. =^(

The US? Fighting against colonialsim?! Get outta here!

[Thermodolia]

FDR wasn't president until 1933. WWI ended in 1918

Whoops, wrong war. Yeah, well Germany was still borderline carpet bombed. Not trying to defend the Nazis, but the Allied powers shouldn't've bombed German cities, and that makes him worse, cuz that means that he also helped cause the Japanese internment camps.

WWII was a total war. Nothing was off limits

He didn't just help. He created them. FDR was a total asshole.

[Aillyria]

Is capitalism compatible with Islam?

I have a hard time believing Marxism is, because if capitalism is anti-Islamic due to being materialist, an ideology that is literally built around dialectical materialism sure is.

I agree with this. Marxism is incompatible with Islam since it is atheistic, It'd have to be a non-marxist line of socialism.

[Aellex]

WWII was a total war. Nothing was off limits

He didn't just help. He created them. FDR was a total asshole.

Oy. I have developed a liking for quite a lot of American figures in WW2 but the contempt and utter dislike I have for FDR is greater than them all combined.

[Conserative Morality]

WWII was a total war. Nothing was off limits

He didn't just help. He created them. FDR was a total asshole.

The best thing he did was die and let Truman take over.

[Major-Tom]

Whoops, wrong war. Yeah, well Germany was still borderline carpet bombed. Not trying to defend the Nazis, but the Allied powers shouldn't've bombed German cities, and that makes him worse, cuz that means that he also helped cause the Japanese internment camps.

WWII was a total war. Nothing was off limits

He didn't just help. He created them. FDR was a total asshole.

FDR was corrupt and slimy, and quite possibly racist, but I don't consider him a total asshole. He did some really great things and some horrendous things as well. But it isn't so black and white.

Regardless, that's off topic.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

WWII was a total war. Nothing was off limits

He didn't just help. He created them. FDR was a total asshole.

The best thing he did was die and let Truman take over.

I mean, eh. My favorite thing about Truman is that he had the balls to do what was necessary in Japan, but then restrained himself in Korea. He also didn't coup Iran like his jackass successor.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

WWII was a total war. Nothing was off limits

He didn't just help. He created them. FDR was a total asshole.

The best thing he did was die and let Truman take over.

Also, I love relevant Family Guy videos.

[Kubumba Tribe]

WWII was a total war. Nothing was off limits

He didn't just help. He created them. FDR was a total asshole.

FDR was corrupt and slimy, and quite possibly racist, but I don't consider him a total asshole. He did some really great things and some horrendous things as well. But it isn't so black and white.

Regardless, that's off topic.

He imprisoned US citizens because of their ancestry. That's more than a definition of an a-hole

[Thermodolia]

The best thing he did was die and let Truman take over.

I mean, eh. My favorite thing about Truman is that he had the balls to do what was necessary in Japan, but then restrained himself in Korea. He also didn't coup Iran like his jackass successor.

Hey Ike is my favorite

[Conserative Morality]

Hey Ike is my favorite

But he did kind of let the CIA run rampant.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I mean, eh. My favorite thing about Truman is that he had the balls to do what was necessary in Japan, but then restrained himself in Korea. He also didn't coup Iran like his jackass successor.

Hey Ike is my favorite

Ike gave into the British pressure and couped Iran because the Brits didn't want to hand over the 16% Iran was entitled to and they managed to convince him that Mohammad Mosaddegh was a dirty commie. It may not matter much to you, but it's a personal vendetta for me that I can't get past

[Kubumba Tribe]

Hey Ike is my favorite

Ike gave into the British pressure and couped Iran because the Brits didn't want to hand over the 16% Iran was entitled to and they managed to convince him that Mohammad Mosaddegh was a dirty commie. It may not matter much to you, but it's a personal vendetta for me that I can't get past

I like Mossadegh too.

[Germanic Templars]

The best thing he did was die and let Truman take over.

I mean, eh. My favorite thing about Truman is that he had the balls to do what was necessary in Japan, but then restrained himself in Korea. He also didn't coup Iran like his jackass successor.

Blame the Brits for that one. They decided to get Eisenhower saying that.. What was his name... Anyway, moderate guy who told foreigners to fuck off from our oil, mainly the Brits. Brits didn't like that, told Big E that Iran was commies, and so CIA killed him, and insert the Shah.. Remove shah and insert... Dammit with these names from the Middle East I cannot spell them off the top of my head..

TL;DR: Brits conned America into killing moderate leader of Iran because... Communism..

[Luminesa]

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Abraham Lincoln.

1st 3 owned slaves
Don't know much about TR
FDR helped out in WW1, which wasn't bad (it was pretty good, except that the ME got colonized), but still didn't help reduce racism afaik
AL did sign the EP, but didn't really about human lives. He just cared about keeping the US intact.

Washington and Jefferson both fought slavery one way or another.
Look him up, he’s pretty cool.
WW2. And he was a great president for his time.
Probably the most effective politician of his time.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I mean, eh. My favorite thing about Truman is that he had the balls to do what was necessary in Japan, but then restrained himself in Korea. He also didn't coup Iran like his jackass successor.

Blame the Brits for that one. They decided to get Eisenhower saying that.. What was his name... Anyway, moderate guy who told foreigners to fuck off from our oil, mainly the Brits. Brits didn't like that, told Big E that Iran was commies, and so CIA killed him, and insert the Shah.. Remove shah and insert... Dammit with these names from the Middle East I cannot spell them off the top of my head..

TL;DR: Brits conned America into killing moderate leader of Iran because... Communism..

Ike gave into the British pressure and couped Iran because the Brits didn't want to hand over the 16% Iran was entitled to and they managed to convince him that Mohammad Mosaddegh was a dirty commie. It may not matter much to you, but it's a personal vendetta for me that I can't get past

I put blame where blame is due. Britain encouraged it, but Ike mostly carried it out. And then supported the Shah by training the SAVAK. And the rest, as they say, is 30 years of disappearances, torture, murder, and oppression which all resulted in a 1979 Revolution.

[Luminesa]

I'm sorry, Ally mentioned talk of America being "evil", therefore it is now Teddy Roosevelt Hour. So sit back and enjoy the sight of one of our greatest presidents riding on a moose across the country-side, waving an American flag and drinking a beer.

And all smug pseudo-leftists get the Bull-Moose. :^)))

but you are being smug right now

thinking.emoji

You misunderstand me, I am merely being a goober. As usual.

[Germanic Templars]

Blame the Brits for that one. They decided to get Eisenhower saying that.. What was his name... Anyway, moderate guy who told foreigners to fuck off from our oil, mainly the Brits. Brits didn't like that, told Big E that Iran was commies, and so CIA killed him, and insert the Shah.. Remove shah and insert... Dammit with these names from the Middle East I cannot spell them off the top of my head..

TL;DR: Brits conned America into killing moderate leader of Iran because... Communism..

Ike gave into the British pressure and couped Iran because the Brits didn't want to hand over the 16% Iran was entitled to and they managed to convince him that Mohammad Mosaddegh was a dirty commie. It may not matter much to you, but it's a personal vendetta for me that I can't get past

I put blame where blame is due. Britain encouraged it, but Ike mostly carried it out. And then supported the Shah by training the SAVAK. And the rest, as they say, is 30 years of disappearances, torture, murder, and oppression which all resulted in a 1979 Revolution.

Oh trust me, I am an American I was quite livid when I learned about that, because basically we could have had another great ally in the Middle East, but that was torn up. Maybe there would not have been Iraq-Iran war, no Contra affair, or have to worry about them with nuclear capabilities. The possibilities.

[Kubumba Tribe]

1st 3 owned slaves
Don't know much about TR
FDR helped out in WW1, which wasn't bad (it was pretty good, except that the ME got colonized), but still didn't help reduce racism afaik
AL did sign the EP, but didn't really about human lives. He just cared about keeping the US intact.

Washington and Jefferson both fought slavery one way or another.

Proof?

Look him up, he’s pretty cool.

Hm...insha-Allah

WW2. And he was a great president for his time.

Whoops, wrong war. Yeah, well Germany was still borderline carpet bombed. Not trying to defend the Nazis, but the Allied powers shouldn't've bombed German cities, and that makes him worse, cuz that means that he also helped cause the Japanese internment camps.

Probably the most effective politician of his time.

Didn't care about Afrikan-Americans. Don't like him.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I put blame where blame is due. Britain encouraged it, but Ike mostly carried it out. And then supported the Shah by training the SAVAK. And the rest, as they say, is 30 years of disappearances, torture, murder, and oppression which all resulted in a 1979 Revolution.

Oh trust me, I am an American I was quite livid when I learned about that, because basically we could have had another great ally in the Middle East, but that was torn up. Maybe there would not have been Iraq-Iran war, no Contra affair, or have to worry about them with nuclear capabilities. The possibilities.

Iirc the US supported Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war cuz they didn't want an Islamic Republic. That was when Saddam Hussein was gassing ethnic minorities and Shi'a from weapons that may or may not have been gifts from the US.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Didn't care about Afrikan-Americans. Don't like him.

Now, come on, Amin. That is a bit far. He signed Executive Order 8802 which forbade the federal government from discriminating in hiring based on their race, color, creed, or national origin.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Oh trust me, I am an American I was quite livid when I learned about that, because basically we could have had another great ally in the Middle East, but that was torn up. Maybe there would not have been Iraq-Iran war, no Contra affair, or have to worry about them with nuclear capabilities. The possibilities.

We also probably wouldn't have the Iran-Saudi Arabia rivalry that fuels 90% of the Middle East's violence and tensions.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Didn't care about Afrikan-Americans. Don't like him.

Now, come on, Amin. That is a bit far. He signed Executive Order 8802 which forbade the federal government from discriminating in hiring based on their race, color, creed, or national origin.

Did he do so for moral reasons or national reasons?