Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Luminesa]

Because as a much wiser man than I once said:

Who's saying that no one's proposing a conclusion?

Ally wants to waste time compiling a long list of things America has done wrong (without showing a list of what Muslim countries have done, as another poster mentioned) without saying what should be done about it. I'd say that's "whining". Or you could ask Teddy, his grave is I think in D.C.

[Albrenia]

Of what?

Of my flipping country for being so awesome. I wake-up every morning to the smell of freedom and I thank God every morning for the place where I live.

Stop it dude, bald eagles have things to do and don't have all day to hang around and fly by majestically every time someone reads this thread.

[Luminesa]

Of my flipping country for being so awesome. I wake-up every morning to the smell of freedom and I thank God every morning for the place where I live.

Smell of freedom?
Dang you're patriotic.
What makes this country awesome?

I have the freedom to say (most) what I want, I have the freedom to practice my religion without being taxed for it, I can go to the supermarket down the road and get pretty much anything I need for cheap because America has lots of supermarkets, I can associate with people of any race, religion, ethnicity, or sexuality of any time, the sports are amazing, the landscape is beautiful and breathtaking, you can find buildings of pretty much every religious denomination in America.

Yeah I'm patriotic.

[Thermodolia]

I'M AMERICAN AND PROUD.

Of what?

This nation. The US is pretty damn awesome

[Kubumba Tribe]

Who's saying that no one's proposing a conclusion?

Ally wants to waste time compiling a long list of things America has done wrong (without showing a list of what Muslim countries have done, as another poster mentioned) without saying what should be done about it. I'd say that's "whining". Or you could ask Teddy, his grave is I think in D.C.

We're talking about the wrongs the US has committed, not what hypocrite govs have done (which looks a lot like deflective whataboutism). And there's nothing wrong with what my sister is doing, people need this stuff. It's also the 1st step in creating solutions. You can't make a solution without finding the problem 1st.

[Luminesa]

Of my flipping country for being so awesome. I wake-up every morning to the smell of freedom and I thank God every morning for the place where I live.

Stop it dude, bald eagles have things to do and don't have all day to hang around and fly by majestically every time someone reads this thread.

*The thread is now covered in bald eagles.*

It is truly beautiful. *Tear.*

[Aellex]

Of my flipping country for being so awesome. I wake-up every morning to the smell of freedom and I thank God every morning for the place where I live.

DAS SOME NICE PATRIOTISM HERE! YOU GO GIRL !

[Luminesa]

Ally wants to waste time compiling a long list of things America has done wrong (without showing a list of what Muslim countries have done, as another poster mentioned) without saying what should be done about it. I'd say that's "whining". Or you could ask Teddy, his grave is I think in D.C.

We're talking about the wrongs the US has committed, not what hypocrite govs have done (which looks a lot like deflective whataboutism). And there's nothing wrong with what my sister is doing, people need this stuff. It's also the 1st step in creating solutions. You can't make a solution without finding the problem 1st.

But we already know the problems without someone wasting an entire day making a list of them. Will that list prompt Ally to go out and to make her community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then she shouldn't waste her time.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Smell of freedom?
Dang you're patriotic.
What makes this country awesome?

I have the freedom to say (most) what I want, I have the freedom to practice my religion without being taxed for it, I can go to the supermarket down the road and get pretty much anything I need for cheap because America has lots of supermarkets, I can associate with people of any race, religion, ethnicity, or sexuality of any time, the sports are amazing, the landscape is beautiful and breathtaking, you can find buildings of pretty much every religious denomination in America.

Yeah I'm patriotic.

Cool. I like that about the US too. But that says more about the culture, not so much about the US gov, which is (kinda sorta?) what the topic is about.

[Kubumba Tribe]

We're talking about the wrongs the US has committed, not what hypocrite govs have done (which looks a lot like deflective whataboutism). And there's nothing wrong with what my sister is doing, people need this stuff. It's also the 1st step in creating solutions. You can't make a solution without finding the problem 1st.

But we already know the problems without someone wasting an entire day making a list of them. Will that list prompt Ally to go out and to make her community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then she shouldn't waste her time.

Does being patriotic (almost blindly, even) make your community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be wasting your time.

[Aellex]

Ally wants to waste time compiling a long list of things America has done wrong (without showing a list of what Muslim countries have done, as another poster mentioned) without saying what should be done about it. I'd say that's "whining". Or you could ask Teddy, his grave is I think in D.C.

We're talking about the wrongs the US has committed, not what hypocrite govs have done (which looks a lot like deflective whataboutism). And there's nothing wrong with what my sister is doing, people need this stuff. It's also the 1st step in creating solutions. You can't make a solution without finding the problem 1st.

I love that "hyprocrite" defense. No matter how closely they were following Islam and how much shit they caused by doing so, you can all make it go away by claiming they were #justhypocrites so there is no need to deal with it. Truly it's the most perfect life exploit in the world.

[Aellex]

Does being patriotic (almost blindly, even) make your community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be wasting your time.

It actually does. Patriotism and Nationalism are vital to a Nation's well-being.

[Thermodolia]

But we already know the problems without someone wasting an entire day making a list of them. Will that list prompt Ally to go out and to make her community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then she shouldn't waste her time.

Does being patriotic (almost blindly, even) make your community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be wasting your time.

Yes

[Aillyria]

And? What will it prove? How much you utterly hate your country? Move then. If all you've got as a response is to simply compile the crimes of the country, rather than being a good citizen and fixing them, then move.

Knowledge of the crimes of America would definitely help the nation to make steps.
Allyria, have you read "the America I have seen" by Sayyid Qutb? It deals with much of what you have talked about. I can send you a pdf if you wish, or just post it so everyone here can have a read.

I'd be interested in reading it.

Of what?

Of my flipping country for being so awesome. I wake-up every morning to the smell of freedom and I thank God every morning for the place where I live.

Being powerful doesn't make a country "awesome". I love the idea of what America says it stands for but has consistently fails to uphold, or government is one of hypocrites.

Americans are ignorant of the sins of our government, and the practices in place that deliberately undermine the freedoms and rights of our people and those abroad.

[Albrenia]

Does being patriotic (almost blindly, even) make your community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be wasting your time.

It actually does. Patriotism and Nationalism are vital to a Nation's well-being.

I'd disagree there, but this isn't really the thread for it.

I do think, however, that someone who truly loves their country is willing to take it to task when it goes astray, and wants it to act in a way to improve the world in which it inhabits.

[Luminesa]

But we already know the problems without someone wasting an entire day making a list of them. Will that list prompt Ally to go out and to make her community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then she shouldn't waste her time.

Does being patriotic (almost blindly, even) make your community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be wasting your time.

What was that, mockingbird? Couldn't hear you over the sound of my being an awesome U.S. citizen.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Knowledge of the crimes of America would definitely help the nation to make steps.
Allyria, have you read "the America I have seen" by Sayyid Qutb? It deals with much of what you have talked about. I can send you a pdf if you wish, or just post it so everyone here can have a read.

I'd be interested in reading it.

Of my flipping country for being so awesome. I wake-up every morning to the smell of freedom and I thank God every morning for the place where I live.

Being powerful doesn't make a country "awesome". I love the idea of what America says it stands for but has consistently fails to uphold, or government is one of hypocrites.

Americans are ignorant of the sins of our government, and the practices in place that deliberately undermine the freedoms and rights of our people and those abroad.

Aillyria, if you want help with this project of yours, I'm willing.

[Albrenia]

Does being patriotic (almost blindly, even) make your community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be wasting your time.

What was that, mockingbird? Couldn't hear you over the sound of my being an awesome U.S. citizen.

Don't make me start sending Kangaroos to where you live. I only just chased off the last batch of eagles you brought here.

[Thermodolia]

Does being patriotic (almost blindly, even) make your community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be wasting your time.

What was that, mockingbird? Couldn't hear you over the sound of my being an awesome U.S. citizen.

Hahahaha oh damn.

Needs more eagle screechings

[Luminesa]

It actually does. Patriotism and Nationalism are vital to a Nation's well-being.

I'd disagree there, but this isn't really the thread for it.

I do think, however, that someone who truly loves their country is willing to take it to task when it goes astray, and wants it to act in a way to improve the world in which it inhabits.

^

And again, as a wise (and super-cool) man once said:

[Kubumba Tribe]

Does being patriotic (almost blindly, even) make your community a better place? If it does, go right ahead. If it doesn't, then you shouldn't be wasting your time.

What was that, mockingbird?

Mockingbird?

Couldn't hear you over the sound of my being an awesome U.S. citizen.

Is this what nationalism does to people?

[Luminesa]

Knowledge of the crimes of America would definitely help the nation to make steps.
Allyria, have you read "the America I have seen" by Sayyid Qutb? It deals with much of what you have talked about. I can send you a pdf if you wish, or just post it so everyone here can have a read.

I'd be interested in reading it.

Of my flipping country for being so awesome. I wake-up every morning to the smell of freedom and I thank God every morning for the place where I live.

Being powerful doesn't make a country "awesome". I love the idea of what America says it stands for but has consistently fails to uphold, or government is one of hypocrites.

Americans are ignorant of the sins of our government, and the practices in place that deliberately undermine the freedoms and rights of our people and those abroad.

Read my latest Teddy quote.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What was that, mockingbird? Couldn't hear you over the sound of my being an awesome U.S. citizen.

Don't make me start sending Kangaroos to where you live. I only just chased off the last batch of eagles you brought here.

You're from Australia? I lived there for a year a few yrs ago. It was awesome

[Albrenia]

Don't make me start sending Kangaroos to where you live. I only just chased off the last batch of eagles you brought here.

You're from Australia? I lived there for a year a few yrs ago. It was awesome

Indeed it is and I am, glad you enjoyed your time here.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I'd disagree there, but this isn't really the thread for it.

I do think, however, that someone who truly loves their country is willing to take it to task when it goes astray, and wants it to act in a way to improve the world in which it inhabits.

^

And again, as a wise (and super-cool) man once said:

That's what Aillyria's doing.