Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I love how some people actually believe they can talk down and act haughty regarding the analysis of US imperialism, especially since they're talking to a sister who literally risked her life in service to the US imperialist system in the past and has a direct inside perspective of it.

Sure, tell me more on how this straight from the source experience is somehow "tinfoil hat talk" that offends your delicate US-loving sensibilities...

>lectures others about talking down on people and acting all haughty
>does that exact same thing by lauding a former servicewomen over people

[Shikihara]

to a sister who literally risked her life in service to the US imperialist system in the past and has a direct inside perspective of it.

Being a soldier in the military does not give you a "direct inside perspective" of the US government. There are a number of far-right soldiers who believe that most of the world is controlled by a Zionist elite through the banks, but none of us are suddenly going to start taking them seriously and assert that they have a "direct perspective" on the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Pretantia is in the army, so trying to throw that card is not going to work.

tSure, tell me more on how this straight from the source experience is somehow "tinfoil hat talk" that offends your delicate US-loving sensibilities...

[The Empire of Pretantia]

None of these make them worse than Nazi Germany or even the Soviet Union.

Crosses the line from hate to irrational fear territory.

Ok, so doing the samethings as Nazis for a longer time and a more massive scale isn't more evil, ok sure.

If there US did the same thing as Nazis for a longer period of time we wouldn't have Japanese.

I love how some people actually believe they can talk down and act haughty regarding the analysis of US imperialism, especially since they're talking to a sister who literally risked her life in service to the US imperialist system in the past and has a direct inside perspective of it.

Sure, tell me more on how this straight from the source experience is somehow "tinfoil hat talk" that offends your delicate US-loving sensibilities...

Current soldier here, that doesn't fucking mean shit. Thank you for your service, but your veteran status is meaningless.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I mean, the US has done some pretty fucking horrible things (the coups in Iran, Panama, Mexico, Haiti, Honduras, Guatemala, etc. ; MKUltra; And supporting the Saudis, for instance), but I wouldn't compare the US to bloody Nazi Germany.

[Aillyria]

I mean, the US has done some pretty fucking horrible things (the coups in Iran, Panama, Mexico, Haiti, Honduras, Guatemala, etc. ; MKUltra; And supporting the Saudis, for instance), but I wouldn't compare the US to bloody Nazi Germany.

I wouldn't either, they're scales of magnitude worse. Directly killing people isn't the worse thing you can do.

Ok, so doing the samethings as Nazis for a longer time and a more massive scale isn't more evil, ok sure.

If there US did the same thing as Nazis for a longer period of time we wouldn't have Japanese.

I love how some people actually believe they can talk down and act haughty regarding the analysis of US imperialism, especially since they're talking to a sister who literally risked her life in service to the US imperialist system in the past and has a direct inside perspective of it.

Sure, tell me more on how this straight from the source experience is somehow "tinfoil hat talk" that offends your delicate US-loving sensibilities...

Current soldier here, that doesn't fucking mean shit. Thank you for your service, but your veteran status is meaningless.

The US has done plenty of genocide nonetheless, it's certainly no stranger to the practice. And thank you for telling me my status as a veteran (who's only been out for a month) is meaningless. Like it or not, but the government we serve/served and live under is satan on Earth.

[Luminesa]

I mean, the US has done some pretty fucking horrible things (the coups in Iran, Panama, Mexico, Haiti, Honduras, Guatemala, etc. ; MKUltra; And supporting the Saudis, for instance), but I wouldn't compare the US to bloody Nazi Germany.

I wouldn't either, they're scales of magnitude worse. Directly killing people isn't the worse thing you can do.

If there US did the same thing as Nazis for a longer period of time we wouldn't have Japanese.


Current soldier here, that doesn't fucking mean shit. Thank you for your service, but your veteran status is meaningless.

The US has done plenty of genocide nonetheless, it's certainly no stranger to the practice. And thank you for telling me my status as a veteran (who's only been out for a month) is meaningless. Like it or not, but the government we serve/served and live under is satan on Earth.

Geez Ally, you blackpilled flipping fast. The United States has not been trying to ethnically cleanse groups of people, which is specifically the definition of genocide. Like Rwanda, or Nazi Germany. I mean, the Native Americans’ Trail of Tears could count as a genocide, except the goal was not ethnic cleansing but the acquiring of land.

[Bhikkustan]

I wouldn't either, they're scales of magnitude worse. Directly killing people isn't the worse thing you can do.



The US has done plenty of genocide nonetheless, it's certainly no stranger to the practice. And thank you for telling me my status as a veteran (who's only been out for a month) is meaningless. Like it or not, but the government we serve/served and live under is satan on Earth.

Geez Ally, you blackpilled flipping fast. The United States has not been trying to ethnically cleanse groups of people, which is specifically the definition of genocide. Like Rwanda, or Nazi Germany. I mean, the Native Americans’ Trail of Tears could count as a genocide, except the goal was not ethnic cleansing but the acquiring of land.

"The only good Indian is a dead indian"
"The more Indians we kill today, the less we need to kill tomorrow"

[United Muscovite Nations]

I wouldn't either, they're scales of magnitude worse. Directly killing people isn't the worse thing you can do.



The US has done plenty of genocide nonetheless, it's certainly no stranger to the practice. And thank you for telling me my status as a veteran (who's only been out for a month) is meaningless. Like it or not, but the government we serve/served and live under is satan on Earth.

Geez Ally, you blackpilled flipping fast. The United States has not been trying to ethnically cleanse groups of people, which is specifically the definition of genocide. Like Rwanda, or Nazi Germany. I mean, the Native Americans’ Trail of Tears could count as a genocide, except the goal was not ethnic cleansing but the acquiring of land.

The goal of most genocides is the acquisition of land.

[Serpenteum]

i dunno. i guess i just always got a little dissuaded by the terrorists, rightist family and the look of the Mosque. i saw it several times, and it just LOOKED like they where plain brainwashed. a lot of recent events have made me and my family more secluded from Islam. I don't understand Judaism and i always felt God was just make-believe made up to make us feel safe in times of need. same can go for most religions. At the same time, however, i have had several truly lucky experiences that make me want to change my mind. My sister is Buddhist, most of the family is very Christian and me and my mom are atheists. i am that type of person, i will not believe in something fully until there is any reliable evidence that it is reality. with so many religions, i'm sure there aren't that many Gods. i just want to choose the belief that i can trust, and Islamic practices that seem unnecessary like fasting make me hesitate more. i just don't know.

[Aillyria]

I wouldn't either, they're scales of magnitude worse. Directly killing people isn't the worse thing you can do.



The US has done plenty of genocide nonetheless, it's certainly no stranger to the practice. And thank you for telling me my status as a veteran (who's only been out for a month) is meaningless. Like it or not, but the government we serve/served and live under is satan on Earth.

Geez Ally, you blackpilled flipping fast. The United States has not been trying to ethnically cleanse groups of people, which is specifically the definition of genocide. Like Rwanda, or Nazi Germany. I mean, the Native Americans’ Trail of Tears could count as a genocide, except the goal was not ethnic cleansing but the acquiring of land.

Blackpilled? I don't know what that means....

But the US perhaps isn't genocidal currently, but they were until very recently. And the actions of our government are anything but benevolent.

[Serpenteum]

Geez Ally, you blackpilled flipping fast. The United States has not been trying to ethnically cleanse groups of people, which is specifically the definition of genocide. Like Rwanda, or Nazi Germany. I mean, the Native Americans’ Trail of Tears could count as a genocide, except the goal was not ethnic cleansing but the acquiring of land.

Blackpilled? I don't know what that means....

But the US perhaps isn't genocidal currently, but they were until very recently. And the actions of our government are anything but benevolent.

our government is quite corrupt, and has been for some time. they where never exactly "genocidal" per se, but yes, they have made evil moves plenty of times. Genocidal would be Zedong's China, Nazi Germany, Stalin's regime, but the USA has despite doing stupid actions, never done something THAT bad. recently, i have been living a nice, peaceful life in a country i consider Democratic. I'm just glad we ain't in North Korea.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

i dunno. i guess i just always got a little dissuaded by the terrorists, rightist family and the look of the Mosque. i saw it several times, and it just LOOKED like they where plain brainwashed. a lot of recent events have made me and my family more secluded from Islam. I don't understand Judaism and i always felt God was just make-believe made up to make us feel safe in times of need. same can go for most religions. At the same time, however, i have had several truly lucky experiences that make me want to change my mind. My sister is Buddhist, most of the family is very Christian and me and my mom are atheists. i am that type of person, i will not believe in something fully until there is any reliable evidence that it is reality. with so many religions, i'm sure there aren't that many Gods. i just want to choose the belief that i can trust, and Islamic practices that seem unnecessary like fasting make me hesitate more. i just don't know.

I mean, I guess to non-Muslims, fasting does seem "unnecessary". I mean, it isn't like we'd die if we didn't fast. I enjoy the challenge of fasting as it helps me test my faith and you honestly feel extremely accomplished and pure once you succeed. It isn't just abstaining from food and drink. It's abstaining from worldly desires and impulses.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Blackpilled? I don't know what that means....

But the US perhaps isn't genocidal currently, but they were until very recently. And the actions of our government are anything but benevolent.

our government is quite corrupt, and has been for some time. they where never exactly "genocidal" per se, but yes, they have made evil moves plenty of times. Genocidal would be Zedong's China, Nazi Germany, Stalin's regime, but the USA has despite doing stupid actions, never done something THAT bad. recently, i have been living a nice, peaceful life in a country i consider Democratic. I'm just glad we ain't in North Korea.

Oh, we were plenty genocidal once upon a time. Most of Manifest Destiny was basically the American equivalent of Lebensraum.

[Germanic Templars]

The US has done plenty of genocide nonetheless, it's certainly no stranger to the practice. And thank you for telling me my status as a veteran (who's only been out for a month) is meaningless. Like it or not, but the government we serve/served and live under is satan on Earth.

The government may sign our pay checks, but in the end it isn't so much them that we serve. It is the country we serve, the people. Nothing else.

And yes, your status as a veteran is meaningless, more so if you use it as a crutch for self-justification.

[Proctopeo]

Sigh. Alright, with all this discussion of Nazi Germany and genocide, I absolutely must ask: does any degree of antisemitism shape any of your views on anything related to this discussion, be it America, the Holocaust, or something else?

We need to get this cleared up.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Geez Ally, you blackpilled flipping fast. The United States has not been trying to ethnically cleanse groups of people, which is specifically the definition of genocide. Like Rwanda, or Nazi Germany. I mean, the Native Americans’ Trail of Tears could count as a genocide, except the goal was not ethnic cleansing but the acquiring of land.

Blackpilled? I don't know what that means....

But the US perhaps isn't genocidal currently, but they were until very recently. And the actions of our government are anything but benevolent.

The Black Pill is like the Red Pill, only to the point that it believes the situation is totally hopeless, and that everything is doomed.

[Bhikkustan]

Sigh. Alright, with all this discussion of Nazi Germany and genocide, I absolutely must ask: does any degree of antisemitism shape any of your views on anything related to this discussion, be it America, the Holocaust, or something else?

We need to get this cleared up.

What does this have to do with anything? Is it the "Muslims hate jews" stereotype? Because nothing here had been related to that.

[Proctopeo]

Sigh. Alright, with all this discussion of Nazi Germany and genocide, I absolutely must ask: does any degree of antisemitism shape any of your views on anything related to this discussion, be it America, the Holocaust, or something else?

We need to get this cleared up.

What does this have to do with anything? Is it the "Muslims hate jews" stereotype? Because nothing here had been related to that.

If you actually read my very short post, it's because of the discussion of Nazi Germany and the apparent claims that America has been worse, prompting the question.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Sigh. Alright, with all this discussion of Nazi Germany and genocide, I absolutely must ask: does any degree of antisemitism shape any of your views on anything related to this discussion, be it America, the Holocaust, or something else?

We need to get this cleared up.

What do you mean? The Holocaust was absolutely abhorrent. What happened to the Jewish people (and all those others who were slaughtered) was an absolutely despicable thing. When I was young, down in Miami, I had a Jewish best friend by the name of Gil. I ate dinner with his family often and he did the same with mine. What does me disapproving of America have to do with antisemitism?

[Proctopeo]

Sigh. Alright, with all this discussion of Nazi Germany and genocide, I absolutely must ask: does any degree of antisemitism shape any of your views on anything related to this discussion, be it America, the Holocaust, or something else?

We need to get this cleared up.

What do you mean? The Holocaust was absolutely abhorrent. What happened to the Jewish people (and all those others who were slaughtered) was an absolutely despicable thing. When I was young, down in Miami, I had a Jewish best friend by the name of Gil. I ate dinner with his family often and he did the same with mine. What does me disapproving of America have to do with antisemitism?

Good.
Once again, the relation has to do with the first section of the actual sentence.

[Serpenteum]

Sigh. Alright, with all this discussion of Nazi Germany and genocide, I absolutely must ask: does any degree of antisemitism shape any of your views on anything related to this discussion, be it America, the Holocaust, or something else?

We need to get this cleared up.

What does this have to do with anything? Is it the "Muslims hate jews" stereotype? Because nothing here had been related to that.

i don't think it's related either, but there are a lot of Islamic people i meet that are pissed about the situation in Israel. hell, 2 of my 5 Islam Acquaintances deny the Holocaust. maybe i just met the wrong people.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

What do you mean? The Holocaust was absolutely abhorrent. What happened to the Jewish people (and all those others who were slaughtered) was an absolutely despicable thing. When I was young, down in Miami, I had a Jewish best friend by the name of Gil. I ate dinner with his family often and he did the same with mine. What does me disapproving of America have to do with antisemitism?

Good.
Once again, the relation has to do with the first section of the actual sentence.

I mean, I also said Nazi Germany was incomparably worse than the US.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

What does this have to do with anything? Is it the "Muslims hate jews" stereotype? Because nothing here had been related to that.

i don't think it's related either, but there are a lot of Islamic people i meet that are pissed about the situation in Israel. hell, 2 of my 5 Islam Acquaintances deny the Holocaust. maybe i just met the wrong people.

Probably. I despise Israel, mainly its government. I don't despise the Israeli people or Jews in general.

[Bhikkustan]

What does this have to do with anything? Is it the "Muslims hate jews" stereotype? Because nothing here had been related to that.

If you actually read my very short post, it's because of the discussion of Nazi Germany and the apparent claims that America has been worse, prompting the question.

And Noone has mentioned jews in anything of a disparaging light. If you had read the conversation, you would see this.

[Aillyria]

Blackpilled? I don't know what that means....

But the US perhaps isn't genocidal currently, but they were until very recently. And the actions of our government are anything but benevolent.

The Black Pill is like the Red Pill, only to the point that it believes the situation is totally hopeless, and that everything is doomed.

I wouldn't say I believe things are hopeless, if that were the case, I'd be an atheist. Though, I do find our current world to be in terrible moral shape.

i don't think it's related either, but there are a lot of Islamic people i meet that are pissed about the situation in Israel. hell, 2 of my 5 Islam Acquaintances deny the Holocaust. maybe i just met the wrong people.

Probably. I despise Israel, mainly its government. I don't despise the Israeli people or Jews in general.

On the whole, supporting Nazis over America thing.....I'd say personally no. Being that my own grandmother was in a concentration camp during WW2, I have no love for Nazis or their modern copycats.

On Isreal, I've never been a fan of the israeli state, even before I converted to Islam....so my distaste for Israel predates Islam's influence on my views. That being said, having actually been to Israel myself, their people are wonderful and generous.