Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[The Empire of Pretantia]

al Zarqawi's group already existed in Iraq prior to the U.S invasion of 2003.They had a base in Iraqi Kurdistan in alliance with a local Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al Islam. So Assad cannot be blamed for that. You are correct however that Syria was a transit route for foriegn Jihadists terrorists to Iraq once the insurgency was well under way. This did not last throughout the whole of the conflict however and the foriegn Jihadists terrorists had other routes of entry.

The consequences of the U.S invasion and occupation was what allowed for the establishment of al Qaeda networks in Iraq, who played an important role in triggering the insurgency and sectarian war in the 2000s, as well as the introduction of much of the brutality of the conflict that has since been replicated by al Qaeda Jihadists terrorists around the world. Iraq really was a big mistake in terms of countering terrorism.

Replace 'jihadists' with 'terrorists' please.

Not really much reason to.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Replace 'jihadists' with 'terrorists' please.

Not really much reason to.

For anti-Islam/Muslim people maybe. But there is a YUUUGE difference between jihad and terrorism.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not really much reason to.

For anti-Islam/Muslim people maybe. But there is a YUUUGE difference between jihad and terrorism.

Not when those committing Jihad are committing terrorism.

When we have an Islamic State fighting for the defense and expansion of Islam without terrorism, then I'll make a distinction.

[Kubumba Tribe]

For anti-Islam/Muslim people maybe. But there is a YUUUGE difference between jihad and terrorism.

Not when those consisting Jihad are committing terrorism.

When we have an Islamic State fighting for the defense and expansion of Islam without terrorism, then I'll make a distinction.

Do you even know what jihad is?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not when those consisting Jihad are committing terrorism.

When we have an Islamic State fighting for the defense and expansion of Islam without terrorism, then I'll make a distinction.

Do you even know what jihad is?

There's more than one meaning.

In this context it is a holy war to defend Islam.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Do you even know what jihad is?

There's more than one meaning.

In this context it is a holy war to defend Islam.

Good, you can differentiate between jihad and terrorism. Or, you know a part of the definition of jihad.
So as I said before, jihad and terrorism aren't interchangeable.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

There's more than one meaning.

In this context it is a holy war to defend Islam.

Good, you can differentiate between jihad and terrorism. Or, you know a part of the definition of jihad.
So as I said before, jihad and terrorism aren't interchangeable.

Except they are in this context.

[Yanitza]

There's more than one meaning.

In this context it is a holy war to defend Islam.

Good, you can differentiate between jihad and terrorism. Or, you know a part of the definition of jihad.
So as I said before, jihad and terrorism aren't interchangeable.

Well I mean Jihad is to struggle, including military struggle. From the view of these terrorists and those that accept al Qaederite ideology they would certainly see themselves as waging Jihad. Of course you will say this is not Jihad and al Qaeda has twisted the term to which there are many, including former al Qaeda leaders that will agree.

Still I think I used the phrase al Qaeda Jihadist in my original comment.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Good, you can differentiate between jihad and terrorism. Or, you know a part of the definition of jihad.
So as I said before, jihad and terrorism aren't interchangeable.

Well I mean Jihad is to struggle, including military struggle. From the view of these terrorists and those that accept al Qaederite ideology they would certainly see themselves as waging Jihad. Of course you will say this is not Jihad and al Qaeda has twisted the term to which there are many, including former al Qaeda leaders that will agree.

Still I think I used the phrase al Qaeda Jihadist in my original comment.

You did use al-Qaeda jihadist, and that is wrong.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Well I mean Jihad is to struggle, including military struggle. From the view of these terrorists and those that accept al Qaederite ideology they would certainly see themselves as waging Jihad. Of course you will say this is not Jihad and al Qaeda has twisted the term to which there are many, including former al Qaeda leaders that will agree.

Still I think I used the phrase al Qaeda Jihadist in my original comment.

You did use al-Qaeda jihadist, and that is wrong.

Not really.

[Yanitza]

Well I mean Jihad is to struggle, including military struggle. From the view of these terrorists and those that accept al Qaederite ideology they would certainly see themselves as waging Jihad. Of course you will say this is not Jihad and al Qaeda has twisted the term to which there are many, including former al Qaeda leaders that will agree.

Still I think I used the phrase al Qaeda Jihadist in my original comment.

You did use al-Qaeda jihadist, and that is wrong.

Al Qaeda undoubtedly see themselves as fighting Jihad.

[Kubumba Tribe]

You did use al-Qaeda jihadist, and that is wrong.

Not really.

Terrorism =/= jihad

[Kubumba Tribe]

You did use al-Qaeda jihadist, and that is wrong.

Al Qaeda undoubtedly see themselves as fighting Jihad.

So?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not really.

Terrorism =/= jihad

Besides the pedantic ignorance of the state of the world, Al-Qaeda is an organization dedicated to the spreading and defense of Islam, and thus are committing Jihad.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Al Qaeda undoubtedly see themselves as fighting Jihad.

So?

It makes them jihadists.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Terrorism =/= jihad

Besides the pedantic ignorance of the state of the world, Al-Qaeda is an organization dedicated to the spreading and defense of Islam, and thus are committing Jihad.

I take that back, you don't know the difference between jihad and terrorism

So?

It makes them jihadists.

Terrorists: Itz jihad cuh we sayz so
People like you: ok
Muslims:

[Kubumba Tribe]

Since y'all can't differentiate between jihad and terrorism, I'll do it for you:
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Besides the pedantic ignorance of the state of the world, Al-Qaeda is an organization dedicated to the spreading and defense of Islam, and thus are committing Jihad.

I take that back, you don't know the difference between jihad and terrorism

No idea where I'm getting it mixed up. It's possible to be both a Jihadi and a terrorist.

It makes them jihadists.

Terrorists: Itz jihad cuh we sayz so
People like you: ok
Muslims:

Having a fragmented religion sure sucks, doesn't it?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Since y'all can't differentiate between jihad and terrorism, I'll do it for you:
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9

I literally said there is more than one meaning for Jihad.

[Alsheb]

You're blaming Assad now for the Salafists you guys let into Iraq?

Assad let them into Iraq. What makes you think he wouldn't support terrorists that'd come back to nip him in the future? Why did his dad support the PKK?

No, he didn't. Hafez al-Assad likely supported the PKK as a counterweight against Turkish imperialist ambitions in the region. That still bears absolutely no relation to any support to Al Qaeda.

The idea that Syria ever supported Al Qaeda against post-2003 Iraq is laughable. Relations between Iraq and Syria have in fact been excellent ever since the fall of Saddam.

[Conserative Morality]

The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not religious wars and were not pursued with an eye to killing Muslims.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... bush.shtml

"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan."- George W. Bush

"Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressr ... bush.shtml

"I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan."- George W. Bush

"Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East." And by God I'm gonna do it.'"

Abu Mazen was at the same meeting and recounts how President Bush told him: "I have a moral and religious obligation. So I will get you a Palestinian state."

How does that counter anything?

[Conserative Morality]

No, he didn't. Hafez al-Assad likely supported the PKK as a counterweight against Turkish imperialist ambitions in the region. That still bears absolutely no relation to any support to Al Qaeda.

The idea that Syria ever supported Al Qaeda against post-2003 Iraq is laughable. Relations between Iraq and Syria have in fact been excellent ever since the fall of Saddam.

Assad *did*, however, support Islamist terrorists in Iraq who were not Al-Qaeda so it seems more probable that his refusal to cooperate with him is more because Al-Qaeda hates his guts for not being orthodox enough.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Having a fragmented religion sure sucks, doesn't it?

Al-Islam isn't fragmented, Muslims are

Since y'all can't differentiate between jihad and terrorism, I'll do it for you:
http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/unders ... ml?start=9

I literally said there is more than one meaning for Jihad.

Terrorism ain't one of them

[Conserative Morality]

How does that counter anything?

"God tells me to fight terrorists and get a Muslim majority nation their independent state." /=/ "This war is to kill Muslims."