Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[New haven america]

Try living amongst white Europeans, especially when trying to raise a multicultural family and being a Muslim revert.

I don't know any Roma or Sinti personally, but them being "scheming beggars" is not exactly a convincing argument. Beggars are usually victims, I don't see much reason to hate them for it.

I despise beggars, they reek of defeat and laziness.

Quick question, how do you feel about the US' staggering homeless Vet. population?

Cause most of them, despite having served the US for many years, are reduced to having to beg and live off others, because the country they chose to serve has decided to screw them over.

[Aillyria]

I despise beggars, they reek of defeat and laziness. No gypsy I've ever met was up to any good, always trying to trick you into buying something from them or groveling for spare change. It's sickening, pathetic, and irritating. At least the common white people try to make an honest living for themselves.

Lol what. I can assure you that most beggars in Europe are white Europeans.

And no, they are not "lazy". They are the victims of an inhumane system of exploitation, competition and complete disregard for human life, known as capitalism.

I find your lack of compassion, a core value in Islam, very disturbing.

I doubt you'd find them to be "victims" if you'd met a few of them. Try encountering alot of them over years being overseas. They're the same in every country they're in....exactly the same....begging tricksters.

I have alot of compassion, actually, but it isn't infinite. I you rub me the wrong way one too many times and I can get frosty real fuckin quick, and the gypsies used up all their chances with me.

What? I'm lost.

Just making jokes about how you've been infected with the infamous Euro hatred of Romani.

Til you've been around them you won't understand, their reputation is well deserved. Trust that.

[Conserative Morality]

Til you've been around them you won't understand, their reputation is well deserved. Trust that.

Met a few here in the States. A bit insistent for my American tastes but I expect that from traditional mercantile Old World cultures.

[Aillyria]

I despise beggars, they reek of defeat and laziness.

Quick question, how do you feel about the US' staggering homeless Vet. population?

Cause most of them, despite having served the US for many years, are reduced to having to beg and live off others, because the country they chose to serve has decided to screw them over.

Very different situation, that is. The Vets, especially ones who were medically discharged, are unfortunately left hanging by our "beloved" government? The gypsies have no excuses, living in liberal welfare bleeding heart euro nations.

[Conserative Morality]

Very different situation, that is. The Vets, especially ones who were medically discharged, are unfortunately left hanging by our "beloved" government? The gypsies have no excuses, living in liberal welfare bleeding heart euro nations.

You'd be surprised at how effective bureaucracy is at filtering out the unofficially 'wrong' kind of people.

[Aillyria]

Very different situation, that is. The Vets, especially ones who were medically discharged, are unfortunately left hanging by our "beloved" government? The gypsies have no excuses, living in liberal welfare bleeding heart euro nations.

You'd be surprised at how effective bureaucracy is at filtering out the unofficially 'wrong' kind of people.

Hmm, yet other minorities in Europe seem to be making ends meet. Or at least attempting to.

[Alsheb]

I despise beggars, they reek of defeat and laziness.

Quick question, how do you feel about the US' staggering homeless Vet. population?

Cause most of them, despite having served the US for many years, are reduced to having to beg and live off others, because the country they chose to serve has decided to screw them over.

I am going to probably fan the flames here by saying this, but US veterans will actually get far less understanding from me than anyone else.

They chose to join an imperialist mass murdering machine and killed God knows how many people in whatever Third World country their masters sent them to oppress.

It might sound harsh, but their fate upon coming home might be imminent justice.

[Conserative Morality]

Hmm, yet other minorities in Europe seem to be making ends meet. Or at least attempting to.

Other minorities in Euroland tend to have established sedentary communities to rely on. Bretons, Frisians, Sardinians... Romani are in a position more like the Jews in the pre-modern age, only without the benefit of having a lifestyle compatible with urban life.

[Alsheb]

You'd be surprised at how effective bureaucracy is at filtering out the unofficially 'wrong' kind of people.

Hmm, yet other minorities in Europe seem to be making ends meet. Or at least attempting to.

Nope, not really. Moroccans, Turks, even Italians over here all suffer the same trouble as Roma and Sinti do. Not to mention like I said before that most homeless and destitute people reduced to begging in Europe are white Europeans.

[Bhikkustan]

Lol what. I can assure you that most beggars in Europe are white Europeans.

And no, they are not "lazy". They are the victims of an inhumane system of exploitation, competition and complete disregard for human life, known as capitalism.

I find your lack of compassion, a core value in Islam, very disturbing.

I doubt you'd find them to be "victims" if you'd met a few of them. Try encountering alot of them over years being overseas. They're the same in every country they're in....exactly the same....begging tricksters.

I have alot of compassion, actually, but it isn't infinite. I you rub me the wrong way one too many times and I can get frosty real fuckin quick, and the gypsies used up all their chances with me.

Just making jokes about how you've been infected with the infamous Euro hatred of Romani.

Til you've been around them you won't understand, their reputation is well deserved. Trust that.

Don't hate on the Romani beggars, sister. They are excellent accordion players. Plus their historical grievances and current situation, as Alsheb stated, make them worthy of our zakat and not scorn.

[Conserative Morality]

I am going to probably fan the flames here by saying this, but US veterans will actually get far less understanding from me than anyone else.

They chose to join an imperialist mass murdering machine and killed God knows how many people in whatever Third World country their masters sent them to oppress.

It might sound harsh, but their fate upon coming home might be imminent justice.

The price paid for doing the right thing is to be hated for it by the short-sighted and suffering. That should not stop us from doing what is right.

[Alsheb]

As for them being "scheming" or "groveling" beggars: I wonder how any of us would be if reduced to destitution, absolute poverty and total hopelessness.

I can tell you I'd probably be one hell of a trickster if in such a situation. A beggar cannot afford to take into account the delicate sensibilities of the bourgeois citizen.

[New haven america]

Quick question, how do you feel about the US' staggering homeless Vet. population?

Cause most of them, despite having served the US for many years, are reduced to having to beg and live off others, because the country they chose to serve has decided to screw them over.

I am going to probably fan the flames here by saying this, but US veterans will actually get far less understanding from me than anyone else.

They chose to join an imperialist mass murdering machine and killed God knows how many people in whatever Third World country their masters sent them to oppress.

It might sound harsh, but their fate upon coming home might be imminent justice.

US hasn't invaded and oppressed any third world countries in about 25-30 years or so.

Unless you think they decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq to oppress them, because in that case I recommend you read a history book.

[Bakery Hill]

Not to mention the abundance of Muslims killed hy Americans and their allies in the Third World since 2001. What many non-Muslims fail to see is that a Muslim's perspective does not generally stop at the national border.

When I say Islam is under attack, I don't just mean the rise of islamophobia in Belgium or even in Europe. I also mean the utter mass murders in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen, Kashmir and Myanmar.

That's less relevant. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were not religious wars and were not pursued with an eye to killing Muslims. Might as well say the Catholic world should've been upset at mostly-protestant Germany in WW1 for killing the French, who were overwhelmingly Catholic.

Apples and Oranges. WW1 was basiccally a war between two Catholic nations, two Protestant Nations and an Eastern Orthodox nation against one Protestant nation, a Catholic nation and a Sunni Muslim Nation. It's hard to construct a narrative out of that.

[Conserative Morality]

Daily reminder that we had been asked for help by the Northern Alliance for YEARS before going into Afghanistan.

[Conserative Morality]

Apples and Oranges. WW1 was basiccally a war between two Catholic nations, two Protestant Nations and an Eastern Orthodox nation against one Protestant nation, a Catholic nation and a Sunni Muslim Nation. It's hard to construct a narrative out of that.

And America is currently a multireligious society with a history of interfering in everything from Buddhist to Catholic to Orthodox nations, involved in two major wars in Muslim majority countries, both currently with the permission of the governing Muslim-majority authorities, and both with allies from Muslim majority countries.

[Bakery Hill]

Apples and Oranges. WW1 was basiccally a war between two Catholic nations, two Protestant Nations and an Eastern Orthodox nation against one Protestant nation, a Catholic nation and a Sunni Muslim Nation. It's hard to construct a narrative out of that.

And America is currently a multireligious society with a history of interfering in everything from Buddhist to Catholic to Orthodox nations, involved in two major wars in Muslim majority countries, both currently with the permission of the governing Muslim-majority authorities, and both with allies from Muslim majority countries.

It's a largely Christian nation, in its institutions and population. It's currently conducting two major wars in Muslim majority countries and hostile operations across many many more. The authorities it cooperates with are seen as Quislings by Islamists and non-Islamists alike. Very easy to construct a "new crusades" narrative out of that. Millions have done so already, including Muslims abroad and significant numbers of alt-right types at home and through the West.

[Conserative Morality]

It's a largely Christian nation, in its institutions and population. It's currently conducting two major wars in Muslim majority countries and hostile operations across many many more. The authorities it cooperates with are seen as Quislings by Islamists and non-Islamists alike. Very easy to construct a "new crusades" narrative out of that. Millions have done so already, including Muslims abroad and significant numbers of alt-right types at home and through the West.

Tell me more about how Saudi Arabia is a quisling for Christian American interests.

[Bakery Hill]

It's a largely Christian nation, in its institutions and population. It's currently conducting two major wars in Muslim majority countries and hostile operations across many many more. The authorities it cooperates with are seen as Quislings by Islamists and non-Islamists alike. Very easy to construct a "new crusades" narrative out of that. Millions have done so already, including Muslims abroad and significant numbers of alt-right types at home and through the West.

Tell me more about how Saudi Arabia is a quisling for Christian American interests.

Whether they are or aren't isn't really relevant.

[Conserative Morality]

Whether they are or aren't isn't really relevant.

You can make a narrative out of goddamn anything. One war with the Japanese and Russia had a whole mythology set up with them as the defenders of the WHITE RACE against the YELLOW HORDES. Pre-existing ideologies and perceptions latch on to current events to justify their own beliefs regardless of how far they have to reach to reconstruct these narratives as coherent in the real world.

[Bakery Hill]

Whether they are or aren't isn't really relevant.

You can make a narrative out of goddamn anything. One war with the Japanese and Russia had a whole mythology set up with them as the defenders of the WHITE RACE against the YELLOW HORDES. Pre-existing ideologies and perceptions latch on to current events to justify their own beliefs regardless of how far they have to reach to reconstruct these narratives as coherent in the real world.

Yes, but the new crusades narrative is very much more coherent and easy to swallow then the parallel you made. Which is why it needs a better narrative to combat it.

[Aillyria]

Quick question, how do you feel about the US' staggering homeless Vet. population?

Cause most of them, despite having served the US for many years, are reduced to having to beg and live off others, because the country they chose to serve has decided to screw them over.

I am going to probably fan the flames here by saying this, but US veterans will actually get far less understanding from me than anyone else.

They chose to join an imperialist mass murdering machine and killed God knows how many people in whatever Third World country their masters sent them to oppress.

It might sound harsh, but their fate upon coming home might be imminent justice.

I will say this, as someone who just recently left the US military. I can agree with your opinion to an extent. The funny thing was that coming into the military I was a nationalist, and I am now not. Being part of the government's plots, you see their methods and their scheming. The miltary is dirty, you feel dirty being in it if you have a conscience, you learn to love your fellow sailor, but not the organization or the government that's pulling the puppet strings.

I thank the Navy for my experiences though, for without them I wouldn't be muslim today. All my time in the Gulf being immersed in muslim culture and people, I felt at home, spiritually speaking for the first time in my life.

I am also glad that I could help rid God's (swt) Earth of hundreds upon hundreds of Daesh kafir over the years I served, that is the one thing I don't regret.

[Conserative Morality]

Yes, but the new crusades narrative is very much more coherent and easy to swallow then the parallel you made. Which is why it needs a better narrative to combat it.

There is one: America is part of a global hegemonic system interested primarily in maintaining stability to maximize security and profits. But that's not as fun as "New Crusades", so people look elsewhere.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Daily reminder that we had been asked for help by the Northern Alliance for YEARS before going into Afghanistan.

Those YEARS might not come back to haunt them.

[Aillyria]

Yes, but the new crusades narrative is very much more coherent and easy to swallow then the parallel you made. Which is why it needs a better narrative to combat it.

There is one: America is part of a global hegemonic system interested primarily in maintaining stability to maximize security and profits. But that's not as fun as "New Crusades", so people look elsewhere.

Yes, the "New Crusade" lead by the satanists in the US oligarchy. I do feel spritually sullied from being part of that system directly. The Navy was the most morally filthy places I've ever worked. Modern sailors are pretty trashy people. The powers that be are succeeding in destroying the morality of mankind, and priming their souls for Iblis to consume.