Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

There are no 'sides' in Islam- there is only Islam

Should you have forgotten that hadith, I will remind you.
Imām al-Barbahārī (V died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (H) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”

There are sides everywhere, especially in Islam. Either you choose the right path or the path of the deviant eclectic sectarians, or the goddamn "moderates". Tertium non datur.

It's narrated in several Hadiths in Bukhari, Muslim, and Muwatta. It even says in the Quran Allah will purfiy the Muslims from the Murtadeen, Sahwat, and Munafiqeen.

[Free Rhenish States II]

Should you have forgotten that hadith, I will remind you.
Imām al-Barbahārī (V died 329 AH) stated: “Know that Allah’s Messenger (H) said: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.”

There are sides everywhere, especially in Islam. Either you choose the right path or the path of the deviant eclectic sectarians, or the goddamn "moderates". Tertium non datur.

It's narrated in several Hadiths in Bukhari, Muslim, and Muwatta. It even says in the Quran Allah will purfiy the Muslims from the Murtadeen, Sahwat, and Munafiqeen.

There's no convincing me needed, brother. I already know that and I believe in that.
Most of the others here don't, however.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

It's narrated in several Hadiths in Bukhari, Muslim, and Muwatta. It even says in the Quran Allah will purfiy the Muslims from the Murtadeen, Sahwat, and Munafiqeen.

There's no convincing me needed, brother. I already know that and I believe in that.
Most of the others here don't, however.

I'm aware of the Jahiliyyah here subhanallah, this only proves Islam Alhamdulillah the Prophet (SAAWS) said there would come a time like this.

[Free Rhenish States II]

There's no convincing me needed, brother. I already know that and I believe in that.
Most of the others here don't, however.

I'm aware of the Jahiliyyah here subhanallah, this only proves Islam Alhamdulillah the Prophet (SAAWS) said there would come a time like this.

Glad to see you here. The jahils here are tiresome to deal with alone.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

I'm aware of the Jahiliyyah here subhanallah, this only proves Islam Alhamdulillah the Prophet (SAAWS) said there would come a time like this.

Glad to see you here. The jahils here are tiresome to deal with alone.

yh they are believing in Communism and all sorts of other unIslamic ideologies I don't see what's so hard about accepting Islam alone, if you can't take Islam as it is then why bother being Muslim?

[Free Rhenish States II]

Glad to see you here. The jahils here are tiresome to deal with alone.

yh they are believing in Communism and all sorts of other unIslamic ideologies I don't see what's so hard about accepting Islam alone, if you can't take Islam as it is then why bother being Muslim?

If you`re referring to Alsheb, then I doubt his conversion was even genuine. He mentioned having an Indonesian girlfriend and marrying her, so I think he just converted in order to get laid tbh. And she probably was "progressive" so that influenced him, or he was "progressive" enough to influence her. Be that as it may, that is what I think.
But yeah, I asked a Qadianite (Ahmadiyya) here the same question, why claim to be Muslims if you're not even following the Prophet (saw)? They don't even answer, and it couldn't be otherwise. They don't have an answer.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

yh they are believing in Communism and all sorts of other unIslamic ideologies I don't see what's so hard about accepting Islam alone, if you can't take Islam as it is then why bother being Muslim?

If you`re referring to Alsheb, then I doubt his conversion was even genuine. He mentioned having an Indonesian girlfriend and marrying her, so I think he just converted in order to get laid tbh, and she probably was "progressive" so that influenced him.
But yeah, I asked a Qadianite (Ahmadiyya) here the same question, why claim to be Muslims if you're not even following the Prophet (saw)?

The Qadiani was quite liberal himself the first post I saw from him Wallahi was "What is the most Liberal translation of the Quran" Nadhubillah he wanted an altered Quran because Sahih international wasn't Liberal enough, the version that has been carefully preserved by the best scholars of Islam in our times who took care and fear of Allah in their translation. Alsheb all the time claims that the Hadiths are altered and not genuine yet it was the same people who preserved the Quran who preserved the Hadiths. Allah knows best on what was in his heart and though his weakness in Taqwa and Iman is clear let's not back-bite or assume.

[Free Rhenish States II]

If you`re referring to Alsheb, then I doubt his conversion was even genuine. He mentioned having an Indonesian girlfriend and marrying her, so I think he just converted in order to get laid tbh, and she probably was "progressive" so that influenced him.
But yeah, I asked a Qadianite (Ahmadiyya) here the same question, why claim to be Muslims if you're not even following the Prophet (saw)?

The Qadiani was quite liberal himself the first post I saw from him Wallahi was "What is the most Liberal translation of the Quran" Nadhubillah he wanted an altered Quran because Sahih international wasn't Liberal enough, the version that has been carefully preserved by the best scholars of Islam in our times who took care and fear of Allah in their translation.

Of course, the Qadianite, like many Muslims nowadays, is a human of desires. They choose what they like and not what is the truth.

Alsheb all the time claims that the Hadiths are altered and not genuine yet it was the same people who preserved the Quran who preserved the Hadiths. Allah knows best on what was in his heart and though his weakness in Taqwa and Iman is clear let's not back-bite or assume.

You don't know how I love these people. I always ask them the same question - "How did you learn to pray?"
They never answer.
haha
Always cracks me up

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

The Qadiani was quite liberal himself the first post I saw from him Wallahi was "What is the most Liberal translation of the Quran" Nadhubillah he wanted an altered Quran because Sahih international wasn't Liberal enough, the version that has been carefully preserved by the best scholars of Islam in our times who took care and fear of Allah in their translation.

Of course, the Qadianite, like many Muslims nowadays, is a human of desires. They choose what they like and not what is the truth.

You don't know how I love these people. I always ask them the same question - "How did you learn to pray?"
They never answer.
haha
Always cracks me up

I saw a Quranist prayer tutorial on YouTube it was quite sad it looked extremely made up, the best one is when you show them the numerous verses of the Quran saying 'Obey Allah and his messenger' we had a messenger for a reason, a majority of the Muslim world isn't Quranist they are Sunnis never would Allah allow for such a large amount of people to be this misguided like Quranists claim.

[Free Rhenish States II]

Of course, the Qadianite, like many Muslims nowadays, is a human of desires. They choose what they like and not what is the truth.

You don't know how I love these people. I always ask them the same question - "How did you learn to pray?"
They never answer.
haha
Always cracks me up

I saw a Quranist prayer tutorial on YouTube it was quite sad it looked extremely made up, the best one is when you show them the numerous verses of the Quran saying 'Obey Allah and his messenger' we had a messenger for a reason, a majority of the Muslim world isn't Quranist they are Sunnis never would Allah allow for such a large amount of people to be this misguided like Quranists claim.

Obviously people don't listen to obvious lies like these, even children wouldn't buy it.
You know, I read a Russian-speaking Salafi forum once (I happen to like them while not being a Salafi myself), they said there was an international Muslim conference somewhere in the 1950s, they said the Qadianites are a dangerous sect who aren't Muslims and should be treated as kaffirs. Do you know anything about this?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

I saw a Quranist prayer tutorial on YouTube it was quite sad it looked extremely made up, the best one is when you show them the numerous verses of the Quran saying 'Obey Allah and his messenger' we had a messenger for a reason, a majority of the Muslim world isn't Quranist they are Sunnis never would Allah allow for such a large amount of people to be this misguided like Quranists claim.

Obviously people don't listen to obvious lies like these, even children wouldn't buy it.
You know, I read a Russian-speaking Salafi forum once (I happen to like them while not being a Salafi myself), they said there was an international Muslim conference somewhere in the 1950s, they said the Qadianites are a dangerous sect who aren't Muslims and should be treated as kaffirs. Do you know anything about this?

Not specifically no, but I've heard various things about them since their foundation along with the Barelwis.

[Free Rhenish States II]

Obviously people don't listen to obvious lies like these, even children wouldn't buy it.
You know, I read a Russian-speaking Salafi forum once (I happen to like them while not being a Salafi myself), they said there was an international Muslim conference somewhere in the 1950s, they said the Qadianites are a dangerous sect who aren't Muslims and should be treated as kaffirs. Do you know anything about this?

Not specifically no, but I've heard various things about them since their foundation along with the Barelwis.

I did, as well. Their loony "prophet" told them to obey Britain and outlawed Jihad. He might have as well been likely funded by the Brits to create his sect, their main headquarters are in London, after all.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Not specifically no, but I've heard various things about them since their foundation along with the Barelwis.

I did, as well. Their loony "prophet" told them to obey Britain and outlawed Jihad. He might have as well been likely funded by the Brits to create his sect, their main headquarters are in London, after all.

Not to mention he was very self-centered building a cult around himself something Islam condemns, when Umar Ibn Khattab (RA) fed the poor woman his servant insisted he carried the grains and other food but Umar (RA) didn't allow him he cooked for the woman he carried the food and fed her children this is what Islam teaches not building cults and altering this beautiful religion.

[Free Rhenish States II]

I did, as well. Their loony "prophet" told them to obey Britain and outlawed Jihad. He might have as well been likely funded by the Brits to create his sect, their main headquarters are in London, after all.

Not to mention he was very self-centered building a cult around himself something Islam condemns, when Umar Ibn Khattab (RA) fed the poor woman his servant insisted he carried the grains and other food but Umar (RA) didn't allow him he cooked for the woman he carried the food and fed her children this is what Islam teaches not building cults and altering this beautiful religion.

Indeed, the fact the he proclaimed himself a prophet already says a lot about the sordid interests of this selfish man. The primary question is, why do his adepts fail to see this? Because it wasn't important as his "teachings" suited them?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Not to mention he was very self-centered building a cult around himself something Islam condemns, when Umar Ibn Khattab (RA) fed the poor woman his servant insisted he carried the grains and other food but Umar (RA) didn't allow him he cooked for the woman he carried the food and fed her children this is what Islam teaches not building cults and altering this beautiful religion.

Indeed, the fact the he proclaimed himself a prophet already says a lot about the sordid interests of this selfish man. The primary question is, why do his adepts fail to see this? Because it wasn't important because his "teachins" sutied them?

he wanted money power typical stuff Dunya before Deen.

[Free Rhenish States II]

Indeed, the fact the he proclaimed himself a prophet already says a lot about the sordid interests of this selfish man. The primary question is, why do his adepts fail to see this? Because it wasn't important because his "teachins" sutied them?

he wanted money power typical stuff Dunya before Deen.

I know, a typical hypocrite who sold himself to the unbelievers. We've got a term for this now - Hiwicrats (or Hiwis) -

From German Hilfswilliger (literally a person thatr wants to help, the Soviet collaborations were called so during the WWII) and democrat (an allegory at democracy, because that's the only regime they can live under as they reject the Sharia law and be tolerated). A hiwi believes serving the unbelievers (especially the West) to be the point of live, however, they are not giving up Islam and sincerely believe that they serve God by somehow mixing up dunya and deen, but as they labor under the delusion further, they completely lose their sense and turn kaffirs. A hiwi values the lives of unbelievers more than Muslims and would protect them at all costs, even at their life's expense. Hiwicracy is an ideology of a vassal Islam.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

he wanted money power typical stuff Dunya before Deen.

I know, a typical hypocrite who sold himself to the unbelievers. We've got a term for this now - Hiwicrats (or Hiwis) -

From German Hilfswilliger (literally a person thatr wants to help, the Soviet collaborations were called so during the WWII) and democrat (an allegory at democracy, because that's the only regime they can live under as they reject the Sharia law and be tolerated). A hiwi believes serving the unbelievers (especially the West) to be the point of live, however, they are not giving up Islam and sincerely believe that they serve God by somehow mixing up dunya and deen, but as they labor under the delusion further, they completely lose their sense and turn kaffirs. A hiwi values the lives of unbelievers more than Muslims and would protect them at all costs, even at their life's expense. Hiwicracy is an ideology of a vassal Islam.

It's sad more than anything

[Free Rhenish States II]

I know, a typical hypocrite who sold himself to the unbelievers. We've got a term for this now - Hiwicrats (or Hiwis) -

From German Hilfswilliger (literally a person thatr wants to help, the Soviet collaborations were called so during the WWII) and democrat (an allegory at democracy, because that's the only regime they can live under as they reject the Sharia law and be tolerated). A hiwi believes serving the unbelievers (especially the West) to be the point of live, however, they are not giving up Islam and sincerely believe that they serve God by somehow mixing up dunya and deen, but as they labor under the delusion further, they completely lose their sense and turn kaffirs. A hiwi values the lives of unbelievers more than Muslims and would protect them at all costs, even at their life's expense. Hiwicracy is an ideology of a vassal Islam.

It's sad more than anything

Not that we can do something about it besides making duaa for Allah to guide them.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

It's sad more than anything

Not that we can do something about it besides making duaa for Allah to guide them.

The position Muslims are in today is just beyond description, of course Rasoolillah (SAAWS) warned us and those upon the Haqq will remain firm in these warnings and signs from the Quran and Sunnah. This Dunya is only temporary may Alllah grant us what is best.

[Free Rhenish States II]

Not that we can do something about it besides making duaa for Allah to guide them.

The position Muslims are in today is just beyond description, of course Rasoolillah (SAAWS) warned us and those upon the Haqq will remain firm in these warnings and signs from the Quran and Sunnah. This Dunya is only temporary may Alllah grant us what is best.

Actually, it can be described. A bleeding lion is the metaphorical description of our Umma's state.
But yeah, people fail to realize that in this world it is better to live for the long term paradise than enjoy the short term pleasures of this world, sadly.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

The position Muslims are in today is just beyond description, of course Rasoolillah (SAAWS) warned us and those upon the Haqq will remain firm in these warnings and signs from the Quran and Sunnah. This Dunya is only temporary may Alllah grant us what is best.

Actually, it can be described. A bleeding lion is the metaphorical description of our Umma's state.
But yeah, people fail to realize that in this world it is better to live for the long term paradise than enjoy the short term pleasures of this world, sadly.

Each day that passes is just another towards the inevitable yet we have people racing against the current always striving for the biggest houses, the best degrees, the best of this world when as Abu Bakr (RA) put it "We shall all be eaten by the worms" these houses will be gone someday, your job is replaceable, etc. But whenever people go against the current they always fall, the Quran tells us to go to what gives us life Allah gives us life in this world and the hereafter.

[Free Rhenish States II]

Actually, it can be described. A bleeding lion is the metaphorical description of our Umma's state.
But yeah, people fail to realize that in this world it is better to live for the long term paradise than enjoy the short term pleasures of this world, sadly.

Each day that passes is just another towards the inevitable yet we have people racing against the current always striving for the biggest houses, the best degrees, the best of this world when as Abu Bakr (RA) put it "We shall all be eaten by the worms" these houses will be gone someday, your job is replaceable, etc. But whenever people go against the current they always fall, the Quran tells us to go to what gives us life Allah gives us life in this world and the hereafter.

There's nothing wrong with striving for the best, but everyone just needs to know one thing. Allah comes first.

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If you`re referring to Alsheb, then I doubt his conversion was even genuine. He mentioned having an Indonesian girlfriend and marrying her, so I think he just converted in order to get laid tbh.

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[El-Amin Caliphate]

yh they are believing in Communism and all sorts of other unIslamic ideologies I don't see what's so hard about accepting Islam alone, if you can't take Islam as it is then why bother being Muslim?

If you`re referring to Alsheb, then I doubt his conversion was even genuine. He mentioned having an Indonesian girlfriend and marrying her, so I think he just converted in order to get laid tbh. And she probably was "progressive" so that influenced him, or he was "progressive" enough to influence her. Be that as it may, that is what I think.

That's not how you talk about another Muslim. Just because he's misguided doesn't make him a lost cause.

[Andonisya]

Casablanca – Morocco’s High Religious Committee has retracted its Islamic ruling stating that apostasy is punishable by death and has decided to permit Muslims to change their religion.

The High Religious Committee in charge of issuing Fatwas (Islamic rulings) released a book in 2012 where it articulated its position on apostasy and argued that a Muslim who changes his or her religion should be punished with death, drawing on a widespread jurisprudence tradition.

Recently, however, the same entity issued a document titled “The Way of the Scholars,” in which it backtracked on its position of killing apostates. Instead, it redefined apostasy not as a religious issue but as a political stand more closely aligned with “high treason.”

The view that the apostate should not be killed in Islam is not a new one and can be found in the teachings of Sufyan al-Thawri in the first century AH. The scholar reviewed historical situations where the prophet Mohammed acted on the ruling, as opposed to the times he did not order the killing of the apostates. He concluded that killings occurred for political purposes and were not decisions based on religion. The apostates could, theoretically, disclose the secrets of the then fragile Islamic nation.

The reasons behind Morocco’s High Religious Committee’s change in position are not different from those advocated by Sufyan al-Thawri. Their newly released statement says:

“The most accurate understanding, and the most consistent with the Islamic legislation and the practical way of the Prophet, peace be upon him, is that the killing of the apostate is meant for the traitor of the group, the one disclosing secrets, […] the equivalent of treason in international law.”

The High Religious Committee presented the Prophet’s statement that “whoever changes his religion, kill him” in the light of his explanation “the one who leaves his religion and abandons his people.” The statement further explains that, at the time of continuous wars against the Islamic revolution in Arabia, apostates represented the threat of disclosing the secrets of new Ummah to its many enemies.

The document went to explain that during the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, Prophet Mohammed himself observed the provisions stating that whomever became a Muslim and renounced it must be allowed to return to Quraich, the Muslim nations’ most powerful enemy at the time. When a Bedouin decided to leave Islam after the Treaty, therefore, the prophet simply let him go.

Using Islam’s primary source of legislation, the High Religious Committee stated that the Quran talks in many instances about apostasy and its punishment in the hereafter, without mentioning any punishment in this life as in Chapter 2 verse 217 that says: “And whoever of you reverts from his religion [to disbelief] and dies while he is a disbeliever – for those, their deeds have become worthless in this world and the Hereafter, and those are the companions of the Fire, they will abide therein eternally.”

The document also explained that the famous Wars of Apostasy launched by Abu Bakr as-Siddiq, the Muslims world’s first Caliph, were in line with his effort to keep the newly established state together and fight all sorts of internal divisions. This was a decision based on political reasoning rather than by religious motivations.

Link: https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2017/0 ... ign=buffer