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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:52 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So you support stoning gay men?

Stoning is nowhere in the Quran and I'm pretty sure I've seen Amin advocate lashing instead. Which isn't exactly better.

The link Lubumbashi cited mentions stoning right after mentioning homosexuality.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:54 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:And I never thought I'd see the day when I'd log in and see the IDT discussing worms in anuses. Good fucking God, y'all.

Blame Larin, he's one of yours.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:56 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:So why can't gay people get married? Is there a surah that says that marriage is between a man and a woman or something, or just the vague possible "it's a sin" verse?

It's not vague.
Also, the only way sexual relations can happen in a halal way is through marriage (and even then it's regulated a little bit [can't do anal sex]). Since homosexual intercourse is haram, Muslims can't do so, and getting married is against the command of Allah (SWT). http://legacy.quran.com/75/39

Why is homosexual intercourse haram.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:56 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Stoning is nowhere in the Quran and I'm pretty sure I've seen Amin advocate lashing instead. Which isn't exactly better.

The link Lubumbashi cited mentions stoning right after mentioning homosexuality.

Who's Lubumbashi?
And yes, Allah (SWT) punishment for ahlal-Lut was a rain of stones.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:57 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's not vague.
Also, the only way sexual relations can happen in a halal way is through marriage (and even then it's regulated a little bit [can't do anal sex]). Since homosexual intercourse is haram, Muslims can't do so, and getting married is against the command of Allah (SWT). http://legacy.quran.com/75/39

Why is homosexual intercourse haram.

http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:00 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Genivaria wrote:The link Lubumbashi cited mentions stoning right after mentioning homosexuality.

Who's Lubumbashi?
And yes, Allah (SWT) punishment for ahlal-Lut was a rain of stones.

Sorry I meant you but I'm on a phone and auto-correct is Satan.
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:And I never thought I'd see the day when I'd log in and see the IDT discussing worms in anuses. Good fucking God, y'all.

Blame Larin, he's one of yours.

One of mine? I wasn't aware that I owned my very own Larin.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:09 pm

Datlofff wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I don’t think tapeworms can be transmitted sexually either.

You clearly haven't heard of the infamous dick worm. It burrows in your urethra and sucks on the blood there when you get erections. Then when you have sex it passes to your significant other to lay eggs.

AHHHHH
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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:09 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Blame Larin, he's one of yours.

One of mine? I wasn't aware that I owned my very own Larin.


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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:10 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why is homosexual intercourse haram.

http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84

What if you're not attracted to the other person?
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:11 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's not vague.
Also, the only way sexual relations can happen in a halal way is through marriage (and even then it's regulated a little bit [can't do anal sex]). Since homosexual intercourse is haram, Muslims can't do so, and getting married is against the command of Allah (SWT). http://legacy.quran.com/75/39

Why is homosexual intercourse haram.

Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent entity who created the entire universe give two shits about the genders of consenting adults having sex?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:27 pm

Cekoviu wrote:

What if you're not attracted to the other person?

What do you mean?
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Why is homosexual intercourse haram.

Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent entity who created the entire universe give two about the genders of consenting adults having sex?

http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84, http://legacy.quran.com/75/39
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:29 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:What if you're not attracted to the other person?

What do you mean?
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent entity who created the entire universe give two about the genders of consenting adults having sex?

http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84, http://legacy.quran.com/75/39

In no way does that answer the question.
I have close friends who are gay, do you think they deserve death?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:40 pm

Genivaria wrote:

In no way does that answer the question.
I have close friends who are gay, do you think they deserve death?

No, that would be un-Islamic of me to say so.
Also, it does answer the question Constitutional Minecraft was asking.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:47 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:What if you're not attracted to the other person?

What do you mean?

7:81 wrote:Indeed, you approach men with desire [...] Rather, you are a transgressing people.

So, if you don't approach men with desire, it wouldn't be a sin. Therefore, if you don't lust after another dude but you still have a relationship with him, it's A-OK. At least, that's how I'm reading it.
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:48 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What do you mean?

7:81 wrote:Indeed, you approach men with desire [...] Rather, you are a transgressing people.

So, if you don't approach men with desire, it wouldn't be a sin. Therefore, if you don't lust after another dude but you still have a relationship with him, it's A-OK. At least, that's how I'm reading it.


Yes having friends that are of your same gender are ok. What ever made you think muslims disapproved of that?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What do you mean?

7:81 wrote:Indeed, you approach men with desire [...] Rather, you are a transgressing people.

So, if you don't approach men with desire, it wouldn't be a sin. Therefore, if you don't lust after another dude but you still have a relationship with him, it's A-OK. At least, that's how I'm reading it.

No, it's not. Homosexual relationships and sex is haram.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:52 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:
So, if you don't approach men with desire, it wouldn't be a sin. Therefore, if you don't lust after another dude but you still have a relationship with him, it's A-OK. At least, that's how I'm reading it.


Yes having friends that are of your same gender are ok. What ever made you think muslims disapproved of that?

Wait, is that what he meant?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:53 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:
So, if you don't approach men with desire, it wouldn't be a sin. Therefore, if you don't lust after another dude but you still have a relationship with him, it's A-OK. At least, that's how I'm reading it.

No, it's not. Homosexual relationships and sex is haram.

You still haven't showed me anything from the Qur'an proving that.
Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Yes having friends that are of your same gender are ok. What ever made you think muslims disapproved of that?

Wait, is that what he meant?

She and no.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:54 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:No, it's not. Homosexual relationships and sex is haram.

You still haven't showed me anything from the Qur'an proving that.

Yes I did.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:56 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:You still haven't showed me anything from the Qur'an proving that.

Yes I did.

Nah, that just says desire for another man is bad. Doesn't say anything about lesbians or gay sex if you're not into the other guy.
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Apr 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes I did.

Nah, that just says desire for another man is bad. Doesn't say anything about lesbians or gay sex if you're not into the other guy.


Why would you have sex with someone you weren't attracted to? That makes no sense...
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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:01 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Nah, that just says desire for another man is bad. Doesn't say anything about lesbians or gay sex if you're not into the other guy.


Why would you have sex with someone you weren't attracted to? That makes no sense...


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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:04 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes I did.

Nah, that just says desire for another man is bad. Doesn't say anything about lesbians or gay sex if you're not into the other guy.

Are you a Muslim? Are you an Islamic scholar?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:05 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Nah, that just says desire for another man is bad. Doesn't say anything about lesbians or gay sex if you're not into the other guy.


Why would you have sex with someone you weren't attracted to? That makes no sense...

Mujahidah dat flag dooo loooool :rofl:
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.
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