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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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New Emeline
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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:02 pm

Larin wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Also, even if there were worms, condoms exist...


I know, but you have those people who refuse to wear it, EVEN though they know the dangers if the other has worms

If you have worms, you need to go to a doctor. That isn’t normal.

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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:02 pm

Larin wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Worms???


You know? That tiny white things? In Dutch we call it Wormen


Wait. You live in the Netherlands, are 21, but do not know what the LHC is ? That's.. standard.. in physics classes.
*is amazed*

Instead people seem to have been telling you some very odd things. Many of which seem to be lies and distortions of truth.
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Larin
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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:03 pm

Mujahidah wrote:Excuse me, Larin, but you still haven't explained how two women can have sex without being able to marry each other.


Let’s say that: Only straight people should get married before they can have sex
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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:04 pm

Can you please explain the worm thing, because that really isn’t normal.

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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:04 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Larin wrote:
You know? That tiny white things? In Dutch we call it Wormen


Wait. You live in the Netherlands, are 21, but do not know what the LHC is ? That's.. standard.. in physics classes.
*is amazed*

Instead people seem to have been telling you some very odd things. Many of which seem to be lies and distortions of truth.


Because i did go to a very different school
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:05 pm

Larin wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Wait. You live in the Netherlands, are 21, but do not know what the LHC is ? That's.. standard.. in physics classes.
*is amazed*

Instead people seem to have been telling you some very odd things. Many of which seem to be lies and distortions of truth.


Because i did go to a very different school

Did you go to an Islamic school?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:05 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's not her interpretation, it's in the Holy Qur'an: http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84

Could that be talking about infidelity? I don't know the context, but it's possible.

No, because there's a separate verse which speaks about that: http://legacy.quran.com/24/2
Well, this verse speaks about all forms of illegal sexual intercourse, but still.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:06 pm

Larin wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:Excuse me, Larin, but you still haven't explained how two women can have sex without being able to marry each other.


Let’s say that: Only straight people should get married before they can have sex


That position is inherently unislamic, though. I don't care if its your personal opinion. Its unislamic.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:06 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Could that be talking about infidelity? I don't know the context, but it's possible.

No, because there's a separate verse which speaks about that: http://legacy.quran.com/24/2
Well, this verse speaks about all forms of illegal sexual intercourse, but still.

But do you support stoning gay men?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:08 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Larin wrote:
Let’s say that: Only straight people should get married before they can have sex


That position is inherently unislamic, though. I don't care if its your personal opinion. Its unislamic.

So why can't gay people get married? Is there a surah that says that marriage is between a man and a woman or something, or just the vague possible "it's a sin" verse?
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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Larin wrote:
Because i did go to a very different school

Did you go to an Islamic school?


No, there are no Islamic schools in the region where i live, and i did go to a school for children with special needs
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Islamism, Caliphate, Shari'ah, Saudi Arabia, Jihadism
Capitalism, Democracy, Israel, Gregorian calendar, nuclear weapons, LGBT

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:09 pm

Larin wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Did you go to an Islamic school?


No, there are no Islamic schools in the region where i live, and i did go to a school for children with special needs

Then your school failed you and filled your head with nonsense.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:11 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Larin wrote:
Because i did go to a very different school

Did you go to an Islamic school?


Not very likely. There are no more Islamic schools for secondary education in the Netherlands. There once were many, but each and every one turned out to be run and managed by crooks who embezzled money and promoted exam fraud.
Literally every single one.

Plenty of Islamic grammarschools still around though.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:11 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
That position is inherently unislamic, though. I don't care if its your personal opinion. Its unislamic.

So why can't gay people get married? Is there a surah that says that marriage is between a man and a woman or something, or just the vague possible "it's a sin" verse?

It's not vague.
Also, the only way sexual relations can happen in a halal way is through marriage (and even then it's regulated a little bit [can't do anal sex]). Since homosexual intercourse is haram, Muslims can't do so, and getting married is against the command of Allah (SWT). http://legacy.quran.com/75/39
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:12 pm

So am I just gonna have to drop the worm thing or

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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:13 pm

New Emeline wrote:So am I just gonna have to drop the worm thing or


I think they got the message they were misinformed - and that if they actually do have worms in their anus that a doctorsvisit is needed.
Getting an education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease.
It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on.
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Postby Kartofian » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:15 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
New Emeline wrote:So am I just gonna have to drop the worm thing or


I think they got the message they were misinformed - and that if they actually do have worms in their anus that a doctorsvisit is needed.

Do you think they were referencing tape worms? I don't think those even live in the butt.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:16 pm

Kartofian wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
I think they got the message they were misinformed - and that if they actually do have worms in their anus that a doctorsvisit is needed.

Do you think they were referencing tape worms? I don't think those even live in the butt.

They live in your instestines. And if you try to poop one out, that'll cause A LOT fo pain.
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I'm a New Afrikan Muslim :) https://www.16personalities.com/isfj-personality Sister nation of El-Amin Caliphate
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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New Emeline
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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:17 pm

Kartofian wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
I think they got the message they were misinformed - and that if they actually do have worms in their anus that a doctorsvisit is needed.

Do you think they were referencing tape worms? I don't think those even live in the butt.

I don’t think tapeworms can be transmitted sexually either.

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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:19 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's not her interpretation, it's in the Holy Qur'an: http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84

So you support stoning gay men?

Stoning is nowhere in the Quran and I'm pretty sure I've seen Amin advocate lashing instead. Which isn't exactly better.

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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:20 pm

And I never thought I'd see the day when I'd log in and see the IDT discussing worms in anuses. Good fucking God, y'all.

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Postby Kartofian » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:22 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Kartofian wrote:Do you think they were referencing tape worms? I don't think those even live in the butt.

They live in your instestines. And if you try to poop one out, that'll cause A LOT fo pain.

I would say that's enough NSG for today, but I would be lying.

Anyways Larin, what's up with all the robo hate?
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Postby Datlofff » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:29 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Kartofian wrote:Do you think they were referencing tape worms? I don't think those even live in the butt.

I don’t think tapeworms can be transmitted sexually either.

You clearly haven't heard of the infamous dick worm. It burrows in your urethra and sucks on the blood there when you get erections. Then when you have sex it passes to your significant other to lay eggs.
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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:32 pm

Kartofian wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:They live in your instestines. And if you try to poop one out, that'll cause A LOT fo pain.

I would say that's enough NSG for today, but I would be lying.

Anyways Larin, what's up with all the robo hate?


They are too far in the future, i mean, come on, if you are too lazy to order a pizza or some food or buy something you can order it, or you can’t clean your house just get a cleaner who can clean your house, and the worst thing i find is a freaking human robot, and the worster than worst is a robot in a hotel, look i do like those RC planes and RC cars and drones, i have no problems with that
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Postby The Grims » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:44 pm

Datlofff wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I don’t think tapeworms can be transmitted sexually either.

You clearly haven't heard of the infamous dick worm. It burrows in your urethra and sucks on the blood there when you get erections. Then when you have sex it passes to your significant other to lay eggs.


And that's where babies come from.

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