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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:54 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Larin wrote:
It’s my personal opinion

Yeah, and your personal opinion is out of wack with Al-Islam. Allah (SWT) forbade all forms of homosexuality, just like he banned all forms of other forms of illegal sexual intercourse.

>It's illegal because Allah forbade it
>Allah forbade it because it's illegal
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:54 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Ummmm depending on the country they can.


I'm speaking religiously.

Depends on the religion :P
But since this is the Islamic thread, your point is ofc valid.
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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:54 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Larin wrote:
Still i don’t like anal penetration at all, because it is dangerous

In a response to Kubumba Tribe: I know they can have anal penetration, but i think that anal penetration is dangerous and shoulsn’t be allowed at all

You shouldn't like it regardless of whether it's dangerous or not, the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) forbade it. Just like all forms of homosexuality are haram.


I know but it’s my personal opinion, and there are countries who only allow female-to-female sexual activities
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:54 pm

Larin wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
We get that. The question is why should women be able to have same-sex relations but not men?


Because i think that anal penetration is not okay, and dangerous, and two woman don’t do that

Um, source needed?
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:55 pm

Larin wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:You shouldn't like it regardless of whether it's dangerous or not, the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) forbade it. Just like all forms of homosexuality are haram.


I know but it’s my personal opinion, and there are countries who only allow female-to-female sexual activities

....what :lol:
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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:55 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Why? You’re basing legislature on what is and isn’t gross? I think cottage cheese is gross, I’m not going to ban it.

Them's fightin' words, m8

Cottage cheese is gross.
I won’t back down on that point

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:55 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
I'm speaking religiously.

Well for your interpretation I guess.

It's not her interpretation, it's in the Holy Qur'an: http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:55 pm

Larin wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:You shouldn't like it regardless of whether it's dangerous or not, the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) forbade it. Just like all forms of homosexuality are haram.


I know but it’s my personal opinion, and there are countries who only allow female-to-female sexual activities

Which countries would that be????

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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:55 pm

Larin wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:You shouldn't like it regardless of whether it's dangerous or not, the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) forbade it. Just like all forms of homosexuality are haram.


I know but it’s my personal opinion, and there are countries who only allow female-to-female sexual activities


Two women in Islam cannot get married. Why can they have sex if extramarital relations are forbidden?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:56 pm

Larin wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:You shouldn't like it regardless of whether it's dangerous or not, the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) forbade it. Just like all forms of homosexuality are haram.


I know but it’s my personal opinion, and there are countries who only allow female-to-female sexual activities

That doesn't make it logical or normal.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:57 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Them's fightin' words, m8

Cottage cheese is gross.
I won’t back down on that point

I'm going to make you.
Rufus, prepare the cheese bath.
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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:57 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Larin wrote:
Because i think that anal penetration is not okay, and dangerous, and two woman don’t do that

Um, source needed?


I am on my phone because my pc is being repaired but the reasons why it is dangerous are:
1. There can be worms in the anus which can be on and/or the genitals of the man
2. It can damage the anus very badly and the darms
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Current date: 28 Jumada t-Tania 1440
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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:57 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Larin wrote:
I know but it’s my personal opinion, and there are countries who only allow female-to-female sexual activities

That doesn't make it logical or normal.

Somehow I think logic doesn’t factor in here.

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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:58 pm

Larin wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Um, source needed?


I am on my phone because my pc is being repaired but the reasons why it is dangerous are:
1. There can be worms in the anus which can be on and/or the genitals of the man
2. It can damage the anus very badly and the darms

Worms???

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:58 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Well for your interpretation I guess.

It's not her interpretation, it's in the Holy Qur'an: http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84

Could that be talking about infidelity? I don't know the context, but it's possible.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:58 pm

Larin wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Um, source needed?


I am on my phone because my pc is being repaired but the reasons why it is dangerous are:
1. There can be worms in the anus which can be on and/or the genitals of the man
2. It can damage the anus very badly and the darms

...the fuck have you been reading?
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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:59 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Larin wrote:
I am on my phone because my pc is being repaired but the reasons why it is dangerous are:
1. There can be worms in the anus which can be on and/or the genitals of the man
2. It can damage the anus very badly and the darms

...the fuck have you been reading?

Also, even if there were worms, condoms exist...

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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:59 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Larin wrote:
I am on my phone because my pc is being repaired but the reasons why it is dangerous are:
1. There can be worms in the anus which can be on and/or the genitals of the man
2. It can damage the anus very badly and the darms

Worms???


You know? That tiny white things? In Dutch we call it Wormen
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:59 pm

Larin wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Um, source needed?


I am on my phone because my pc is being repaired but the reasons why it is dangerous are:
1. There can be worms in the anus which can be on and/or the genitals of the man
2. It can damage the anus very badly and the darms

Dude, if you have worms on your penis, you've got more problems than it being haraam to engage in sodomy.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:00 pm

Larin wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:You shouldn't like it regardless of whether it's dangerous or not, the Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) forbade it. Just like all forms of homosexuality are haram.


I know but it’s my personal opinion, and there are countries who only allow female-to-female sexual activities

So what if it's your personal opinion? http://legacy.quran.com/33/36
Pro: (Pan-)Islamism--Palestine--RBG--Choice to an extent--Giving land back to Native Americans--East--Afrika--etc.
Anti: US gov--West gov--Capitalism--Imperialism/Colonialism--Racism/White Supremacy--Secularism getting into everything--Western 'intervention' in the East--Zionism--etc.
I'm a New Afrikan Muslim :) https://www.16personalities.com/isfj-personality Sister nation of El-Amin Caliphate
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby New Emeline » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:00 pm

Larin wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Worms???


You know? That tiny white things? In Dutch we call it Wormen

If you have worms in your you-know-where you should probably call a doctor.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:00 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Well for your interpretation I guess.

It's not her interpretation, it's in the Holy Qur'an: http://legacy.quran.com/7/80-84

So you support stoning gay men?
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Postby Mujahidah » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:01 pm

Excuse me, Larin, but you still haven't explained how two women can have sex without being able to marry each other.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:01 pm

Larin wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Worms???


You know? That tiny white things? In Dutch we call it Wormen

Go. To. The. Fucking. Hospital.
Not joking, go. Right now.
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Postby Larin » Wed Apr 11, 2018 1:01 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Genivaria wrote:...the fuck have you been reading?

Also, even if there were worms, condoms exist...


I know, but you have those people who refuse to wear it, EVEN though they know the dangers if the other has worms
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