Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Larin]

You are talking crap

Fam, Saudi Arabia sucks.

No

[Cekoviu]

There's corruption everywhere. The levels just vary between governments and countries.

Yeah, in western countries yes, but not in KSA

You're saying there's no corruption in Saudi Arabia?
The level of propaganda consumption required to fuel this belief is unimaginable. How in the world are you capable of believing such a thing in the face of mounds of evidence?

[Mujahidah]

There's corruption everywhere. The levels just vary between governments and countries.

Yeah, in western countries yes, but not in KSA

Are you going to source any of this or are you just making crap up to justify your support of, honestly, one of the worst influences on Middle Eastern politics? Saudi Arabia is infamous for corruption. Their royal family are hypocrites. The Salafi interpretation of Islam is majorly flawed.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

You are talking crap

There's corruption everywhere. The levels just vary between governments and countries.

Corruption is much lower in democratic countries (less corruption tends to correlate with more democracy)

[Dylar]

There's corruption everywhere. The levels just vary between governments and countries.

Yeah, in western countries yes, but not in KSA

What do you define as a "Western country" because,I can assure you that Russia (which, like other countries, has corruption) is not Western, but Eastern.

[Genivaria]

There's corruption everywhere. The levels just vary between governments and countries.

Yeah, in western countries yes, but not in KSA

What is it like to be so wrong?

[Dylar]

There's corruption everywhere. The levels just vary between governments and countries.

Corruption is much lower in democratic countries (less corruption tends to correlate with more democracy)

*spreading democracy intensifies*

[Genivaria]

Yeah, in western countries yes, but not in KSA

Are you going to source any of this or are you just making crap up to justify your support of, honestly, one of the worst influences on Middle Eastern politics? Saudi Arabia is infamous for corruption. Their royal family are hypocrites. The Salafi interpretation of Islam is majorly flawed.

Question, are Salafis and Wahhabis basically the same thing? Because I've heard them used interchangeably.

[Dylar]

Yeah, in western countries yes, but not in KSA

You're saying there's no corruption in Saudi Arabia?
The level of propaganda consumption required to fuel this belief is unimaginable. How in the world are you capable of believing such a thing in the face of mounds of evidence?

Hell, I won't even deny that there's some corruption within the Vatican. What with Cardinal Pell.And I'ma devout Catholic

[Mujahidah]

Are you going to source any of this or are you just making crap up to justify your support of, honestly, one of the worst influences on Middle Eastern politics? Saudi Arabia is infamous for corruption. Their royal family are hypocrites. The Salafi interpretation of Islam is majorly flawed.

Question, are Salafis and Wahhabis basically the same thing? Because I've heard them used interchangeably.

"Wahhabi" is generally considered a slur by Salafis. My general understanding is that the terms are close enough to be used generally interchangeably, though there is a technical difference that, I'm afraid, I don't quite remember.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Are you going to source any of this or are you just making crap up to justify your support of, honestly, one of the worst influences on Middle Eastern politics? Saudi Arabia is infamous for corruption. Their royal family are hypocrites. The Salafi interpretation of Islam is majorly flawed.

Question, are Salafis and Wahhabis basically the same thing? Because I've heard them used interchangeably.

A Salafi is someone who follows the Salaf (another name for the Sahaba [RA]). The Wahhabis think they're doing that, but they're not.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Yeah, in western countries yes, but not in KSA

What do you define as a "Western country" because,I can assure you that Russia (which, like other countries, has corruption) is not Western, but Eastern.

Corruption is tied more to democracy levels than Western/Eastern countries. And Russia is not a democracy, partly due to its massive levels of corruption.

[Mujahidah]

Just a reminder that the House of Saud is full of hypocrites

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Just a reminder that the House of Saud is full of hypocrites

La'natullah 'alayhim if they don't repent.

[Cekoviu]

What do you define as a "Western country" because,I can assure you that Russia (which, like other countries, has corruption) is not Western, but Eastern.

Corruption is tied more to democracy levels than Western/Eastern countries. And Russia is not a democracy, partly due to its massive levels of corruption.

Well, democracy tends to correlate with being "Western" or "Eastern" as well. As far as I know, all countries typically considered Western are liberal democracies, while it depends for Eastern countries (with some countries that perform well in terms of democracy that are Eastern being Mongolia, Japan, India, Mauritius, and Botswana).

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Corruption is tied more to democracy levels than Western/Eastern countries. And Russia is not a democracy, partly due to its massive levels of corruption.

Well, democracy tends to correlate with being "Western" or "Eastern" as well. As far as I know, all countries typically considered Western are liberal democracies, while it depends for Eastern countries (with some countries that perform well in terms of democracy that are Eastern being Mongolia, Japan, India, Mauritius, and Botswana).

Well, correlation =/= causation.

[Cekoviu]

Well, democracy tends to correlate with being "Western" or "Eastern" as well. As far as I know, all countries typically considered Western are liberal democracies, while it depends for Eastern countries (with some countries that perform well in terms of democracy that are Eastern being Mongolia, Japan, India, Mauritius, and Botswana).

Well, correlation =/= causation.

I know, I'm just saying that corruption is still tied to being Western or Eastern by virtue of the democracy index being tied to that as well.

[Kartofian]

Corruption is tied more to democracy levels than Western/Eastern countries. And Russia is not a democracy, partly due to its massive levels of corruption.

Well, democracy tends to correlate with being "Western" or "Eastern" as well. As far as I know, all countries typically considered Western are liberal democracies, while it depends for Eastern countries (with some countries that perform well in terms of democracy that are Eastern being Mongolia, Japan, India, Mauritius, and Botswana).

Yeah, Mongolia is democratic with only occasional foreign electoral interference - but yeah tot's democratic. And Japan is just an inch away from being a one party state, and Abe's corruption scandals aren't helping - at least the Japanese people seem pretty pissed at that.

Don't know enough about others to make a judgement, but India went through a pretty authoritarian phase under Indira.

The term democracy, in non academic settings, tends to be thrown around quite carelessly; it also has a tendency to change over time - considering that a slave-holding oligarchic republic was once considered to be a democracy.

[Genivaria]

Well, democracy tends to correlate with being "Western" or "Eastern" as well. As far as I know, all countries typically considered Western are liberal democracies, while it depends for Eastern countries (with some countries that perform well in terms of democracy that are Eastern being Mongolia, Japan, India, Mauritius, and Botswana).

Yeah, Mongolia is democratic with only occasional foreign electoral interference - but yeah tot's democratic. And Japan is just an inch away from being a one party state, and Abe's corruption scandals aren't helping - at least the Japanese people seem pretty pissed at that.

Don't know enough about others to make a judgement, but India went through a pretty authoritarian phase under Indira.

The term democracy, in non academic settings, tends to be thrown around quite carelessly; it also has a tendency to change over time - considering that a slave-holding oligarchic republic was once considered to be a democracy.

Well back then people didn't expect democracy to automatically come with universal suffrage, now it's Buy 1 Get 1 Free or people get pissed off.

[Kartofian]

Yeah, Mongolia is democratic with only occasional foreign electoral interference - but yeah tot's democratic. And Japan is just an inch away from being a one party state, and Abe's corruption scandals aren't helping - at least the Japanese people seem pretty pissed at that.

Don't know enough about others to make a judgement, but India went through a pretty authoritarian phase under Indira.

The term democracy, in non academic settings, tends to be thrown around quite carelessly; it also has a tendency to change over time - considering that a slave-holding oligarchic republic was once considered to be a democracy.

Well back then people didn't expect democracy to automatically come with universal suffrage, now it's Buy 1 Get 1 Free or people get pissed off.

Yeah you are right, and to be fair - it was more 'democratic' than many other governments at the time.

Anyways, democracy shouldn't be thought of as a one size fits all kind of system. It heavily depends upon a country's national character. I suspect that there are some people in the East who think of their countries as more democratic than the West.

[Cekoviu]

Well, democracy tends to correlate with being "Western" or "Eastern" as well. As far as I know, all countries typically considered Western are liberal democracies, while it depends for Eastern countries (with some countries that perform well in terms of democracy that are Eastern being Mongolia, Japan, India, Mauritius, and Botswana).

Yeah, Mongolia is democratic with only occasional foreign electoral interference - but yeah tot's democratic. And Japan is just an inch away from being a one party state, and Abe's corruption scandals aren't helping - at least the Japanese people seem pretty pissed at that.

Don't know enough about others to make a judgement, but India went through a pretty authoritarian phase under Indira.

The term democracy, in non academic settings, tends to be thrown around quite carelessly; it also has a tendency to change over time - considering that a slave-holding oligarchic republic was once considered to be a democracy.

The Democracy Index places the ones I listed pretty high, especially when you compare it with their neighbors. Although the LDP has a large majority in the Japanese House, it's not near a one-party state like Russia. And as you pointed out, Japanese people aren't usually that thrilled about Abe's corruption.

[Larin]

Yeah, in western countries yes, but not in KSA

What do you define as a "Western country" because,I can assure you that Russia (which, like other countries, has corruption) is not Western, but Eastern.

Western countries: USA, Mexico, Netherlands etc.
Non-western countries: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, Egypt etc.

[Larin]

Just a reminder that the House of Saud is full of hypocrites

You are a hypocrite

[Dylar]

What do you define as a "Western country" because,I can assure you that Russia (which, like other countries, has corruption) is not Western, but Eastern.

Western countries: USA, Mexico, Netherlands etc.
Non-western countries: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, UAE, Egypt etc.

Okay, what about the droid attack on the Wookies the Slavic/Asian countries?

[Pilarcraft]

Just a reminder that the House of Saud is full of hypocrites

You are a hypocrite

no u