Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Cool you admit that Shias fight for Islamic values

Didn't know that Secularism, Feminism, Adultery, Homosexuality, Promiscuity, Idolatry and Nationalism are Islamic values.

I guess Charles Manson is the Mahdi according to your strandards.

There's people on here who would say those things are staples of Islam.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Opressors must go - irrelevant if they are Muslim or not. I support the initial revolt against Assad but it got hijacked into a sectarian war by most Gulf States and NATO(TM).

And if there is something the enemies of Islam love, it's dividing us.

Yes exactly, look at your founder Abdullah Ibn Saba he was a Jew and an enemy of Islam yet he 'converted' to Islam and created this deadly cult.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Didn't know that Secularism, Feminism, Adultery, Homosexuality, Promiscuity, Idolatry and Nationalism are Islamic values.

I guess Charles Manson is the Mahdi according to your strandards.

There's people on here who would say those things are staples of Islam.

Nationalism is partly Islamic in nature. Add 'Islamic' to 'Nationalim' and you get something that you, I and many pan-Islamist Muslims support, albeit different ways, but nonetheless support.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

There's people on here who would say those things are staples of Islam.

Nationalism is partly Islamic in nature. Add 'Islamic' to 'Nationalim' and you get something that you, I and many pan-Islamist Muslims support, albeit different ways, but nonetheless support.

It's not the same, Nationalism is pride in an individual country like Turkey or Cuba for example. This is a foreign concept to Muslims we do not believe in unity or pride in anything else besides unity in Islam.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Nationalism is partly Islamic in nature. Add 'Islamic' to 'Nationalim' and you get something that you, I and many pan-Islamist Muslims support, albeit different ways, but nonetheless support.

It's not the same, Nationalism is pride in an individual country like Turkey or Cuba for example. This is a foreign concept to Muslims we do not believe in unity or pride in anything else besides unity in Islam.

Yeah, but Muslims want a united Islamic Ummah, right? That can be in the form of a nation, right? So, Islamic nationalism.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

It's not the same, Nationalism is pride in an individual country like Turkey or Cuba for example. This is a foreign concept to Muslims we do not believe in unity or pride in anything else besides unity in Islam.

Yeah, but Muslims want a united Islamic Ummah, right? That can be in the form of a nation, right? So, Islamic nationalism.

It's not the same as Nationalism as defined in the usual way.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

There's people on here who would say those things are staples of Islam.

Nationalism is partly Islamic in nature. Add 'Islamic' to 'Nationalim' and you get something that you, I and many pan-Islamist Muslims support, albeit different ways, but nonetheless support.

You mean to say that Islam is nationalist in nature.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yeah, but Muslims want a united Islamic Ummah, right? That can be in the form of a nation, right? So, Islamic nationalism.

It's not the same as Nationalism as defined in the usual way.

Oh yes, I understand that part. That's why I put the word 'Islamic' in front of the word 'Nationalism'.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Nationalism is partly Islamic in nature. Add 'Islamic' to 'Nationalim' and you get something that you, I and many pan-Islamist Muslims support, albeit different ways, but nonetheless support.

You mean to say that Islam is nationalist in nature.

No.

[Sanctissima]

It's not the same as Nationalism as defined in the usual way.

Oh yes, I understand that part. That's why I put the word 'Islamic' in front of the word 'Nationalism'.

Not to be nitpicky, but I think Pan-Islamism is the appropriate term.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh yes, I understand that part. That's why I put the word 'Islamic' in front of the word 'Nationalism'.

Not to be nitpicky, but I think Pan-Islamism is the appropriate term.

True, true, point made. Helps get rid of the confusion, too.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

You mean to say that Islam is nationalist in nature.

No.

Thought you might say that. *sighs* Well, go ahead. Tell me how the fuck nationalism can be construed - in any way, to whatever degree - as inherently Islamic.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No.

Thought you might say that. *sighs* Well, go ahead. Tell me how the fuck nationalism can be construed - in any way, to whatever degree - as inherently Islamic.

Ok:
Nationalism is pride in one's country, right? Well, Islamic nationalism is pride in a nation under Islamic values. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean "unite every nation with a majority Muslim population", but that is one way of how is can be taken. Other examples can be Christian nationalism, Jewish nationalism, Hindu nationalism, Sikh nationalism, etc. which can follow the same criteria mentioned above.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

No.

Thought you might say that. *sighs* Well, go ahead. Tell me how the fuck nationalism can be construed - in any way, to whatever degree - as inherently Islamic.

It's not

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Thought you might say that. *sighs* Well, go ahead. Tell me how the fuck nationalism can be construed - in any way, to whatever degree - as inherently Islamic.

It's not

Agreed. It's not inherently Islamic. Also, if anything isn't Islamic, it can't be construed to make it Islamic, because there's already a law for or against it. And vice versa.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

It's not

Agreed. It's not inherently Islamic. Also, if anything isn't Islamic, it can't be construed to make it Islamic, because there's already a law for or against it. And vice versa.

Yes this is the Shariah of Allah which is perfect.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Agreed. It's not inherently Islamic. Also, if anything isn't Islamic, it can't be construed to make it Islamic, because there's already a law for or against it. And vice versa.

Yes this is the Shariah of Allah which is perfect.

AlHamdulillah.
It's it ok to ask what made you come back here akhi?

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Yes this is the Shariah of Allah which is perfect.

AlHamdulillah.
It's it ok to ask what made you come back here akhi?

Just was browsing and I remembered the site and decided it'd be interesting I guess.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

AlHamdulillah.
It's it ok to ask what made you come back here akhi?

Just was browsing and I remembered the site and decided it'd be interesting I guess.

Cool. I wanted to come back cause I missed it.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Just was browsing and I remembered the site and decided it'd be interesting I guess.

Cool. I wanted to come back cause I missed it.

Thanks

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Thought you might say that. *sighs* Well, go ahead. Tell me how the fuck nationalism can be construed - in any way, to whatever degree - as inherently Islamic.

Ok:
Nationalism is pride in one's country, right? Well, Islamic nationalism is pride in a nation under Islamic values. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean "unite every nation with a majority Muslim population", but that is one way of how is can be taken. Other examples can be Christian nationalism, Jewish nationalism, Hindu nationalism, Sikh nationalism, etc. which can follow the same criteria mentioned above.

So you didn't mean "nationalism is partly Islamic in nature." Just because Islam incorporates nationalism does not mean nationalism necessarily/naturally incorporates Islam.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

Ok:
Nationalism is pride in one's country, right? Well, Islamic nationalism is pride in a nation under Islamic values. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean "unite every nation with a majority Muslim population", but that is one way of how is can be taken. Other examples can be Christian nationalism, Jewish nationalism, Hindu nationalism, Sikh nationalism, etc. which can follow the same criteria mentioned above.

So you didn't mean "nationalism is partly Islamic in nature." Just because Islam incorporates nationalism does not mean nationalism necessarily/naturally incorporates Islam.

What difference does it make?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Thought you might say that. *sighs* Well, go ahead. Tell me how the fuck nationalism can be construed - in any way, to whatever degree - as inherently Islamic.

It's not

Correct.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

So you didn't mean "nationalism is partly Islamic in nature." Just because Islam incorporates nationalism does not mean nationalism necessarily/naturally incorporates Islam.

What difference does it make?

...you mean the phrasing? Well, they each mean different things. Sooo. Yeah.

[Ghuraba Al-Khorusani]

What difference does it make?

...you mean the phrasing? Well, they each mean different things. Sooo. Yeah.

I mean why try to start a discussion on it?