Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Not everyone agrees with you on the latter.

What do you mean?

A large number of Muslims support transgenderism and the like. For instance, Iran has the second highest number of transition surgeries and Pakistan officially recognized a third gender.

[Geneviev]

What do you mean?

A large number of Muslims support transgenderism and the like. For instance, Iran has the second highest number of transition surgeries and Pakistan officially recognized a third gender.

Why is that?

If you support transgender, why not homosexuality?

[Albrenia]

A large number of Muslims support transgenderism and the like. For instance, Iran has the second highest number of transition surgeries and Pakistan officially recognized a third gender.

Why is that?

If you support transgender, why not homosexuality?

I think in Iran they figure you're not gay anymore if you become a woman, so they 'encourage' it to reduce homosexuality.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Why is that?

If you support transgender, why not homosexuality?

I think in Iran they figure you're not gay anymore if you become a woman, so they 'encourage' it to reduce homosexuality.

^truth

A large number of Muslims support transgenderism and the like. For instance, Iran has the second highest number of transition surgeries and Pakistan officially recognized a third gender.

Why is that?

If you support transgender, why not homosexuality?

*shrugs* no clue. I don't have a problem with either. My sister's gay.

[Geneviev]

Why is that?

If you support transgender, why not homosexuality?

I think in Iran they figure you're not gay anymore if you become a woman, so they 'encourage' it to reduce homosexuality.

Okay. That makes a little sense. Thank you very much.

[Cekoviu]

What do you mean?

A large number of Muslims support transgenderism and the like. For instance, Iran has the second highest number of transition surgeries and Pakistan officially recognized a third gender.

The Iran figure's a bit distorted, given that they force gay people to transition.

[Mujahidah]

Not everyone agrees with you on the latter.

What do you mean?

Not all views of Islam disapprove of Gender Transition.

[Mujahidah]

If you support transgender, why not homosexuality?

Because choosing to have sex with another of the same gender is different from fundamentally being a different gender than that assigned at birth. Regardless of one's views on the permissibility of either, they are fundamentally different things.

[Mujahidah]

A large number of Muslims support transgenderism and the like. For instance, Iran has the second highest number of transition surgeries and Pakistan officially recognized a third gender.

The Iran figure's a bit distorted, given that they force gay people to transition.

Yes but its still allowed, which I think was the point.

[Geneviev]

If you support transgender, why not homosexuality?

Because choosing to have sex with another of the same gender is different from fundamentally being a different gender than that assigned at birth. Regardless of one's views on the permissibility of either, they are fundamentally different things.

They are fundamentally different, yes, but most religions I encountered group the two together. That's why I was confused. So one is generally accepted more than the other?

[The Alma Mater]

Because choosing to have sex with another of the same gender is different from fundamentally being a different gender than that assigned at birth. Regardless of one's views on the permissibility of either, they are fundamentally different things.

They are fundamentally different, yes, but most religions I encountered group the two together. That's why I was confused. So one is generally accepted more than the other?

In Iran. In almost every other muslim country they are thrown on one heap, and usually considered sub-human or deserving of death.

[Geneviev]

They are fundamentally different, yes, but most religions I encountered group the two together. That's why I was confused. So one is generally accepted more than the other?

In Iran. In almost every other muslim country they are thrown on one heap, and usually considered sub-human or deserving of death.

Only in Iran? Also, what? Deserving of death?

[Mujahidah]

They are fundamentally different, yes, but most religions I encountered group the two together. That's why I was confused. So one is generally accepted more than the other?

In Iran. In almost every other muslim country they are thrown on one heap, and usually considered sub-human or deserving of death.

Thats inaccurate.

Also acceptance of transgender identities being separated from homosexuality isn't unique to Iran. Its a Pakistani thing as well, although its tied to the Hijra subculture. But even then its not unique to Islam in Pakistan and Iran.

[El Hamidah]

If you support transgender, why not homosexuality?

Because choosing to have sex with another of the same gender is different from fundamentally being a different gender than that assigned at birth. Regardless of one's views on the permissibility of either, they are fundamentally different things.

A lot more goes into loving another person than just wanting to fuck them. Gay relationships don't even need to include sex, same as any other relationship.

The disapproval of homosexuality is because of hatred for weakness and perceived femininity among males and nothing else. No moral argument can actually be made against it.

[Mujahidah]

Because choosing to have sex with another of the same gender is different from fundamentally being a different gender than that assigned at birth. Regardless of one's views on the permissibility of either, they are fundamentally different things.

A lot more goes into loving another person than just wanting to fuck them. Gay relationships don't even need to include sex, same as any other relationship.

The disapproval of homosexuality is because of hatred for weakness and perceived femininity among males and nothing else. No moral argument can actually be made against it.

Then why does it apply to women as well?

[Conserative Morality]

A lot more goes into loving another person than just wanting to fuck them. Gay relationships don't even need to include sex, same as any other relationship.

The disapproval of homosexuality is because of hatred for weakness and perceived femininity among males and nothing else. No moral argument can actually be made against it.

Then why does it apply to women as well?

Fear of the sexuality of women is nothing new.

[Mujahidah]

Then why does it apply to women as well?

Fear of the sexuality of women is nothing new.

If homosexual activity is prohibited of both men and women, its silly to chalk it up as "hatred for weakness."

[Reikoku]

Then why does it apply to women as well?

Fear of the sexuality of women is nothing new.

Isn't most of the Bible and Quran both largely silent on the issues of same-sex female sexuality? Not surprising considering who they were written for.

[The Grims]

Fear of the sexuality of women is nothing new.

If homosexual activity is prohibited of both men and women, its silly to chalk it up as "hatred for weakness."

Not if the reasons for the prohibition differ.

[Kubumba Tribe]

In Iran. In almost every other muslim country they are thrown on one heap, and usually considered sub-human or deserving of death.

Only in Iran? Also, what? Deserving of death?

Yeah, Muslim-majority countries have gone haywire unfortunately.
As for Muslims supporting transgenderism, that's wrong. the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah speak against it. I also think it's inconsistent to support the T and not the LGB.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Fear of the sexuality of women is nothing new.

Isn't most of the Bible and Quran both largely silent on the issues of same-sex female sexuality? Not surprising considering who they were written for.

Both sexes can't engage in homosexual relations and intercourse, and Holy Qur'an was recited for all people, in all times.

[Datlofff]

In Iran. In almost every other muslim country they are thrown on one heap, and usually considered sub-human or deserving of death.

Only in Iran? Also, what? Deserving of death?

In Saudi Arabia:
"Under the country’s interpretation of sharia law, a married man engaging in sodomy or any non-Muslim who commits sodomy with a Muslim can be stoned to death. All sex outside of marriage is illegal."

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Isn't most of the Bible and Quran both largely silent on the issues of same-sex female sexuality? Not surprising considering who they were written for.

Both sexes can't engage in homosexual relations and intercourse, and Holy Qur'an was recited for all people, in all times.

Why though? Why can't they engage in homosexual intercourse? What is wrong with it?

[Geneviev]

Only in Iran? Also, what? Deserving of death?

In Saudi Arabia:
"Under the country’s interpretation of sharia law, a married man engaging in sodomy or any non-Muslim who commits sodomy with a Muslim can be stoned to death. All sex outside of marriage is illegal."

Oh dear. Okay.

[Thermodolia]

Both sexes can't engage in homosexual relations and intercourse, and Holy Qur'an was recited for all people, in all times.

Why though? Why can't they engage in homosexual intercourse? What is wrong with it?

Because it goes against muh religion