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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Ghuraba Al-Khorusani
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:44 pm

Mahdistan wrote:Honest question for Islamic Government; assuming you're an ISIS supporter (a pretty safe assumption, I think), how do you justify the massive losses you've incurred in Iraq and Syria? Do you believe that the caliphate is simply unable to to retake the two states, or do you still think they have a chance of winning?

You do know that, it is said in Surah Ar-Rum it does cover topics such as who Allah gives victory to from amongst Muslims and non-Muslims, and if they lose it wouldn't be the first time a 'Caliphate' would have lost. For example look at the Mongol conquest of Baghdad or the wars of Ridda fought where several revoked their Bayat to the Rashidun Khilafa. I'm not trying to promote any group here but in theory these would be justifications, also if we look at what is said about the coming of Al-Youm it is said Sham will be ruled by Sufyani and he will fight two factions and they will be defeated until their armies are in Damascus in the Mosque of Al-Manra Al-Bayda (The White Minaret), there Isa (AS) will come down and Mehdi will be leading the Muslims in prayer. It is also said as a sign of the end when Juj and Yajuj come and reign terror across the world killing Muslims and spreading injustice and shooting their arrows in the air, this implies a massive defeat of Muslims across the globe, so to think because a group of Muslims lose a battle means they do not have the favor of Aza wa Jal is an incorrect way of thinking from the Fiqh and Aqeedah of the basics of Islam derived from the Sunnah of Rasloolillah (SAAWS).

Hadith evidence of the Sufyani
Abu Hurayrah has narrated that the Prophet said:

A man will emerge from the depths of Damascus. He will be called Sufyani. Most of those who follow him will be from the tribe of Kalb. He will kill by ripping the stomachs of women and even kill the children. A man from my family will appear in the Haram, the news of his advent will reach the Sufyani and he will send to him one of his armies. He (referring to the Mahdi) will defeat them. They will then travel with whoever remains until they come to a desert and they will be swallowed. None will be saved except the one who had informed the others about them. (Mustadrak Al-Hakim)
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:00 pm

Alsheb wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:I'm actually very happy that Trump is going to ban Muslims from the USA. I hope European leaders will follow his path.

Finally the true face of the West is becoming evident and Muslims will not be fooled anymore....


I wouldn't rejoice in it, as it is a quite terrible thing for basically everyone involved. But yes, it does show the US policy towards Muslims quite clearly. The advantage of Trump is that he is terrible at masquerading who he really is, whereas Obama was a master of disguise, pretending to care about Muslims while bombing them every single day for eight years straight.

A lot of Muslims complain that their countries aren't prospering, and they aren't it's no secret. Everyone calls the Islamic countries 'backwash nations' and all this other nonsense. The reason is called brain-drain they should improve their countries, look at the Gulf states whether you hate them or not the facts are they have an educate population with few people leaving and more people going so they prosper as a result of the influx of aid. America prospered this way as well if Einstein never came from Switzerland and the other Manhattan project engineers never came from Hungary and other European countries. There would be no Atomic bomb or nuclear energy or a lot of the technology we take for granted today. Trump's election is part of the plan designed by the Almighty one, never would he allow us to suffer or be tormented in such a way everything he does for us is done with perfect knowledge, we must accept our fate and Ilm of Allah this is his Qadr and Rahmat.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:12 pm

Islamic Government wrote:I'm actually very happy that Trump is going to ban Muslims from the USA. I hope European leaders will follow his path.

Finally the true face of the West is becoming evident and Muslims will not be fooled anymore....


ANd will see that even Trumps orange imbecile face is much prettier than that of Islam ?
We indeed can only hope.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:13 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:I'm actually very happy that Trump is going to ban Muslims from the USA. I hope European leaders will follow his path.

Finally the true face of the West is becoming evident and Muslims will not be fooled anymore....


ANd will see that even Trumps orange imbecile face is much prettier than that of Islam ?
We indeed can only hope.

Yes he will be indeed.
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Postby Ghuraba Al-Khorusani » Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:21 pm

Alsheb wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:
But Russia and Assad have plenty of justifications to kill Sunni women and children, right?


Difference being that there is no deliberate targeting of women and children by Syrian forces, contrary to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, two civilian targets that were specifically chosen with full knowledge of their lack of military importance.

Also, the idea that people are targeted in Syria for being Sunni is laughable, as the majority of the Syrian Arab Army consists out of Sunnis as well. And lastly, this is a civil war that was initiated by the "rebels" back in 2011, in which the Syrian army is doing nothing less than taking back territory that was captured by terrorist forces in the past five years.

"Sunni" by the standards of apostates, any Muslim upon the Sunnah of the Quran and Hadith would not take such slander to our religion seriously. They are not from our religion and we are innocent of their crimes and their apostasy.
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Postby Islamic Government » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:27 am

Alsheb wrote:
Difference being that there is no deliberate targeting of women and children by Syrian forces


False.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... yrian-war/
http://orient-news.net/en/news_show/112 ... ms-al-Waer
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c2b_141 ... comments=1


as the majority of the Syrian Arab Army consists out of Sunnis as well.


Sunnis don't fight against their brothers. If they do, they are not Sunnis anymore. "Sunni" means "follower of the Sunnah" and the Assad regime has nothing to do with the Sunnah.


And lastly, this is a civil war that was initiated by the "rebels" back in 2011, in which the Syrian army is doing nothing less than taking back territory that was captured by terrorist forces in the past five years.


Actually the war started because Assad started bombing pacific protesters.
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Postby Gondolaulus » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:46 am

Opressors must go - irrelevant if they are Muslim or not. I support the initial revolt against Assad but it got hijacked into a sectarian war by most Gulf States and NATO(TM).

And if there is something the enemies of Islam love, it's dividing us.
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Postby Islamic Government » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:49 am

Gondolaulus wrote:
And if there is something the enemies of Islam love, it's dividing us.


No doubt about it. That's why the French brought the Shia Alawites to power in Syria after the fall of the Ottoman Caliphate, and that's why the USA is helping the Shia iranian terrorists in Iraq.
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Postby Gondolaulus » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:56 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Gondolaulus wrote:
And if there is something the enemies of Islam love, it's dividing us.


No doubt about it. That's why the French brought the Shia Alawites to power in Syria after the fall of the Ottoman Caliphate, and that's why the USA is helping the Shia iranian terrorists in Iraq.

You're aware that Al-Sistani gave a fatwa prohibiting war crimes against any civilian - Shia or not?

If you mean the PMU as Shia terrorists - there are 50.000 Sunnis serving it.
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Postby Islamic Government » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:04 am

Gondolaulus wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:
No doubt about it. That's why the French brought the Shia Alawites to power in Syria after the fall of the Ottoman Caliphate, and that's why the USA is helping the Shia iranian terrorists in Iraq.

You're aware that Al-Sistani gave a fatwa prohibiting war crimes against any civilian - Shia or not?

If you mean the PMU as Shia terrorists - there are 50.000 Sunnis serving it.


The PMU's leaders are Shia it is a mainly Shia group. And btw, as for the "Sunnis" serving it, see what I wrote about Assad's army.

I could list the war crimes committed by the Shia in Iraq, but I think Nationstates' servers don't have enough space.
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Postby Gondolaulus » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:08 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Gondolaulus wrote:You're aware that Al-Sistani gave a fatwa prohibiting war crimes against any civilian - Shia or not?

If you mean the PMU as Shia terrorists - there are 50.000 Sunnis serving it.


The PMU's leaders are Shia it is a mainly Shia group. And btw, as for the "Sunnis" serving it, see what I wrote about Assad's army.

I could list the war crimes committed by the Shia in Iraq, but I think Nationstates' servers don't have enough space.

It's hard to acknowlidge that ISIS is one of the opressors isn' it?

There are reasons why thousands ensign into the PMU, Peshmerga, YPG etc. It's the one in a lifetime choices to REALLY die a martyr ;)
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Postby Islamic Government » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:16 am

Gondolaulus wrote:It's hard to acknowlidge that ISIS is one of the opressors isn' it?


The only oppressor I see in Iraq is the Iraqi puppet government. But I recognise it's a matter of points of view.


There are reasons why thousands ensign into the PMU


Yeah, most of these reasons are paid in cash.


Peshmerga, YPG etc. It's the one in a lifetime choices to REALLY die a martyr ;)


Martyr? Oh, didn't know that those who fight to protect Secularism, Feminism, Zina, Homosexuality, Promiscuity, Shirk and Asabiyyah are martyrs according to Islam.
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Postby Alsheb » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:55 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Martyr? Oh, didn't know that those who fight to protect Secularism, Feminism, Zina, Homosexuality, Promiscuity, Shirk and Asabiyyah are martyrs according to Islam.


Funny. I didn't know that people who engage in sexual slavery of underage boys and girls were considered martyrs either.
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Postby Islamic Government » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:01 am

Alsheb wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:
Martyr? Oh, didn't know that those who fight to protect Secularism, Feminism, Zina, Homosexuality, Promiscuity, Shirk and Asabiyyah are martyrs according to Islam.


Funny. I didn't know that people who engage in sexual slavery of underage boys and girls were considered martyrs either.


You watch way too much Fox News/CNN
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Postby Alsheb » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:20 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
Funny. I didn't know that people who engage in sexual slavery of underage boys and girls were considered martyrs either.


You watch way too much Fox News/CNN


Unlikely, considering the fact that both Fox and CNN actually support your Syrian "rebel" friends.
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Postby Islamic Government » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:28 am

Alsheb wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:
You watch way too much Fox News/CNN


Unlikely, considering the fact that both Fox and CNN actually support your Syrian "rebel" friends.


But they also support your Iraqi Shia friends and your Kurdish YPG/Peshmerga "heroes"....
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Postby Itoshiki » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:12 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
Funny. I didn't know that people who engage in sexual slavery of underage boys and girls were considered martyrs either.


You watch way too much Fox News/CNN

Hey, I thought you don't mind it! I even recorded the admission in my sig lol
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Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:45 am

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh Ghuraba! Welcome back! :lol:
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:47 am

Alsheb, the Syrian army has caused a lot of casualties in this civil war. With that said, some 'rebels' aren't doing well either.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jan 31, 2017 5:48 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
Unlikely, considering the fact that both Fox and CNN actually support your Syrian "rebel" friends.


But they also support your Iraqi Shia friends and your Kurdish YPG/Peshmerga "heroes"....

Agreed. If the factions are not fighting for Al-Islam, they don't have my support.
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Postby Gondolaulus » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:04 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
Funny. I didn't know that people who engage in sexual slavery of underage boys and girls were considered martyrs either.


You watch way too much Fox News/CNN

Lel, because all bad things that Daesh does has to be propaganda!

Cool you admit that Shias fight for Islamic values
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Postby Islamic Government » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:35 am

Gondolaulus wrote:
Cool you admit that Shias fight for Islamic values


Didn't know that Secularism, Feminism, Adultery, Homosexuality, Promiscuity, Idolatry and Nationalism are Islamic values.

I guess Charles Manson is the Mahdi according to your strandards.
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Postby Senegalboy » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:47 pm

salam wa alaykum everyone

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:01 pm

Islamic Government wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
Funny. I didn't know that people who engage in sexual slavery of underage boys and girls were considered martyrs either.

You watch way too much Fox News/CNN

The Independent

RT


NBC

New York Post

American Herald Tribune

Daily Mail

Al-Masdar News

Any of these sources trustworthy to you? How about any of these?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:53 pm

Senegalboy wrote:salam wa alaykum everyone

Wa'Alaikum Assalam! I'm back and better than ever!
How are you?
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