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by **Al-Ismailiyya** » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:33 pm

El Hamidah wrote:
Genivaria wrote:If Zakat and Jizya are the same then why the need for different labels?

because the people paying jizyah aren't Muslim. That's the only difference theoretically.

Also the purpose that they were used for.

by **Kubumba Tribe** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:49 am

Again, jizyah is not supposed to be oppressive.

by **Larin** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:58 am

السلام وعليكم

Does anyone here know a good halal scanner which can scan all products? Because i am trying to scan Dutch food products but my halal scanner says they can't find the product

by **El-Amin Caliphate** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:06 am

Larin wrote:السلام وعليكم

Does anyone here know a good halal scanner which can scan all products? Because i am trying to scan Dutch food products but my halal scanner says they can't find the product

وعَلَيْكُم السَّلام

Sorry, can't help you there. Maybe try scanning with a different app?

by **Aellex** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:10 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:Again, jizyah is not supposed to be oppressive.

Qur’an 9:29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

"I-i-it's not supposed to be oppressive tho guys, I-i swear!"

by **The Xenopolis Confederation** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:19 am

Mujahidah wrote:
Lower Nubia wrote:faith forced upon them

That's not how Islam works, dude.

Don't project Charlemagne onto us.

"That's not how Islam works, dude."

That's admirable on paper, yet iirc the quran then goes onto give non-believers dhimmi status in majority Muslim nations, which basically means they're second class citizens.

"Don't project Charlemagne onto us"

She says, neglecting the fact that the forced Islam section is twice as long as the forced Christianity section.

by **The Xenopolis Confederation** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:23 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:Again, jizyah is not supposed to be oppressive.

If treating people legally inequitably because of their personal beliefs is not oppressive, I don't know what is. Intentions and suppositions be damned.

by **El-Amin Caliphate** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:36 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
That's not how Islam works, dude.

Don't project Charlemagne onto us.

"That's not how Islam works, dude."

That's admirable on paper, yet iirc the quran then goes onto give non-believers dhimmi status in majority Muslim nations, which basically means they're second class citizens.

False

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Again, jizyah is not supposed to be oppressive.

If treating people legally inequitably

It's not inequitable.

by **The Xenopolis Confederation** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:00 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:"That's not how Islam works, dude."

That's admirable on paper, yet iirc the quran then goes onto give non-believers dhimmi status in majority Muslim nations, which basically means they're second class citizens.

False
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:If treating people legally inequitably

It's not inequitable.

Paying more tax is inequitable.

by **Al-Ismailiyya** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:02 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:False

It's not inequitable.

Paying more tax is inequitable.

See, but again, there's nothing to back up the assertion that the tax would be more. There's nothing requiring or even saying that the jizyah should be more than the zakat.

by **The Xenopolis Confederation** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:06 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Paying more tax is inequitable.

See, but again, there's nothing to back up the assertion that the tax would be more. There's nothing requiring or even saying that the jizyah should be more than the zakat.

Why would they have a different tax code if it was the same amount?

by **Al-Ismailiyya** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:14 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:See, but again, there's nothing to back up the assertion that the tax would be more. There's nothing requiring or even saying that the jizyah should be more than the zakat.

Why would they have a different tax code if it was the same amount?

Because they are collected from different areas, have different exemptions, and are used for different purposes?

by **Mike the Progressive** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 8:01 pm

El Hamidah wrote:
Mike the Progressive wrote:
And doing coloring books together.

Don't tase my dog, bro.

by **The Knockout Gun Gals** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:27 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Not saying that they're the same. They're two different taxes on two different groups that serve two different purposes. But if a non-Muslim converts simply to escape jizya, they still have to pay the zakat which nullifies the whole "reduced tax" thing.

Who pays more? The Muslim or the Kafir?

The Kafir, methinks. As far as I know, they pay more in Jizya form.

by **Genivaria** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:59 pm

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Who pays more? The Muslim or the Kafir?

The Kafir, methinks. As far as I know, they pay more in Jizya form.

Well there ya go, it is a means of oppression that encourages conversion.

by **El-Amin Caliphate** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:45 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Who pays more? The Muslim or the Kafir?

The Kafir, methinks. As far as I know, they pay more in Jizya form.

False.

by **HR Manager** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:50 am

What's this thread's opinion of Erdogan?

by **Larin** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:02 am

HR Manager wrote:What's this thread's opinion of Erdogan?

I think he is actually a good leader, but i would prefer a Khalifah, and Erdogan is just in favor of a Islamic Republic of Turkey, and he is in favor of restoring the Ottoman Empire

by **El-Amin Caliphate** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:19 am

HR Manager wrote:What's this thread's opinion of Erdogan?

So-so for me. In some ways he's good, in others, not so much. But Idk much about him either, so I can't pass judgement.

by **Genivaria** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:06 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
The Kafir, methinks. As far as I know, they pay more in Jizya form.

False.

Oh you can show a source than?

by **Mujahidah** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:12 am

HR Manager wrote:What's this thread's opinion of Erdogan?

I rather dislike him, personally.

by **Aulus Maximus** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:40 am

Larin wrote:السلام وعليكم

Does anyone here know a good halal scanner which can scan all products? Because i am trying to scan Dutch food products but my halal scanner says they can't find the product

MuslimPRO has a locator for halal shops.

HR Manager wrote:What's this thread's opinion of Erdogan?

He goes too fast and causes a brain drain.

Larin wrote:
HR Manager wrote:What's this thread's opinion of Erdogan?

I think he is actually a good leader, but i would prefer a Khalifah, and Erdogan is just in favor of a Islamic Republic of Turkey, and he is in favor of restoring the Ottoman Empire

The Ottoman Empire had a Khilafah. The King of Morocco is a Caliph as well.

by **Mujahidah** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:51 am

Aulus Maximus wrote:The King of Morocco is a Caliph as well.

I wasn't aware that he referred to himself as such.

by **Aulus Maximus** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:52 am

Mujahidah wrote:
Aulus Maximus wrote:The King of Morocco is a Caliph as well.

I wasn't aware that he referred to himself as such.

Here you go

by **Mujahidah** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:53 am

Aulus Maximus wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
I wasn't aware that he referred to himself as such.

Here you go

Now that's a development.

Unfortunately for Mohammad VI calling yourself "Khalifa" doesn't automatically make you rightfully a Caliph.

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