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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:54 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:What is 'dab'?

The dab is a hiphop dance pose. Xeno is being facetious and sarcastic.

It's also a way to snort cocaine lol
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Al-Ismailiyya
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:55 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Nah, m8. You have no rights. The government's power should be absolute.

*dab*

What is 'dab'?

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This is a dab. He's just being facetious.

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Al-Ismailiyya
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:58 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The dab is a hiphop dance pose. Xeno is being facetious and sarcastic.

It's also a way to snort cocaine lol

Or the term for smoking hash oil

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Al-Ismailiyya
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Mon Mar 19, 2018 12:59 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
So, it's just coincidence, if such group is, for example, Salafist, too?

Middle Eastern politics are just bloody.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and ... a_massacre

Christianity only became a tame religion with the Peace of Westphalia. A similar arrangement in the Middle East would probably fix things.

Isn't that the one that stated that the religion of the ruler determined the religion of the state?

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:02 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Middle Eastern politics are just bloody.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and ... a_massacre

Christianity only became a tame religion with the Peace of Westphalia. A similar arrangement in the Middle East would probably fix things.

Isn't that the one that stated that the religion of the ruler determined the religion of the state?

Yes, and that other rulers had no business interfering or funding different sects within one's state. Which I think is entirely fine, since a state religion does not necessitate purging those of another faith, it just means they can receive no foreign support from their coreligionists if they engage in treason.
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:04 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Isn't that the one that stated that the religion of the ruler determined the religion of the state?

Yes, and that other rulers had no business interfering or funding different sects within one's state. Which I think is entirely fine, since a state religion does not necessitate purging those of another faith, it just means they can receive no foreign support from their coreligionists if they engage in treason.

Well, that's not gonna happen lol. The Saudis are going to keep funding Salafists. The Iranians are going to keep funding Shia.

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Postby Aillyria » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:06 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The dab is a hiphop dance pose. Xeno is being facetious and sarcastic.

It's also a way to snort cocaine lol

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's also a way to snort cocaine lol

Or the term for smoking hash oil

Wtf?!? :shock:
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:08 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Yes, and that other rulers had no business interfering or funding different sects within one's state. Which I think is entirely fine, since a state religion does not necessitate purging those of another faith, it just means they can receive no foreign support from their coreligionists if they engage in treason.

Well, that's not gonna happen lol. The Saudis are going to keep funding Salafists. The Iranians are going to keep funding Shia.

Yep, and that is how Europe rolled too until the Thirty Years War made everyone sick of that, and it was ended by the Peace of Westphalia. Westphalian sovereignty is the only fix for the Middle East, but it is not likely to occur soon, because neocons continuously subvert it in the Middle East. Paleocons like myself, however, see Westphalian sovereignty as something we should accept in our foreign policy.
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:12 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's also a way to snort cocaine lol

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Or the term for smoking hash oil

Wtf?!? :shock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_oil#Use

Yup. The dance move is illegal in the KSA because of its drug connotations lol.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Mar 19, 2018 2:40 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The dab is a hiphop dance pose. Xeno is being facetious and sarcastic.

It's also a way to snort cocaine lol

....why do you know this? :p
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's also a way to snort cocaine lol

....why do you know this? :p

I saw it on the news about someone who killed someone else. He called/texted his friend asking if he wanted get some cocaine and do some dabs.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:51 pm

Back in my day 'dabbing' used to be gently applying a cloth coated with a cream, or moisture.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:11 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Aillyria wrote:
Wtf?!? :shock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_oil#Use

Yup. The dance move is illegal in the KSA because of its drug connotations lol.

So, dabbing is banned in Saudi Arabia?
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:15 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash_oil#Use

Yup. The dance move is illegal in the KSA because of its drug connotations lol.

So, dabbing is banned in Saudi Arabia?

Isn't that what I just said?

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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:16 pm

What do you think about Saudi Arabia and their new reformations program, like cinema being allowed, and women being allowed to driving, basically diversifying economy and allowing more women's rights?
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TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:27 pm

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:What do you think about Saudi Arabia and their new reformations program, like cinema being allowed, and women being allowed to driving, basically diversifying economy and allowing more women's rights?

I really hope that it is genuine and not just good boy politics by MBS.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:29 pm

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:What do you think about Saudi Arabia and their new reformations program, like cinema being allowed, and women being allowed to driving, basically diversifying economy and allowing more women's rights?

Slowly making their way to the 1800's I see. Progress.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:32 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:What do you think about Saudi Arabia and their new reformations program, like cinema being allowed, and women being allowed to driving, basically diversifying economy and allowing more women's rights?

Slowly making their way to the 1800's I see. Progress.


What are you doing here, Geni? A Muslim as well, like the rest of us? It's great to see one more.
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TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Mujahidah » Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:39 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The dab is a hiphop dance pose. Xeno is being facetious and sarcastic.

It's also a way to snort cocaine lol


I thought it was about weed. I don't smoke/snort so I wouldn't be super familiar.
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Postby Negarakita » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:02 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:What do you think about Saudi Arabia and their new reformations program, like cinema being allowed, and women being allowed to driving, basically diversifying economy and allowing more women's rights?

I find it dumb. He's doing it in a non-Islamic way and is just trying to cuck to the west. Following a different madhab and not the borderline takfiri Salafi sect would allow for the same benefits without kneeling to the west and being a cuck. It's achieving good things but is done in a dumb way. Plus its MBS so I dislike it.
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Postby Mujahidah » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:13 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:What do you think about Saudi Arabia and their new reformations program, like cinema being allowed, and women being allowed to driving, basically diversifying economy and allowing more women's rights?


I'm pretty fine with it, though I can guess because this is, after all, the House of Saud, its all just a bunch of political maneuvering.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:36 am

Negarakita wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:What do you think about Saudi Arabia and their new reformations program, like cinema being allowed, and women being allowed to driving, basically diversifying economy and allowing more women's rights?

I find it dumb. He's doing it in a non-Islamic way and is just trying to cuck to the west. Following a different madhab and not the borderline takfiri Salafi sect would allow for the same benefits without kneeling to the west and being a cuck. It's achieving good things but is done in a dumb way. Plus its MBS so I dislike it.


Then again, it is really needed. Oil price is not going up in near future, at least that's what we know. Meaning sooner or later Saudi Arabia needs to find a solution for diversification of economy, since reliance on oil is never the best idea. Also, he's trying to curb the conservative faction within Saudi Arabia since they are not in the line with his modernism and reform mindset.

Also, what's MBS?
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TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Negarakita » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:40 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Negarakita wrote:I find it dumb. He's doing it in a non-Islamic way and is just trying to cuck to the west. Following a different madhab and not the borderline takfiri Salafi sect would allow for the same benefits without kneeling to the west and being a cuck. It's achieving good things but is done in a dumb way. Plus its MBS so I dislike it.


Then again, it is really needed. Oil price is not going up in near future, at least that's what we know. Meaning sooner or later Saudi Arabia needs to find a solution for diversification of economy, since reliance on oil is never the best idea. Also, he's trying to curb the conservative faction within Saudi Arabia since they are not in the line with his modernism and reform mindset.

Also, what's MBS?

I like the economic diversification. That's definitely needed.

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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:46 am

Negarakita wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Then again, it is really needed. Oil price is not going up in near future, at least that's what we know. Meaning sooner or later Saudi Arabia needs to find a solution for diversification of economy, since reliance on oil is never the best idea. Also, he's trying to curb the conservative faction within Saudi Arabia since they are not in the line with his modernism and reform mindset.

Also, what's MBS?

I like the economic diversification. That's definitely needed.

Ah, okay.

Yes, it is definitely needed, especially for oil producer. Venezuela was a failed nation partially because their overreliance with Oil. Let's hope Saudi not going that way and also able to erase their image as "Terrorist backers", since that kind of image disrupted their investment potentials as well.

MBS = Mohamed bin Salman
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
TriStates wrote:Covenant declare a crusade, and wage jihad against the UNSC and Insurrectionists for 30 years.

So Covenant declare a crusade and then wage jihad? :p

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Postby Negarakita » Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:50 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Negarakita wrote:I like the economic diversification. That's definitely needed.

Ah, okay.

Yes, it is definitely needed, especially for oil producer. Venezuela was a failed nation partially because their overreliance with Oil. Let's hope Saudi not going that way and also able to erase their image as "Terrorist backers", since that kind of image disrupted their investment potentials as well.

MBS = Mohamed bin Salman

To be fair, the weakening of the Saudi regime is a good thing if it can result in better people taking power.
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