Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Genivaria]

Do you believe in faries? In vampires?

Belief in God and belief in faries/vampires are not the same thing, and they never have been.

I disagree but I'll skip to my point, do you think it's reasonable to automatically believe something until it is disprove, or to disbelieve something until it is proven?

[Socialist Czechia]

I never understood the trinity. (and I tried, I had 3 hours of Catholic bishop trying to explain me that - only verbal torment to him)
Why the jesus couldn't be 'just' the prophet or demi-god? ancient christianity was understandable enough

At least muslims don't claim to see miracles, angels and light of god on literally every major occasion...and their prophet didn't changed sand to gold or was shot by 50 arrows and laughed or any stuff like that.

Angels make a number of noteworthy appearances in the Koran (or at least in major events in the history of early Islam), if I recall correctly.

But Christians more than slightly often claim to actually see them or hear them. Like, really see and hear them. And claiming actual miracles. Real miracles happening. All the time.

Something not much heard in muslim areas.

[Genivaria]

Angels make a number of noteworthy appearances in the Koran (or at least in major events in the history of early Islam), if I recall correctly.

But Christians more than slightly often claim to actually see them or hear them. Like, really see and hear them. And claiming actual miracles. Real miracles happening. All the time.

Something not much heard in muslim areas.

Would Muhammad appearing on a piece of toast be blasphemy? Is a joke.

[Socialist Czechia]

But Christians more than slightly often claim to actually see them or hear them. Like, really see and hear them. And claiming actual miracles. Real miracles happening. All the time.

Something not much heard in muslim areas.

Would Muhammad appearing on a piece of toast be blasphemy? Is a joke.

Probably why he banned portraits, because he totally imagined himself on worshipped golden icons with beard like Zeus or Wotan.

Unfortunately, muslims tends to overreact and be oversensitive when you try to explain such context, that overreaction is unnecessary.

[Mujahidah]

claiming

This word is the most important one in your post. Just because they claim a miracle happened doesn't mean its actually a miracle.

[Socialist Czechia]

claiming

This word is the most important one in your post. Just because they claim a miracle happened doesn't mean its actually a miracle.

I know there's a process to make it 'legit 100% miracle', but unless water in Lourdes can heal literally anyone from anything, it's epic fail.

If I throw person with HIV or cancer to that water and it fails, it's a Fail with big F and proof to the contrary.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Would Muhammad appearing on a piece of toast be blasphemy? Is a joke.

Probably why he banned portraits, because he totally imagined himself on worshipped golden icons with beard like Zeus or Wotan.

Unfortunately, muslims tends to overreact and be oversensitive when you try to explain such context, that overreaction is unnecessary.

What are you talking about "overreacting"?

[Mujahidah]

Probably why he banned portraits, because he totally imagined himself on worshipped golden icons with beard like Zeus or Wotan.

Unfortunately, muslims tends to overreact and be oversensitive when you try to explain such context, that overreaction is unnecessary.

What are you talking about "overreacting"?

Czechia is arguing in favor of legit neo-Crusades in the CDT. I'd suggest not letting his opinions bother you.

[Socialist Czechia]

Probably why he banned portraits, because he totally imagined himself on worshipped golden icons with beard like Zeus or Wotan.

Unfortunately, muslims tends to overreact and be oversensitive when you try to explain such context, that overreaction is unnecessary.

What are you talking about "overreacting"?

Not talking just about knives, shoes or grenades, as you can imagine is totally 'overreaction'.

You can't spit on a person or destroy his window or do anything similar, just because he made a joke about your religion.
That's all overreaction too. And list can be longer.

I am not saying you are unable to withstand such thing, but way too many of your comrades don't.

[Mujahidah]

What are you talking about "overreacting"?

Not talking just about knives, shoes or grenades, as you can imagine is totally 'overreaction'.

You can't spit on a person or destroy his window or do anything similar, just because he made a joke about your religion.
That's all overreaction too. And list can be longer.

I am not saying you are unable to withstand such thing, but way too many of your comrades don't.

Stones in Glass Houses

[Socialist Czechia]

What are you talking about "overreacting"?

Czechia is arguing in favor of legit neo-Crusades in the CDT. I'd suggest not letting his opinions bother you.

Not liking Turks or Salafists still doesn't mean i dislike everything on islam.

I could totally live year or two in Morrocco, for example, but not in that Wahhabist nightmare in Arab homeland.

[Socialist Czechia]

Not talking just about knives, shoes or grenades, as you can imagine is totally 'overreaction'.

You can't spit on a person or destroy his window or do anything similar, just because he made a joke about your religion.
That's all overreaction too. And list can be longer.

I am not saying you are unable to withstand such thing, but way too many of your comrades don't.

Stones in Glass Houses

Yes, even that you should ignore. Trolls never lived in a desert, muslims don't know them, unprepared.

[Kubumba Tribe]

What are you talking about "overreacting"?

Not talking just about knives, shoes or grenades, as you can imagine is totally 'overreaction'.

You can't spit on a person or destroy his window or do anything similar, just because he made a joke about your religion.
That's all overreaction too. And list can be longer.

I am not saying you are unable to withstand such thing, but way too many of your comrades don't.

Then people should being rude and learn some respect.
And we aren't "comrades". We're brothers and sisters.

[Mujahidah]

Stones in Glass Houses

Yes, even that you should ignore. Trolls never lived in a desert, muslims don't know them, unprepared.

No no I'm saying that you're "Hurr durr Muslims get too butthurt" schtick is throwing stones in glass houses. Acting as if there aren't Christians that get excessively offended over things that, compared to intentionally drawing the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) solely for the sake of being offensive, are supremely minor shows an obscene lack of introspection.

[Socialist Czechia]

Yes, even that you should ignore. Trolls never lived in a desert, muslims don't know them, unprepared.

No no I'm saying that you're "Hurr durr Muslims get too butthurt" schtick is throwing stones in glass houses. Acting as if there aren't Christians that get excessively offended over things that, compared to intentionally drawing the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) solely for the sake of being offensive, are supremely minor shows an obscene lack of introspection.

Well, my people made jokes about literally anything, even death, God, your mom and racist jokes are popular just as well.

So, the jokes for me are always 'intentionally, solely, for the sake of being offensive' jokes. Non-offensive jokes, frankly, doesn't exist, as you are always making fun of something or someone. Logically.

And as Muhammad is not mine Prophet, nor I absolutely don't care about him, I can make any joke I want about him, primitive or sarcastic one.

If you ignored it, no protests, no destroyed windows or burned flags, other people wouldn't provoke you further trust me, as it would be boring.

[Mujahidah]

No no I'm saying that you're "Hurr durr Muslims get too butthurt" schtick is throwing stones in glass houses. Acting as if there aren't Christians that get excessively offended over things that, compared to intentionally drawing the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) solely for the sake of being offensive, are supremely minor shows an obscene lack of introspection.

Well, my people made jokes about literally anything, even death, God, your mom and racist jokes are popular just as well.

So, the jokes for me are always 'intentionally, solely, for the sake of being offensive' jokes. Non-offensive jokes, frankly, doesn't exist, as you are always making fun of something or someone. Logically.

And as Muhammad is not mine Prophet, nor I absolutely don't care about him, I can make any joke I want about him, primitive or sarcastic one.

If you ignored it, no protests, no destroyed windows or burned flags, other people wouldn't provoke you further trust me, as it would be boring.

Because Christians have never gotten offended over literally nothing.

Seriously. Maybe if people didn't feel the need to go out of their way to be offensive little twats we wouldn't have a problem. I'm not even condoning the violence - I find it despicable, honestly. But going out of your way to do something offensive just because "hurr durr it means nothing to me" doesn't make you funny, clever, or "edgy" - it makes you an asshole. Maybe have some respect for other people? Or is basic human decency too much to ask?

[Kubumba Tribe]

No no I'm saying that you're "Hurr durr Muslims get too butthurt" schtick is throwing stones in glass houses. Acting as if there aren't Christians that get excessively offended over things that, compared to intentionally drawing the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) solely for the sake of being offensive, are supremely minor shows an obscene lack of introspection.

Well, my people made jokes about literally anything, even death, God, your mom and racist jokes are popular just as well.

So, the jokes for me are always 'intentionally, solely, for the sake of being offensive' jokes. Non-offensive jokes, frankly, doesn't exist, as you are always making fun of something or someone. Logically.

And as Muhammad is not mine Prophet, nor I absolutely don't care about him, I can make any joke I want about him, primitive or sarcastic one.

If you ignored it, no protests, no destroyed windows or burned flags, other people wouldn't provoke you further trust me, as it would be boring.

Racist jokes are not respected, 1st off.
And no, we will not be disrespected and ignored.

[Socialist Czechia]

Well, my people made jokes about literally anything, even death, God, your mom and racist jokes are popular just as well.

So, the jokes for me are always 'intentionally, solely, for the sake of being offensive' jokes. Non-offensive jokes, frankly, doesn't exist, as you are always making fun of something or someone. Logically.

And as Muhammad is not mine Prophet, nor I absolutely don't care about him, I can make any joke I want about him, primitive or sarcastic one.

If you ignored it, no protests, no destroyed windows or burned flags, other people wouldn't provoke you further trust me, as it would be boring.

Because Christians have never gotten offended over literally nothing.

Seriously. Maybe if people didn't feel the need to go out of their way to be offensive little twats we wouldn't have a problem. I'm not even condoning the violence - I find it despicable, honestly. But going out of your way to do something offensive just because "hurr durr it means nothing to me" doesn't make you funny, clever, or "edgy" - it makes you an asshole. Maybe have some respect for other people? Or is basic human decency too much to ask?

It doesn't matter if you consider it funny or not - it's my right to make jokes. 'Feeling insulted' is not Human Right. Free speech, however, including jokes, is.

Don't take yourselves so much seriously, people.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Because Christians have never gotten offended over literally nothing.

Seriously. Maybe if people didn't feel the need to go out of their way to be offensive little twats we wouldn't have a problem. I'm not even condoning the violence - I find it despicable, honestly. But going out of your way to do something offensive just because "hurr durr it means nothing to me" doesn't make you funny, clever, or "edgy" - it makes you an asshole. Maybe have some respect for other people? Or is basic human decency too much to ask?

It doesn't matter if you consider it funny or not - it's my right to make jokes. 'Feeling insulted' is not Human Right. Free speech, however, including jokes, is.

Don't take yourselves so much seriously, people.

Smh.
"Free Speech" has bounds. Being disrespectful is stepping over that bound, and is against site rules btw. See how much "muh free speech" gets you then.

[Mujahidah]

It doesn't matter if you consider it funny or not - it's my right to make jokes.

I never said you shouldn't legally be allowed to say stupid and insulting things. I said doing so would make you an asshole. Moral judgment and legal judgement are entirely different things. Please try and actually read, occasionally.

'Feeling insulted' is not Human Right. Free speech, however, including jokes, is.

If I can't feel insulted and say that I think people who go out of their way to offend muslims are being assholes and making society a worse place, and really should stop being drags on society, then I don't have the right to free speech. My free speech matters as much as yours. Stop contradicting yourself.

Don't take yourselves so much seriously, people.

Again with the stone throwing in the glass house

[Socialist Czechia]

If I can't feel insulted and say that I think people who go out of their way to offend muslims are being assholes and making society a worse place, and really should stop being drags on society, then I don't have the right to free speech. My free speech matters as much as yours. Stop contradicting yourself.

It's not contradiction. I saw by my own eyes, what's happening in Britain: butchers are in some streets even afraid to sell pork at all to not 'insult anyone' - you can assume why, when there's many Pakistanis in neighbourhood - and some of them are even bullying citizens in 'Sharia' squads/gangs/guards.

One my compatriot was beaten to death when he laughed loudly to some Muslim in London. Don't know details, but nothing anyone can say to you, literally anything verbal - justifies violence - and certainly not murder.

Appeasement seems making some people only bolder, as they know they are untouchable and they don't fear humane laws.

Free flow of information, free speech is the only safeguard against tyranny. Even jokes.

[Mujahidah]

It's not contradiction. I saw by my own eyes, what's happening in Britain: butchers are in some streets even afraid to sell pork at all to not 'insult anyone' - you can assume why, when there's many Pakistanis in neighbourhood - and some of them are even bullying citizens in 'Sharia' squads/gangs/guards.

Buddy you're gonna have to give me a source. You're own witness, considering how clearly biased you are, isn't worth jack here. Anecdotes in general aren't. Find me legitimate sourcing on this. And no, Fox News, Breitbart, and Britain First don't count.

One my compatriot was beaten to death when he laughed loudly to some Muslim in London. Don't know details, but nothing anyone can say to you, literally anything verbal - justifies violence - and certainly not murder.

This sounds made up. Why don't you find me a newspaper clipping about what would have been a brutal murder and surely would be in some local paper somewhere? I bet you can't, because I bet this didn't happen.

Appeasement seems making some people only bolder, as they know they are untouchable and they don't fear humane laws.

The longer your post goes the more delusional its beginning to sound. This isn't based in any reality.

Free flow of information, free speech is the only safeguard against tyranny. Even jokes.

And by saying I can't object and say "Hey, you're being an asshole, please stop" you are restricting my free speech. Free speech only means the government can't stop you from saying something. I'm allowed to express my offense, and I'm allowed to think that saying some things makes you an asshole. If you say otherwise, you're the one that hates free speech, not me.

[Socialist Czechia]

It's not contradiction. I saw by my own eyes, what's happening in Britain: butchers are in some streets even afraid to sell pork at all to not 'insult anyone' - you can assume why, when there's many Pakistanis in neighbourhood - and some of them are even bullying citizens in 'Sharia' squads/gangs/guards.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 61901.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sha ... 64796.html
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics ... rs-UK-laws

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnMtkwt8HsY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFIPSFIVexM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLU9SH6qYdQ

[Kubumba Tribe]

Appeasement seems making some people only bolder, as they know they are untouchable and they don't fear humane laws.

Like how islamophobes attack and kill Muslims?

[Aillyria]

It doesn't matter if you consider it funny or not - it's my right to make jokes. 'Feeling insulted' is not Human Right. Free speech, however, including jokes, is.

Don't take yourselves so much seriously, people.

Smh.
"Free Speech" has bounds. Being disrespectful is stepping over that bound, and is against site rules btw. See how much "muh free speech" gets you then.

Free Speech does not have bounds. This site doesn't have free speech, so it doesn't apply here. Whatever the mods deem offensive is punished.