Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Albrenia]

Well, to put it simply, atheists don't believe that God exists: they KNOWS he doesn't exist.

Excuse me?

It's actually a bit of a finer definition than that. Some atheists claim they KNOW, some atheists suspect there's no divine beings but are not certain, and others are simply unconvinced by any existing religion or supernatural explanation while remaining open to the possibility of being wrong.

[Northern Davincia]

His very existence goes against the scientific process.

I'm not even an atheist and this answer is bloody easy to come up with.

The scientific process is man made but even then how does it contradict God

The scientific method requires results to be repeatable.

[New haven america]

His very existence goes against the scientific process.

I'm not even an atheist and this answer is bloody easy to come up with.

The scientific process is man made but even then how does it contradict God

Most things are man made, a good example of this would be Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism.

Can you observe God? No. Can you measure God? No. Can you gather data on God? No. Need I continue? These are the most basic points of the process and your not even able to collect that information on him.

[Albrenia]

Can you actually prove God is not real forget established religions like Judaism, Islam, and others can you honestly prove God is not real

His very existence goes against the scientific process.

I'm not even an atheist and this answer is bloody easy to come up with.

You can't disprove something able to change scientific rules, at will, with science.

A god could change the results of experiments without us even knowing. There's literally no gap too small for God to slide away into.

[Socialist Czechia]

I rather think myself as zindiq. That's more accurate in my case.

What? Zindiq is probably as unclear as you can get. It basically just means "unorthodox". It is not relegated to atheists at all. It originally was a Persian word to define heretics and referred to Manichaeans lol.

Yup. That's how I found that word in the first place.

Dualistic universe always seemed like logical explanation for many things.

[Philjia]

Excuse me?

It's actually a bit of a finer definition than that. Some atheists claim they KNOW, some atheists suspect there's no divine beings but are not certain, and others are simply unconvinced by any existing religion or supernatural explanation while remaining open to the possibility of being wrong.

It's been mathematically proven that no internally consistent logical system can be self justifying. Anyone who claims to know anything with absolute certainty is lying or wrong. All we can do is observe our surroundings and make deductions, but they are always underpinned by assumptions.

[Socialist Czechia]

It's actually a bit of a finer definition than that. Some atheists claim they KNOW, some atheists suspect there's no divine beings but are not certain, and others are simply unconvinced by any existing religion or supernatural explanation while remaining open to the possibility of being wrong.

It's been mathematically proven that no internally consistent logical system can be self justifying. Anyone who claims to know anything with absolute certainty is lying or wrong. All we can do is observe our surroundings and make deductions, but they are always underpinned by assumptions.

Well, atheist can tell you that he knows God doesn't exist simply because he never saw anyone walking on clouds, changing water into wine or Zeus-like bearded guy telling him to kill infidels.

Lack of view of it = total non-existence of it. Simple.



Then again, there are people claiming they hear Satan's voice and that's why they took knife. They knows, therefore they don't believe, too

[Shurjah]

The scientific process is man made but even then how does it contradict God

The scientific method requires results to be repeatable.

This is a man made standard, also can you prove that God doesnt exist on that ground?

[Shurjah]

His very existence goes against the scientific process.

I'm not even an atheist and this answer is bloody easy to come up with.

You can't disprove something able to change scientific rules, at will, with science.

A god could change the results of experiments without us even knowing. There's literally no gap too small for God to slide away into.

exactly it is impossible to disprove God

[Shurjah]

The scientific process is man made but even then how does it contradict God

Most things are man made, a good example of this would be Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism.

Can you observe God? No. Can you measure God? No. Can you gather data on God? No. Need I continue? These are the most basic points of the process and your not even able to collect that information on him.

You can do all that but it is a matter of perspective and interpreation

[Northern Davincia]

The scientific method requires results to be repeatable.

This is a man made standard, also can you prove that God doesnt exist on that ground?

Logic and faith are the ways in which man finds God, not the scientific method.

[Socialist Czechia]

You can't disprove something able to change scientific rules, at will, with science.

A god could change the results of experiments without us even knowing. There's literally no gap too small for God to slide away into.

exactly it is impossible to disprove God

Unless Israelis would gone Biblical berserk and nuked everything from Algeria to Pakistan.

But muslims would just said it was a harsh but reasonable test by the god.

[New haven america]

Most things are man made, a good example of this would be Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism.

Can you observe God? No. Can you measure God? No. Can you gather data on God? No. Need I continue? These are the most basic points of the process and your not even able to collect that information on him.

You can do all that but it is a matter of perspective and interpreation

Can you get God on a scale and measure how much he weighs?

[Philjia]

You can't disprove something able to change scientific rules, at will, with science.

A god could change the results of experiments without us even knowing. There's literally no gap too small for God to slide away into.

exactly it is impossible to disprove God

It's also impossible to prove God. Even God can't prove he's God.

[Genivaria]

The scientific method requires results to be repeatable.

This is a man made standard, also can you prove that God doesnt exist on that ground?

Do you believe in faries? In vampires?

[Northern Davincia]

You can do all that but it is a matter of perspective and interpreation

Can you get God on a scale and measure how much he weighs?

We could make estimates based on the Shroud of Turin.

[Socialist Czechia]

Can you get God on a scale and measure how much he weighs?

We could make estimates based on the Shroud of Turin.

Wouldn't that be only 1/3 of god?

[Hakons]

This is a man made standard, also can you prove that God doesnt exist on that ground?

Do you believe in faries? In vampires?

Belief in God and belief in faries/vampires are not the same thing, and they never have been.

[Hakons]

We could make estimates based on the Shroud of Turin.

Wouldn't that be only 1/3 of god?

Christ was fully God, though discussions of the Trinity are best for the CDT

[Northern Davincia]

We could make estimates based on the Shroud of Turin.

Wouldn't that be only 1/3 of god?

No, that's partialist heresy.

[Genivaria]

exactly it is impossible to disprove God

It's also impossible to prove God. Even God can't prove he's God.

Honestly if a real being could do even half of the magic in the Bible than I'd be so outpowered I wouldn't really care what they called themselves.

[Socialist Czechia]

Wouldn't that be only 1/3 of god?

Christ was fully God, though discussions of the Trinity are best for the CDT

I never understood the trinity. (and I tried, I had 3 hours of Catholic bishop trying to explain me that - only verbal torment to him)
Why the jesus couldn't be 'just' the prophet or demi-god? ancient christianity was understandable enough

At least muslims don't claim to see miracles, angels and light of god on literally every major occasion...and their prophet didn't changed sand to gold or was shot by 50 arrows and laughed or any stuff like that.

[Philjia]

Christ was fully God, though discussions of the Trinity are best for the CDT

I never understood the trinity. (and I tried, I had 3 hours of Catholic bishop trying to explain me that - only verbal torment to him)
Why the jesus couldn't be 'just' the prophet or demi-god? ancient christianity was understandable enough

At least muslims don't claim to see miracles, angels and light of god on literally every major occasion...and their prophet didn't changed sand to gold or was shot by 50 arrows and laughed or any stuff like that.

There's the slightly unbelievable anecdote about the cave and the spider.

[Northern Davincia]

Christ was fully God, though discussions of the Trinity are best for the CDT

I never understood the trinity. (and I tried, I had 3 hours of Catholic bishop trying to explain me that - only verbal torment to him)
Why the jesus couldn't be 'just' the prophet or demi-god? ancient christianity was understandable enough

At least muslims don't claim to see miracles, angels and light of god on literally every major occasion...and their prophet didn't changed sand to gold or was shot by 50 arrows and laughed or any stuff like that.

Angels make a number of noteworthy appearances in the Koran (or at least in major events in the history of early Islam), if I recall correctly.

[Albrenia]

Christ was fully God, though discussions of the Trinity are best for the CDT

I never understood the trinity. (and I tried, I had 3 hours of Catholic bishop trying to explain me that - only verbal torment to him)
Why the jesus couldn't be 'just' the prophet or demi-god? ancient christianity was understandable enough

At least muslims don't claim to see miracles, angels and light of god on literally every major occasion...and their prophet didn't changed sand to gold or was shot by 50 arrows and laughed or any stuff like that.

Well, I mean, he did have an awesome flying horse, I've been told.