Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Muslims know what atheism is, we're not stupid.

As far as I understand, 'kafir' is not proper word, as you suppose kafir believe in something: while atheist don't believe in absolutely anything. It's lack of any religious stuff. Nothing here.

Is there an Arab term for such person?

Kafir means disbeliever.

[Shurjah]

Muslims know what atheism is, we're not stupid.

As far as I understand, 'kafir' is not proper word, as you suppose kafir believe in something: while atheist don't believe in absolutely anything. It's lack of any religious stuff. Nothing here.

Is there an Arab term for such person?

Mulhidoun means atheists

[Albrenia]

Mulhidoun is a pretty badass word.

[Socialist Czechia]

As far as I understand, 'kafir' is not proper word, as you suppose kafir believe in something: while atheist don't believe in absolutely anything. It's lack of any religious stuff. Nothing here.

Is there an Arab term for such person?

Khafir is just a general term for non-Muslim. Wikipedia puts it as "Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār; feminine كافرة kāfirah) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R "to cover") meaning "one who covers the truth". The term[1] alludes to a person who rejects or disbelieves in God according to the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad,[2] and denies the dominion and authority of God, thus often translated with "infidels".

Yes, but historically, it was used to heretics and polytheists and now, you can still use towards anyone who's not (Sunni) Muslim.

But it's always about person of another religion and atheism is not religion, it's a state of non-existence of any religious thinking.

[Shurjah]

Mulhidoun is a pretty badass word.

how?

[Shurjah]

Khafir is just a general term for non-Muslim. Wikipedia puts it as "Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār; feminine كافرة kāfirah) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R "to cover") meaning "one who covers the truth". The term[1] alludes to a person who rejects or disbelieves in God according to the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad,[2] and denies the dominion and authority of God, thus often translated with "infidels".

Yes, but historically, it was used to heretics and polytheists and now, you can still use towards anyone who's not (Sunni) Muslim.

But it's always about person of another religion and atheism is not religion, it's a state of non-existence of any religious thinking.

You are an infedel an infedel is a non Muslim regardless of their belief you just want to attack us by using this as a way to make us look unsophisticated

[Socialist Czechia]

As far as I understand, 'kafir' is not proper word, as you suppose kafir believe in something: while atheist don't believe in absolutely anything. It's lack of any religious stuff. Nothing here.

Is there an Arab term for such person?

Mulhidoun means atheists

No, that's infidel, which is bad option, since it's majority of mankind

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Khafir is just a general term for non-Muslim. Wikipedia puts it as "Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār; feminine كافرة kāfirah) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R "to cover") meaning "one who covers the truth". The term[1] alludes to a person who rejects or disbelieves in God according to the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad,[2] and denies the dominion and authority of God, thus often translated with "infidels".

Yes, but historically, it was used to heretics and polytheists and now, you can still use towards anyone who's not (Sunni) Muslim.

But it's always about person of another religion and atheism is not religion, it's a state of non-existence of any religious thinking.

Not necessarily, dude. Me, you, a Hindu, and a Buddhist would all be "khafir" one and the same.

[Shurjah]

Mulhidoun means atheists

No, that's infidel, which is bad option, since it's majority of mankind

We use it for atheists and to be honest I dont care if you dont like it

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Mulhidoun means atheists

No, that's infidel, which is bad option, since it's majority of mankind

Shurjah is a native Arabic speaker, dude. Pretty sure he'd know better about this particular subject. And, from my limited knowledge, he's not wrong.

[Socialist Czechia]

Yes, but historically, it was used to heretics and polytheists and now, you can still use towards anyone who's not (Sunni) Muslim.

But it's always about person of another religion and atheism is not religion, it's a state of non-existence of any religious thinking.

You are an infedel an infedel is a non Muslim regardless of their belief you just want to attack us by using this as a way to make us look unsophisticated

That's the point. Atheism is not a belief. It's rejection of any belief. Just like that.

You must have belief to be kafir

[Albrenia]

Mulhidoun is a pretty badass word.

how?

It sounds cool when I say it in my head. Certainly better than most names the faithless like me get called.

[Shurjah]

You are an infedel an infedel is a non Muslim regardless of their belief you just want to attack us by using this as a way to make us look unsophisticated

That's the point. Atheism is not a belief. It's rejection of any belief. Just like that.

You must have belief to be kafir

And thats what you believe you reject belief

[Al-Ismailiyya]

You are an infedel an infedel is a non Muslim regardless of their belief you just want to attack us by using this as a way to make us look unsophisticated

That's the point. Atheism is not a belief. It's rejection of any belief. Just like that.

You must have belief to be kafir

No. You don't.

[Shurjah]

how?

It sounds cool when I say it in my head. Certainly better than most names the faithless like me get called.

Yeah Arabic is a nice language

[Socialist Czechia]

Yes, but historically, it was used to heretics and polytheists and now, you can still use towards anyone who's not (Sunni) Muslim.

But it's always about person of another religion and atheism is not religion, it's a state of non-existence of any religious thinking.

You are an infedel an infedel is a non Muslim regardless of their belief you just want to attack us by using this as a way to make us look unsophisticated

I rather think myself as zindiq. That's more accurate in my case.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

You are an infedel an infedel is a non Muslim regardless of their belief you just want to attack us by using this as a way to make us look unsophisticated

I rather think myself as zindiq. That's more accurate in my case.

What? Zindiq is probably as unclear as you can get. It basically just means "unorthodox". It is not relegated to atheists at all. It originally was a Persian word to define heretics and referred to Manichaeans lol.

[Shurjah]

You are an infedel an infedel is a non Muslim regardless of their belief you just want to attack us by using this as a way to make us look unsophisticated

I rather think myself as zindiq. That's more accurate in my case.

A Zindiq is someone who claims to be Muslim but has beliefs that are not Islamic

[Socialist Czechia]

That's the point. Atheism is not a belief. It's rejection of any belief. Just like that.

You must have belief to be kafir

And thats what you believe you reject belief

Well, to put it simply, atheists don't believe that God exists: they KNOWS he doesn't exist. that's great difference. they don't see it, therefore it's pointless and non-existent - that's how it was created. Well, that, and anti-catholic hate

So, there should be entirely different term. Souless? Endless? Something poetic and demon-like.

[Shurjah]

And thats what you believe you reject belief

Well, to put it simply, atheists don't believe that God exists: they KNOWS he doesn't exist. that's great difference. they don't see it, therefore it's pointless and non-existent - that's how it was created. Well, that, and anti-catholic hate

So, there should be entirely different term. Souless? Endless? Something poetic and demon-like.

Can you actually prove God is not real forget established religions like Judaism, Islam, and others can you honestly prove God is not real

[Al-Ismailiyya]

And thats what you believe you reject belief

Well, to put it simply, atheists don't believe that God exists: they KNOWS he doesn't exist. that's great difference. they don't see it, therefore it's pointless and non-existent - that's how it was created. Well, that, and anti-catholic hate

So, there should be entirely different term. Souless? Endless? Something poetic and demon-like.

Why exactly do you get to dictate how a language works? Incredibly arrogant, don't ya think?

[Conserative Morality]

Well, to put it simply, atheists don't believe that God exists: they KNOWS he doesn't exist.

Excuse me?

[Shurjah]

Well, to put it simply, atheists don't believe that God exists: they KNOWS he doesn't exist. that's great difference. they don't see it, therefore it's pointless and non-existent - that's how it was created. Well, that, and anti-catholic hate

So, there should be entirely different term. Souless? Endless? Something poetic and demon-like.

Why exactly do you get to dictate how a language works? Incredibly arrogant, don't ya think?

This is why I do not like Europeans they think they can dictate our way of life

[New haven america]

Well, to put it simply, atheists don't believe that God exists: they KNOWS he doesn't exist. that's great difference. they don't see it, therefore it's pointless and non-existent - that's how it was created. Well, that, and anti-catholic hate

So, there should be entirely different term. Souless? Endless? Something poetic and demon-like.

Can you actually prove God is not real forget established religions like Judaism, Islam, and others can you honestly prove God is not real

His very existence goes against the scientific process.

I'm not even an atheist and this answer is bloody easy to come up with.

[Shurjah]

Can you actually prove God is not real forget established religions like Judaism, Islam, and others can you honestly prove God is not real

His very existence goes against the scientific process.

I'm not even an atheist and this answer is bloody easy to come up with.

The scientific process is man made but even then how does it contradict God