Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Conserative Morality]

During this was they didn't just attack the military of my country they attacked our cities and people and the death of one Muslim is supposed to mobilize the entire Ummah

Does this mean that the entire Ummah should have risen up against Tripolitania when they killed the Muslim soldiers accompanying our US Marines?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And then they got invaded... lol

When they stopped piracy they did get invaded

Piracy never should've started.

[Shurjah]

Not grounds for rebellion or takfeer

When did I do takfir? And yes it would. Abu Bakr (RA) told the citizens of the Rashidun Khilafah to rebel against him if he started to do un-Islamic things.

Rebellion is only perssible after Takfeer is made on just grounds

[Shurjah]

During this was they didn't just attack the military of my country they attacked our cities and people and the death of one Muslim is supposed to mobilize the entire Ummah

Does this mean that the entire Ummah should have risen up against Tripolitania when they killed the Muslim soldiers accompanying our US Marines?

No because they attacked against fellow Muslims and became apostates

[El-Amin Caliphate]

During this was they didn't just attack the military of my country they attacked our cities and people and the death of one Muslim is supposed to mobilize the entire Ummah

Does this mean that the entire Ummah should have risen up against Tripolitania when they killed the Muslim soldiers accompanying our US Marines?

Actually you're right. Muslims are supposed to fight for the right thing, not the wrong thing.

[Shurjah]

But the French invaded later on and kept control until the 1960s

Again, what does that have to do with it? What?

The piracy was the only thing stopping the invaders

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Does this mean that the entire Ummah should have risen up against Tripolitania when they killed the Muslim soldiers accompanying our US Marines?

No because they attacked against fellow Muslims and became apostates

Does this also mean that Aisha and her soldiers became apostates when they attacked the Rashidun forces under Ali in the Battle of the Camel?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

When did I do takfir? And yes it would. Abu Bakr (RA) told the citizens of the Rashidun Khilafah to rebel against him if he started to do un-Islamic things.

Rebellion is only perssible after Takfeer is made on just grounds

>Cites Abu Bakr (RA)
>Still disputes
And no, I don't have to takfir someone in order to rebel.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Again, what does that have to do with it? What?

The piracy was the only thing stopping the invaders

Obviously not if the piracy caused an invasion lmao

[Shurjah]

No because they attacked against fellow Muslims and became apostates

Does this also mean that Aisha and her soldiers became apostates when they attacked the Rashidun forces under Ali in the Battle of the Camel?

No because that wasnt done to harm fellow Muslims it was done to uphold justice

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Does this also mean that Aisha and her soldiers became apostates when they attacked the Rashidun forces under Ali in the Battle of the Camel?

No because that wasnt done to harm fellow Muslims it was done to uphold justice

You see the irony, right?

[Shurjah]

The piracy was the only thing stopping the invaders

Obviously not if the piracy caused an invasion lmao

the invasion then was temporary occupation the French invasion latter on was not done to stop piracy but only to harm Muslims

[New haven america]

No because they attacked against fellow Muslims and became apostates

Does this also mean that Aisha and her soldiers became apostates when they attacked the Rashidun forces under Ali in the Battle of the Camel?

Obviously.

I assume they also think that any Libyian or Syrian fighting in their respective civil wars are now apostates.

[Shurjah]

No because that wasnt done to harm fellow Muslims it was done to uphold justice

You see the irony, right?

No Arabs that helped the invasion collaborated with non-Muslims against Muslims Aisha did no such thing

[Shurjah]

Does this also mean that Aisha and her soldiers became apostates when they attacked the Rashidun forces under Ali in the Battle of the Camel?

Obviously.

I assume they also think that any Libyian or Syrian fighting in their respective civil wars are now apostates.

Qadhafi was not Muslim and neither is Assad

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Does this also mean that Aisha and her soldiers became apostates when they attacked the Rashidun forces under Ali in the Battle of the Camel?

No because that wasnt done to harm fellow Muslims it was done to uphold justice

Wait a minute.
You don't like it when Muslims rebel against a thief, but the Battle of the Camel was justified?
Note: I am not discrediting al-Ummil-Mu-mineen (RA).

[Socialist Czechia]

Just found out that that Muslims are unable to understand the very concept of atheism. That there's not even actual word for it.

So just to be sure: No, not everyone must live by texts about prophecies and angels. Someone can entirely reject any thought about any Creator. Someone can be totally fine that we live miserable lives just because without any reason, simply breeding and dying just as any other lifeform on this planet.

I'd rather worship Sauron, anyway. He's much more nice and allows fun.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Obviously.

I assume they also think that any Libyian or Syrian fighting in their respective civil wars are now apostates.

Qadhafi was not Muslim and neither is Assad

But what about the Kurds? Or Daesh? Or the Turks?

Does this also mean that Aisha and her soldiers became apostates when they attacked the Rashidun forces under Ali in the Battle of the Camel?

Obviously.

I assume they also think that any Libyian or Syrian fighting in their respective civil wars are now apostates.

For that to happen, Shurjah would have to be consistent in his beliefs.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Just found out that that Muslims are unable to understand the very concept of atheism. That there's not even actual word for it.

So just to be sure: No, not everyone must live by texts about prophecies and angels. Someone can entirely reject any thought about any Creator. Someone can be totally fine that we live miserable lives just because without any reason, simply breeding and dying just as any other lifeform on this planet.

I'd rather worship Sauron, anyway. He's much more nice and allows fun.

Muslims know what atheism is, we're not stupid.

[Shurjah]

No because that wasnt done to harm fellow Muslims it was done to uphold justice

Wait a minute.
You don't like it when Muslims rebel against a thief, but the Battle of the Camel was justified?
Note: I am not discrediting al-Ummil-Mu-mineen (RA).

the battle of Camel was justified because there was confusion on all sides it was an accident all sides thought they were helping Islam and bringing justice for Uthman

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Just found out that that Muslims are unable to understand the very concept of atheism. That there's not even actual word for it.

So just to be sure: No, not everyone must live by texts about prophecies and angels. Someone can entirely reject any thought about any Creator. Someone can be totally fine that we live miserable lives just because without any reason, simply breeding and dying just as any other lifeform on this planet.

I'd rather worship Sauron, anyway. He's much more nice and allows fun.

Muslims are perfectly capable of understanding the concept of atheism... Just because there isn't a direct Arabic translation for it isn't proof to the contrary. There are plenty of phrases that don't translate exactly. That's linguistics.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Wait a minute.
You don't like it when Muslims rebel against a thief, but the Battle of the Camel was justified?
Note: I am not discrediting al-Ummil-Mu-mineen (RA).

the battle of Camel was justified because there was confusion on all sides it was an accident all sides thought they were helping Islam and bringing justice for Uthman

Hm. Ok.
No, hold on, there was no confusion. We knew who the culprits were, but Ali (RA) didn't bring them to justice for the good of the Ummah. This angered A'isha (RA) and many other members of the Sahaba (RA), which caused a rebellion.

[Socialist Czechia]

Just found out that that Muslims are unable to understand the very concept of atheism. That there's not even actual word for it.

So just to be sure: No, not everyone must live by texts about prophecies and angels. Someone can entirely reject any thought about any Creator. Someone can be totally fine that we live miserable lives just because without any reason, simply breeding and dying just as any other lifeform on this planet.

I'd rather worship Sauron, anyway. He's much more nice and allows fun.

Muslims know what atheism is, we're not stupid.

As far as I understand, 'kafir' is not proper word, as you suppose kafir believe in something: while atheist don't believe in absolutely anything. It's lack of any religious stuff. Nothing here.

Is there an Arab term for such person?

[Shurjah]

Just found out that that Muslims are unable to understand the very concept of atheism. That there's not even actual word for it.

So just to be sure: No, not everyone must live by texts about prophecies and angels. Someone can entirely reject any thought about any Creator. Someone can be totally fine that we live miserable lives just because without any reason, simply breeding and dying just as any other lifeform on this planet.

I'd rather worship Sauron, anyway. He's much more nice and allows fun.

Muslims are perfectly capable of understanding the concept of atheism... Just because there isn't a direct Arabic translation for it isn't proof to the contrary. There are plenty of phrases that don't translate exactly. That's linguistics.

Atheists in Arabic is Mulhidoun

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Muslims know what atheism is, we're not stupid.

As far as I understand, 'kafir' is not proper word, as you suppose kafir believe in something: while atheist don't believe in absolutely anything. It's lack of any religious stuff. Nothing here.

Is there an Arab term for such person?

Khafir is just a general term for non-Muslim. Wikipedia puts it as "Kafir (Arabic: كافر‎ kāfir; plural كفّار kuffār; feminine كافرة kāfirah) is an Arabic term (from the root K-F-R "to cover") meaning "one who covers the truth". The term[1] alludes to a person who rejects or disbelieves in God according to the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad,[2] and denies the dominion and authority of God, thus often translated with "infidels".