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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:30 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Is it obligatory to obey a ruler who does not rule according to the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (blessings and peace of Allaah be upon him)?

The kings of Trablis and Tunis never rejected the Quran or Hadiths

They sinned. Openly.

A sin is not disbelief they never came out and said We disbelieve in Allah and we do this because we want to do something unIslamic you have to look at their intentions
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:30 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Or they would never have been invaded and we wouldn't have to deal with your nonsensical whining now.

No they would have France brutally invaded Algeria and Italy brutally invaded Libya which was far worse than what the pirates did

Here we go again with whataboutism.
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:30 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Or they would never have been invaded and we wouldn't have to deal with your nonsensical whining now.

No they would have France brutally invaded Algeria and Italy brutally invaded Libya which was far worse than what the pirates did

Yes but how does that support your claim that it would have happened sooner lol?

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Wait... 1801? I thought you said you were Libyan.

I am that is when the wars started and there is no difference between us in the Maghreb we are a single people and yes our nation did face yours

Bullshit. We and Morocco always been tight.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Shurjah wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They sinned. Openly.

A sin is not disbelief they never came out and said We disbelieve in Allah and we do this because we want to do something unIslamic you have to look at their intentions

They did un-Islamic deeds (stealing) out of greed.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Shurjah wrote:You are just repeating nonsense about teeth over and over again give it a rest

I mean, he's not wrong. Y'all did get your asses kicked. As the Marines so wonderfully remember it:

"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli"

During this was they didn't just attack the military of my country they attacked our cities and people and the death of one Muslim is supposed to mobilize the entire Ummah
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:32 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I am that is when the wars started and there is no difference between us in the Maghreb we are a single people and yes our nation did face yours

Bullshit. We and Morocco always been tight.

We are a common people Moroccans and us Libyans
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Postby New haven america » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:32 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:And then they got their teeth kicked in, hard. You're forgetting that part.

You are just repeating nonsense about teeth over and over again give it a rest

Okay, then what phrase should I use: You got your asses handed to you, received a nice boot up the ass, got curb stomped, had a nice kick to the head, etc...?
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:32 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:You are just repeating nonsense about teeth over and over again give it a rest

Okay, then what phrase should I use: You got your asses handed to you, received a nice boot up the ass, got curb stomped, had a nice kick to the head, etc...?

All said from arrogance
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:33 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Shurjah wrote:A sin is not disbelief they never came out and said We disbelieve in Allah and we do this because we want to do something unIslamic you have to look at their intentions

They did un-Islamic deeds (stealing) out of greed.

Not grounds for rebellion or takfeer
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سواسته صكه خفيفه ما حقينا إلا الي كيفه

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:33 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:You are just repeating nonsense about teeth over and over again give it a rest

Okay, then what phrase should I use: You got your asses handed to you, received a nice boot up the ass, got curb stomped, had a nice kick to the head, etc...?

Yeah, yeah, everyone gets it. Knock it off.
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:33 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:I mean, he's not wrong. Y'all did get your asses kicked. As the Marines so wonderfully remember it:

"From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli"

During this was they didn't just attack the military of my country they attacked our cities and people and the death of one Muslim is supposed to mobilize the entire Ummah

Nah. Not when it is a rapist and slaver dying.

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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Shurjah wrote:No they would have France brutally invaded Algeria and Italy brutally invaded Libya which was far worse than what the pirates did

Yes but how does that support your claim that it would have happened sooner lol?

Because prior to their invasion the Maghreb maintained independence by intimidating Europeans and holding their citizens hostage
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Bullshit. We and Morocco always been tight.

We are a common people Moroccans and us Libyans

The Moroccans heroically defended our sailors at their own expense because it was the right thing to do. Either we were buds with the people of the Maghreb, or Libyans and Moroccans aren't the same.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Shurjah wrote:We are a common people Moroccans and us Libyans

The Moroccans heroically defended our sailors at their own expense because it was the right thing to do. Either we were buds with the people of the Maghreb, or Libyans and Moroccans aren't the same.

Yes we are
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Yes but how does that support your claim that it would have happened sooner lol?

Because prior to their invasion the Maghreb maintained independence by intimidating Europeans and holding their citizens hostage

And then they got invaded... lol

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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:35 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Bullshit. We and Morocco always been tight.

We are a common people Moroccans and us Libyans

Sorry to break it to you but Morocco is literally America's oldest ally.

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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:35 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Because prior to their invasion the Maghreb maintained independence by intimidating Europeans and holding their citizens hostage

And then they got invaded... lol

When they stopped piracy they did get invaded
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:36 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Shurjah wrote:We are a common people Moroccans and us Libyans

Sorry to break it to you but Morocco is literally America's oldest ally.

I am talking genetically and culturally we are a common people
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:36 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:And then they got invaded... lol

When they stopped piracy they did get invaded

What lol? They stopped the piracy because they got invaded...

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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:36 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Shurjah wrote:When they stopped piracy they did get invaded

What lol? They stopped the piracy because they got invaded...

But the French invaded later on and kept control until the 1960s
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:37 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Sorry to break it to you but Morocco is literally America's oldest ally.

I am talking genetically and culturally we are a common people

That doesn't disprove CM's assertion that America and Morocco have always been "tight".

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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:37 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:What lol? They stopped the piracy because they got invaded...

But the French invaded later on and kept control until the 1960s

Again, what does that have to do with it? What?

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:37 pm

Shurjah wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:They did un-Islamic deeds (stealing) out of greed.

Not grounds for rebellion or takfeer

When did I do takfir? And yes it would. Abu Bakr (RA) told the citizens of the Rashidun Khilafah to rebel against him if he started to do un-Islamic things.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:38 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I am talking genetically and culturally we are a common people

That doesn't disprove CM's assertion that America and Morocco have always been "tight".

I never said they were not only we are common people
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