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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Bhikkustan » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:59 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Bhikkustan wrote:They definitely call out to others. Iranian football fans call out Ya Hussein. It is almost guaranteed that their soldiers would.

Yes. Because football automatically equates to the actions of soldiers fighting against a munafiq dictator :eyebrow:

If their government endorsed that as a show of support, it stands to reason that some soldiers would have said it.
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Postby Aillyria » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:00 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Why would they do that?

This is their beliefs

I highly doubt that.



Pilarcraft wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Why would they do that?

See, for him to answer that without any intellectual dishonesty, he'd need to go read what the Shia believe, and then come and repeat it. or at the very least tell us his own interpretation of what the Shia told him.
but he isn't going to.
because he just wants to call the Shia Kuffar.

Yeah, seemed that way to me.

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Aillyria wrote:My personality is exactly the same, I'm very skeptical by nature. The overwhelming majority of hadith have no value, and are lies and deceptions.

I wonder - what is your tariqat?

I don't really have one, but I base alot of my beliefs on those of Rumi.....so idk.
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Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:00 pm

Bhikkustan wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Yes. Because football automatically equates to the actions of soldiers fighting against a munafiq dictator :eyebrow:

If their government endorsed that as a show of support, it stands to reason that some soldiers would have said it.

If they say it for something minor like football there is no doubt in times of stress like warfare they would say it
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:03 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:How do you know? The video doesn't exist anymore.

And those are not Iranian soldiers, I believe.

You are exaggerating

I said Shiia militias which do follow Iranian ideology

If I said Nusra says Allahu Akbar you would not deny it but when I say Iranian militias do it you deny it is it because you realize how wrong it is to say Ya Zainab

No, you didn't. The original conversation that spawned this before you expanded the goalposts, which is a logical fallacy, was about Iranian soldiers in the Iran-Iraq War.

Bhikkustan wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Yes. Because football automatically equates to the actions of soldiers fighting against a munafiq dictator :eyebrow:

If their government endorsed that as a show of support, it stands to reason that some soldiers would have said it.

I'm sure some soldiers said it. Not even going to deny that. There's a wrong minority in everything. But Shurjah would have it be held that the entire Iranian army shouted out to Hussain while the Iraqi invaders were pious, perfect soldiers and shouted out to Allah.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:04 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:You are exaggerating

I said Shiia militias which do follow Iranian ideology

If I said Nusra says Allahu Akbar you would not deny it but when I say Iranian militias do it you deny it is it because you realize how wrong it is to say Ya Zainab

No, you didn't. The original conversation that spawned this before you expanded the goalposts, which is a logical fallacy, was about Iranian soldiers in the Iran-Iraq War.

Bhikkustan wrote:If their government endorsed that as a show of support, it stands to reason that some soldiers would have said it.

I'm sure some soldiers said it. Not even going to deny that. There's a wrong minority in everything. But Shurjah would have it be held that the entire Iranian army shouted out to Hussain while the Iraqi invaders were pious, perfect soldiers and shouted out to Allah.

GO read Kitab Al Kafi are you taking this personally because of your uncle? I do not know your uncle and maybe he did not say Ya whatever but others did
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:06 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:No, you didn't. The original conversation that spawned this before you expanded the goalposts, which is a logical fallacy, was about Iranian soldiers in the Iran-Iraq War.


I'm sure some soldiers said it. Not even going to deny that. There's a wrong minority in everything. But Shurjah would have it be held that the entire Iranian army shouted out to Hussain while the Iraqi invaders were pious, perfect soldiers and shouted out to Allah.

GO read Kitab Al Kafi are you taking this personally because of your uncle? I do not know your uncle and maybe he did not say Ya whatever but others did

I never met my uncle. I am taking your blatant racism and lies personally, though.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:07 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:GO read Kitab Al Kafi are you taking this personally because of your uncle? I do not know your uncle and maybe he did not say Ya whatever but others did

I never met my uncle. I am taking your blatant racism and lies personally, though.

I am not lying I obviously heard this somewhere to be making this statement there are more critisims I have of Iran besides being Shiia and yelling shirki things
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Postby The Eternal Aulus » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:08 pm

Aillyria wrote:I don't really have one, but I base alot of my beliefs on those of Rumi.....so idk.

So you're Sufi but have no Sheykh to guide you?
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:08 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I never met my uncle. I am taking your blatant racism and lies personally, though.

I am not lying I obviously heard this somewhere to be making this statement there are more critisims I have of Iran besides being Shiia and yelling shirki things

Denies the lies, but not the racism. Got ya.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:09 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I am not lying I obviously heard this somewhere to be making this statement there are more critisims I have of Iran besides being Shiia and yelling shirki things

Denies the lies, but not the racism. Got ya.

I have met nice Persians I do not need to deny it it is obvious I am not
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:10 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Denies the lies, but not the racism. Got ya.

I have met nice Persians I do not need to deny it it is obvious I am not

:rofl: :rofl: Alright, man. You do you.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I have met nice Persians I do not need to deny it it is obvious I am not

:rofl: :rofl: Alright, man. You do you.

I have met and heard of Sunni Persians who hate Iran like us like People's Mujahidin of Iran and Azerbaijan's government and Harakat Ansar Iran
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Postby Aillyria » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:12 pm

The Eternal Aulus wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I don't really have one, but I base alot of my beliefs on those of Rumi.....so idk.

So you're Sufi but have no Sheykh to guide you?

No...I don't. Kinda hard to when I live in an area with almost zero muslims. :eyebrow:
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:14 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote: :rofl: :rofl: Alright, man. You do you.

I have met and heard of Sunni Persians who hate Iran like us like People's Mujahidin of Iran and Azerbaijan's government and Harakat Ansar Iran

Okay, man. It's alright. I will ask Allah to remove the hate and racism from your heart.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:15 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I have met and heard of Sunni Persians who hate Iran like us like People's Mujahidin of Iran and Azerbaijan's government and Harakat Ansar Iran

Okay, man. It's alright. I will ask Allah to remove the hate and racism from your heart.

I am not a race hater
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:15 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Okay, man. It's alright. I will ask Allah to remove the hate and racism from your heart.

I am not a race hater

Whatever, man. You do you.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:16 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I am not a race hater

Whatever, man. You do you.

what does that mean?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:19 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Whatever, man. You do you.

what does that mean?

He doesn't believe you when you say that you're not a racist. Because you've said inflammatory stuff about Persians and Kurds.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:22 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Shurjah wrote:what does that mean?

He doesn't believe you when you say that you're not a racist. Because you've said inflammatory stuff about Persians and Kurds.

is you do you like another way to say fuck yourself?
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Postby The Eternal Aulus » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Eternal Aulus wrote:So you're Sufi but have no Sheykh to guide you?

No...I don't. Kinda hard to when I live in an area with almost zero muslims. :eyebrow:

Search ''Eshaykh'' on Google. You'll be redirected to Sufi lodges around the US, who knows maybe you find something.
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Postby Aillyria » Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:31 pm

The Eternal Aulus wrote:
Aillyria wrote:No...I don't. Kinda hard to when I live in an area with almost zero muslims. :eyebrow:

Search ''Eshaykh'' on Google. You'll be redirected to Sufi lodges around the US, who knows maybe you find something.

I'll do that, hopefully sometning is near.
Shurjah wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:He doesn't believe you when you say that you're not a racist. Because you've said inflammatory stuff about Persians and Kurds.

is you do you like another way to say fuck yourself?

No, he's saying he's not arguing with you anymore.
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Senegalboy » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:11 pm

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Postby Alsheb » Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:20 pm

Jeez guys, I've been away for a couple of hours, and I think there are literally 20+ more pages to the thread in that time alone?
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Postby Aillyria » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:51 pm

Alsheb wrote:Jeez guys, I've been away for a couple of hours, and I think there are literally 20+ more pages to the thread in that time alone?

That tends to happen when you have ppl calling Shias and Sufis kafir.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Hakons » Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:35 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:
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There is only one God. People may wrongfully attribute manifestations of God to a pantheon of gods, or perhaps they were fooled by demons.

? The very reason that YHW is jealous is that other gods existed, at least before the captivity.


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