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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:06 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Salafi Wahhabi Sunni only Islam man

Yeah I found it funny

So, am I correct in assuming that you were attempting to troll us?

I was thinking of the Anasheed and thought of you guys and looked up Omar Al Farooq English and got the link then posted
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:07 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:So, am I correct in assuming that you were attempting to troll us?

I was thinking of the Anasheed and thought of you guys and looked up Omar Al Farooq English and got the link then posted

What was the point in posting it beyond attempting to anger us?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:07 pm

*boops entire thread in catholic*

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:07 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Remagen wrote:There is no "convincing you", we refute your beliefs. In your case, you already said you're a pantheist so there is no need to do anything.

What have you refuted? So what I'm a panentheist/pantheist, you act like that makes me wrong. Just because you have a simplistic cookie cutter perception of God (swt), doesn't refute a single thing. Allah is more incomprehensible than anyone can imagine, but our Lord is not distant, not alien, his is always here.

All we gotta do is read the Holy Qur'an to find out what Allah (SWT) is, just sayin...
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:08 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I was thinking of the Anasheed and thought of you guys and looked up Omar Al Farooq English and got the link then posted

What was the point in posting it beyond attempting to anger us?

I did not think you would get angry maybe just read the words in English and understand our love of him
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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Aillyria wrote:What have you refuted? So what I'm a panentheist/pantheist, you act like that makes me wrong. Just because you have a simplistic cookie cutter perception of God (swt), doesn't refute a single thing. Allah is more incomprehensible than anyone can imagine, but our Lord is not distant, not alien, his is always here.

All we gotta do is read the Holy Qur'an to find out what Allah (SWT) is, just sayin...

sure. that must be why there are 73 (and counting) sects of Islamic belief, all following the Quran, who can't agree on the most basic principles on god.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:*boops entire thread in catholic*

*boops back in Muslim*

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What was the point in posting it beyond attempting to anger us?

I did not think you would get angry maybe just read the words in English and understand our love of him

I can't understand idolatry. Sorry.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:*boops entire thread in catholic*

*boops back in Muslim*

Shurjah wrote:I did not think you would get angry maybe just read the words in English and understand our love of him

I can't understand idolatry. Sorry.

We love Omar but we do not say Ya Omar
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:11 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:All we gotta do is read the Holy Qur'an to find out what Allah (SWT) is, just sayin...

sure. that must be why there are 73 (and counting) sects of Islamic belief, all following the Quran, who can't agree on the most basic principles on god.

That's why we got Sunnah.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:12 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:*boops back in Muslim*


I can't understand idolatry. Sorry.

We love Omar but we do not say Ya Omar

The nasheed you just shared literally has the lyrics "Peace on you, oh 'Umar al-Farooq
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:13 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:We love Omar but we do not say Ya Omar

The nasheed you just shared literally has the lyrics "Peace on you, oh 'Umar al-Farooq

>MICDROP<
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Aillyria » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:14 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:uuuh... just asking, is it weird that as a secular humanist who, until a few months ago, was a very very militant anti-theist, I am debating with muslims on their own thread?

It's interesting tbh, you know alot.

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Aillyria wrote:What have you refuted? So what I'm a panentheist/pantheist, you act like that makes me wrong. Just because you have a simplistic cookie cutter perception of God (swt), doesn't refute a single thing. Allah is more incomprehensible than anyone can imagine, but our Lord is not distant, not alien, his is always here.

All we gotta do is read the Holy Qur'an to find out what Allah (SWT) is, just sayin...


I have read the Quran, and I still study it........ :eyebrow:
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Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:15 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:sure. that must be why there are 73 (and counting) sects of Islamic belief, all following the Quran, who can't agree on the most basic principles on god.

That's why we got Sunnah.

THAT must be why each of this 73 (and counting) sects also have their own sets of hadith that occasionally overlap!
Isn't it nice, calling it the Tradition of the Prophet, when writing Hadith was essentially illegal for the majority of the Rashidun Caliphate's reign, and then when the Umavid Era was quite famous for forging Ahaadith to further their own goals.
Seriously.
Stop.
the number of Ahadith that all sects agree upon simultaneously is so low it's embarrassing.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:uuuh... just asking, is it weird that as a secular humanist who, until a few months ago, was a very very militant anti-theist, I am debating with muslims on their own thread?

It's interesting tbh, you know alot.

Kubumba Tribe wrote:All we gotta do is read the Holy Qur'an to find out what Allah (SWT) is, just sayin...


I have read the Quran, and I still study it........ :eyebrow:

Wasn't making a personal attack on ya, sry if it came out that way.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:16 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:We love Omar but we do not say Ya Omar

The nasheed you just shared literally has the lyrics "Peace on you, oh 'Umar al-Farooq

I'll wait for your nonsensical response.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:16 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:That's why we got Sunnah.

THAT must be why each of this 73 (and counting) sects also have their own sets of hadith that occasionally overlap!
Isn't it nice, calling it the Tradition of the Prophet, when writing Hadith was essentially illegal for the majority of the Rashidun Caliphate's reign, and then when the Umavid Era was quite famous for forging Ahaadith to further their own goals.
Seriously.
Stop.
the number of Ahadith that all sects agree upon simultaneously is so low it's embarrassing.

Evidence?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:17 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:We love Omar but we do not say Ya Omar

The nasheed you just shared literally has the lyrics "Peace on you, oh 'Umar al-Farooq

This is sending peace with him not asking him for help
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:18 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:The nasheed you just shared literally has the lyrics "Peace on you, oh 'Umar al-Farooq

This is sending peace with him not asking him for help

Same can be said for "Ya Fatima"
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:18 pm

Shurjah wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:The nasheed you just shared literally has the lyrics "Peace on you, oh 'Umar al-Farooq

This is sending peace with him not asking him for help

Yup. Nonsensical. Listen to it. The singer says "ya 'Umar al-Farooq" pretty clearly. Isn't that shirk, though?
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:19 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Shurjah wrote:This is sending peace with him not asking him for help

Same can be said for "Ya Fatima"

No when Hezbillah fights in war they yell Ya Fatima we say Allahu Akbar wa Izzatu billah
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:19 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:This is sending peace with him not asking him for help

Yup. Nonsensical. Listen to it. The singer says "ya 'Umar al-Farooq" pretty clearly. Isn't that shirk, though?

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:20 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:This is sending peace with him not asking him for help

Yup. Nonsensical. Listen to it. The singer says "ya 'Umar al-Farooq" pretty clearly. Isn't that shirk, though?

How? Shurjah's right here, the singer was asking for peace on 'Umar (RA)
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:20 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Same can be said for "Ya Fatima"

No when Hezbillah fights in war they yell Ya Fatima we say Allahu Akbar wa Izzatu billah

Proof?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:20 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Same can be said for "Ya Fatima"

No when Hezbillah fights in war they yell Ya Fatima we say Allahu Akbar wa Izzatu billah

I keep forgetting that you have fought in battle against them and seen every Hezbollah fighter ever call out to Fatima, rather than Allah. My bad.
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Postby Shurjah » Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:21 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Shurjah wrote:No when Hezbillah fights in war they yell Ya Fatima we say Allahu Akbar wa Izzatu billah

Proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-stCgnnoY8c
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