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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
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Postby Community Values » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:00 pm

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Community Values wrote:I guess I should have been more specific. I was asking for which Islamic countries allowed women to have any job, and passed anti-sexism laws.

The main focus of my post regarding Sharia was focused on PRE-COLONIAL ISLAM, and how the interpretation of Sharia Law changed due to colonialism.
There indeed is some sexism within the religion today, but the church as well as other traditional religions still have sexism as well, the difference is that Islam pioneered quite a bit of women's rights.

Some sexism is a bit of an understatement, and you still need a source for those Islamic Regions that passed anti-sexism laws.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:12 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Colorado-Kansas wrote:Why does your Religion advocate the stoning of gays, yet Muhammad was a pedophile with a liking for young boys?

Why aren't you using sources and why are you telling lies against the Prophet (SAWS)?

I don't know about "young boys", but don't forget his youngest wife, Aisha.
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Postby Amshelavym » Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:15 pm

Is this for real?
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Postby Iron Dog » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:03 pm

Amshelavym wrote:Is this for real?

What do you mean? yes we are having this discussion.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:13 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why aren't you using sources and why are you telling lies against the Prophet (SAWS)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_in_Islam

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages ... -life.aspx

Done. A person with an open mind must accept the facts at hand.

Why'd you source the 2nd website? Also, homosexual acts are a sin in Al-Islam, but I don't think it's death. I think it falls under the punishment of illegal sexual intercourse: http://legacy.quran.com/24/2
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:15 pm

Puldania wrote:There indeed is some sexism within the religion today.

No there isn't
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:20 pm

Iron Dog wrote:punishable by death.

That's debateable
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Postby Iron Dog » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:06 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Iron Dog wrote:punishable by death.

That's debateable
Well that's why we are having this conversation. My unit while deployed had to intervene to protect those that your holy book called unclean.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:09 pm

Iron Dog wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's debateable
Well that's why we are having this conversation. My unit while deployed had to intervene to protect those that your holy book called unclean.

Protect them from what? And aren't called unclean. Their actions are. And what 'unit while deployed' are you talking about?
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Postby Iron Dog » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:12 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Iron Dog wrote: Well that's why we are having this conversation. My unit while deployed had to intervene to protect those that your holy book called unclean.

Protect them from what? And aren't called unclean. Their actions are. And what 'unit while deployed' are you talking about?
I was deployed to Iraq with the United States Army. So I may have a biased view. Although I thought I made that clear in my first post.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:57 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Iron Dog wrote: Well that's why we are having this conversation. My unit while deployed had to intervene to protect those that your holy book called unclean.

Protect them from what?

Iraqis?
And aren't called unclean. Their actions are.

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Iron Dog wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Protect them from what? And aren't called unclean. Their actions are. And what 'unit while deployed' are you talking about?
I was deployed to Iraq with the United States Army. So I may have a biased view. Although I thought I made that clear in my first post.

What unit?
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Postby Iron Dog » Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:51 pm

I was with the 1-87 Battalion out of Fort Drum,
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:19 am

Iron Dog wrote:I was with the 1-87 Battalion out of Fort Drum,

I'm in the 82nd.

82nd engineer battalion, 2nd Brigade, 1st division on Fort Riley
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Postby Puldania » Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:54 pm

Community Values wrote:
Puldania wrote:The main focus of my post regarding Sharia was focused on PRE-COLONIAL ISLAM, and how the interpretation of Sharia Law changed due to colonialism.
There indeed is some sexism within the religion today, but the church as well as other traditional religions still have sexism as well, the difference is that Islam pioneered quite a bit of women's rights.

Some sexism is a bit of an understatement, and you still need a source for those Islamic Regions that passed anti-sexism laws.

You can find sources in any number of books/articles on the Nadrashes.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:09 pm

Iron Dog wrote:I was with the 1-87 Battalion out of Fort Drum,

Awfully edgy and immature for a soldier. Learn from these people instead of stating their beliefs to them, for they probably know more about it than you do.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:17 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Iron Dog wrote:I was with the 1-87 Battalion out of Fort Drum,

Awfully edgy and immature for a soldier.

Protecting people is edgy?
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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:20 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Awfully edgy and immature for a soldier.

Protecting people is edgy?

No, of course not. Expecting someone to believe in something because someone else does something is simply illogical. You can't expect someone on a fucking forum to agree with ISIS or Taliban.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:21 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Iron Dog wrote:I was with the 1-87 Battalion out of Fort Drum,

I'm in the 82nd.

82nd engineer battalion, 2nd Brigade, 1st division on Fort Riley

Nice! My brother is actually in Joint Task Force 2, or JTF2, Canada's Elite Special Forces!

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Postby Community Values » Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:16 pm

Puldania wrote:
Community Values wrote:Some sexism is a bit of an understatement, and you still need a source for those Islamic Regions that passed anti-sexism laws.

You can find sources in any number of books/articles on the Nadrashes.

Which books/articles? Please, enlighten me.
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Postby Puberty and Polemics » Fri Jul 21, 2017 5:43 pm

I'm thinking about becoming Druze. Any thoughts?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:17 pm

Puberty and Polemics wrote:I'm thinking about becoming Druze. Any thoughts?

Why? Also I think the questi9n can be answered by the questioner.
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Postby Iron Dog » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:07 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
Iron Dog wrote:I was with the 1-87 Battalion out of Fort Drum,

Awfully edgy and immature for a soldier. Learn from these people instead of stating their beliefs to them, for they probably know more about it than you do.
Wait how am I being edgy and immature? I stated my opinion about the subject and I did paraphrase it by stating I was biased.
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:34 am

Iron Dog wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Awfully edgy and immature for a soldier. Learn from these people instead of stating their beliefs to them, for they probably know more about it than you do.
Wait how am I being edgy and immature? I stated my opinion about the subject and I did paraphrase it by stating I was biased.

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Postby Liberalter » Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:56 am

I'm wondering if any of you are pro homosexual?
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