[Europe] Lorry rams into Berlin market

[Vassenor]

This is a direct result of permitting Muslims to immigrate to Germany, a policy that should be ended and reversed.

[citation needed]

[HMS Vanguard]

A lorry did not ram into a Berlin market. Lorries do not possess agency. Someone rammed a lorry into a Berlin market.

[Vassenor]

A lorry did not ram into a Berlin market. Lorries do not possess agency. Someone rammed a lorry into a Berlin market.

That does not answer my question.

[Aelex]

This is a direct result of permitting Muslims to immigrate to Germany, a policy that should be ended and reversed.

[citation needed]

>"Islamic Terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims"
>"Citation needed"

Lol wut?

[Vassenor]

[citation needed]

>"Islamic Terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims"
>"Citation needed"

Lol wut?

Berlin attack: Police uncertain detained suspect drove lorry

Try again.

[HMS Vanguard]

A lorry did not ram into a Berlin market. Lorries do not possess agency. Someone rammed a lorry into a Berlin market.

That does not answer my question.

You didn't ask a question and, if you had, I would not care to answer it.

[Knarkrike]

I feel inclined to post this. This is a compilation of stats of all failed, foiled and completed terrorist attacks in Europe from 2006 to 2015. The sources of these tables, Europol's terrorism reports, can be found here. It shows the main motivations behind acts of terror and that religiously motivated attacks are among the lowest in numbers, falling behind separatist, not specified and left-wing terrorist attacks. With this, I hope the brave anti-Islam keyboard crusaders could take a little bit of a break from "religion of peace lololol" posts and get some perspective regarding terrorism for one goddamn second.

Conveniently failing to mention that in practically all of the non-Islamic attacks, no one got hurt, while in most of the Islamic attacks, large numbers of people died.

I'm sorry, what? I can't hear you from all the way at the top of my sources with you on nothing. Speak up!

[Skylus]

...I'm really getting tired of this.
When will people learn...

[Aelex]

Berlin attack: Police uncertain detained suspect drove lorry

Try again.

Except we were talking in general and not on this particular case alone.

So please, try again explaining us who else but muslims cause Islamic Terrorism.

[HMS Vanguard]

Conveniently failing to mention that in practically all of the non-Islamic attacks, no one got hurt, while in most of the Islamic attacks, large numbers of people died.

I'm sorry, what? I can't hear you from all the way at the top of my sources with you on nothing. Speak up!

Referring to my previous quoted post, your source is highly misleading for the already stated reasons.

[Vassenor]

Berlin attack: Police uncertain detained suspect drove lorry

Try again.

Except we were talking in general and not on this particular case alone.

So please, try again explaining us who else but muslims cause Islamic Terrorism.

I was responding to a point about how this incident was allegedly the direct result of Germany having Muslims in it. Stop moving the goalposts.

[HMS Vanguard]

Except we were talking in general and not on this particular case alone.

So please, try again explaining us who else but muslims cause Islamic Terrorism.

I was responding to a point about how this incident was allegedly the direct result of Germany having Muslims in it.

Let us take a moment to contemplate the absurdity of this suggestion.

[Vassenor]

I was responding to a point about how this incident was allegedly the direct result of Germany having Muslims in it.

Let us take a moment to contemplate the absurdity of this suggestion.

Says the person who made the suggestion.

This is a direct result of permitting Muslims to immigrate to Germany, a policy that should be ended and reversed.

[HMS Vanguard]

Let us take a moment to contemplate the absurdity of this suggestion.

Says the person who made the suggestion.

This is a direct result of permitting Muslims to immigrate to Germany, a policy that should be ended and reversed.

My point being that anyone who takes a moment to contemplate it will conclude it isn't absurd.

[Aelex]

Referring to my previous quoted post, your source is highly misleading for the already stated reasons.

Indeed. For France, to talk about something I know well, most of the "separatist terrorist attacks" are the doing of the F.L.N (a Corsican "separation movement") who're bombing shit pretty often not to try to kill people but "merely" to drive the price of the land down so they can buy it and sell it to an higher price to someone else.

My God, they're truly as bad as those guys who just rammed a truck on people in Nice to try to get the highest number of deads possible!

[Itoshiki]

[citation needed]

>"Islamic Terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims"
>"Citation needed"

Lol wut?

As I said, just do stricter vetting on refugees, arrest actual radicals, monitor extremist sermons, and prohibit Saudi funding to mosques without alienating Muslims as whole. Then take further actions against organizations that promote hatred against Muslims.

This is why policies not centered on tribalism tend to fail to gain public appeal.

[HMS Vanguard]

>"Islamic Terrorism is perpetrated by Muslims"
>"Citation needed"

Lol wut?

As I said, just do stricter vetting on refugees, arrest actual radicals, monitor extremist sermons, and prohibit Saudi funding to mosques without alienating Muslims as whole. Then take further actions against organizations that promote hatred against Muslims.

This is why policies not centered on tribalism tend to fail to gain public appeal.

Or just not have Muslims. There are massive downsides of your plan for the government to outlaw political speech across the spectrum, establish an intrusive surveillance state, and kick down peoples' doors in the middle of the night, and even then often fail to stop attacks. What is the down side of not having Muslims?

[Ifreann]

Not clear if arrested man drove truck - Berlin police

Arrested Pakistani probably not the terrorist, according to Berlin Police President.
Just got that on my newsfeed from the oe3 radio channel.

Cue the populist outburst about the media hiding the fact of the perpetrator being Muslim in three...two...one...

Are the police in Berlin working with ISIS to protect their agents?

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...I'm really getting tired of this.
When will people learn...

To ban lorries? Can't see that happening, they're really useful for, you know, moving shit around.

[Aelex]

As I said, just do stricter vetting on refugees, arrest actual radicals, monitor extremist sermons, and prohibit Saudi funding to mosques without alienating Muslims as whole. Then take further actions against organizations that promote hatred against Muslims.

This is why policies not centered on tribalism tend to fail to gain public appeal.

That's actually pretty close to what I've been asking for, tho I personally would go further on some points like closing mosques with radical preachers and isolating from the other inmates radicals Islamists in prison.

[Itoshiki]

As I said, just do stricter vetting on refugees, arrest actual radicals, monitor extremist sermons, and prohibit Saudi funding to mosques without alienating Muslims as whole. Then take further actions against organizations that promote hatred against Muslims.

This is why policies not centered on tribalism tend to fail to gain public appeal.

Or just not have Muslims. There are massive downsides of your plan for the government to outlaw political speech across the spectrum, establish an intrusive surveillance state, and kick down peoples' doors in the middle of the night, and even then often fail to stop attacks. What is the down side of not having Muslims?

As in, expelling people personally identify or registered as Muslims?

[HMS Vanguard]

Or just not have Muslims. There are massive downsides of your plan for the government to outlaw political speech across the spectrum, establish an intrusive surveillance state, and kick down peoples' doors in the middle of the night, and even then often fail to stop attacks. What is the down side of not having Muslims?

As in, expelling people personally identify or registered as Muslims?

Before we talk about removing those here already, can we at least agree on not importing millions more?

[Ifreann]

As I said, just do stricter vetting on refugees, arrest actual radicals, monitor extremist sermons, and prohibit Saudi funding to mosques without alienating Muslims as whole. Then take further actions against organizations that promote hatred against Muslims.

This is why policies not centered on tribalism tend to fail to gain public appeal.

Or just not have Muslims. There are massive downsides of your plan for the government to outlaw political speech across the spectrum, establish an intrusive surveillance state, and kick down peoples' doors in the middle of the night, and even then often fail to stop attacks. What is the down side of not having Muslims?

Well in order to not have Muslims you'd need an intrusive surveillance state and to kick down people's doors in the middle of the night and even then fail to remove all the Muslims.

[HMS Vanguard]

Or just not have Muslims. There are massive downsides of your plan for the government to outlaw political speech across the spectrum, establish an intrusive surveillance state, and kick down peoples' doors in the middle of the night, and even then often fail to stop attacks. What is the down side of not having Muslims?

Well in order to not have Muslims you'd need an intrusive surveillance state and to kick down people's doors in the middle of the night and even then fail to remove all the Muslims.

No you wouldn't. French were expelled from Algeria without those things. All you would need is a punitive tax on Muslims owning property.

[Organized States]

As I said, just do stricter vetting on refugees, arrest actual radicals, monitor extremist sermons, and prohibit Saudi funding to mosques without alienating Muslims as whole. Then take further actions against organizations that promote hatred against Muslims.

This is why policies not centered on tribalism tend to fail to gain public appeal.

Or just not have Muslims. There are massive downsides of your plan for the government to outlaw political speech across the spectrum, establish an intrusive surveillance state, and kick down peoples' doors in the middle of the night, and even then often fail to stop attacks. What is the down side of not having Muslims?

Oh, so basically you want to outlaw an entire religion and establish an intrusive surveillance state to make sure that no Muslims get in or come back?

Come on. Blanket Solutions don't work.

[Itoshiki]

As in, expelling people personally identify or registered as Muslims?

Before we talk about removing those here already, can we at least agree on not importing millions more?

All of those that personally identify or registered as Muslims, from everywhere?