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Postby Grand Proletaria » Sun Dec 18, 2016 5:55 pm

Genghis Khan was quite influential...
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:05 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Napoleon. Father of Liberalism

What


The guy who brought it to the masses and made it work.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:07 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:What


The guy who brought it to the masses and made it work.

More like the guy who destroyed liberal reforms in France to satisfy his massive ego.

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Ostroeuropa wrote:The first, I guess.

Maybe the last, since they have some control over how it all ends, presumably.

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Makes sense I guess?
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Postby Heloin » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:08 pm

I would say possibly Genghis Khan. His empire secured the silk road under a single authority making it a truly viable trading route and helping to expand world trade. The destruction of the Khwarazmian dynasty, the Kievan Rus', and Song China ended empires and cultures. The mongol conquests would effectively ended the Abbasid Caliphate and would (arguably) bring the Black Death into Europe. Those conquest would indirectly lead to the creation of the Ottoman Empire and directly to Russia. Asia as we know it today was shaped by him and his empires conquests.

If not Genghis Khan, Jesus or Muhammad maybe.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:08 pm

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The guy who brought it to the masses and made it work.

More like the guy who destroyed liberal reforms in France to satisfy his massive ego.

Hmm? No, thats not what happend.

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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:09 pm

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Hitler.

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:12 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:More like the guy who destroyed liberal reforms in France to satisfy his massive ego.

Hmm? No, thats not what happend.

I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that toppling a republic and installing a military dictatorship is liberal.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:13 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The guy who brought it to the masses and made it work.

More like the guy who destroyed liberal reforms in France to satisfy his massive ego.

Meh, Napoleon's policies were a big mix of liberal and reactionary elements.
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Postby Philjia » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:14 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Hmm? No, thats not what happend.

I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that toppling a republic and installing a military dictatorship is liberal.


Gladstone has a much more significant legacy.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:15 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:More like the guy who destroyed liberal reforms in France to satisfy his massive ego.

Meh, Napoleon's policies were a big mix of liberal and reactionary elements.

Sure, but with all that it's entirely inaccurate to call Napoleon the "father of liberalism". That'd be like, Locke.

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Postby Grand Proletaria » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:17 pm

New Scario wrote:Hitler.

Hands down.


Hitler was bad, but Stalin and Mao killed more people - plus Stalin and Mao ruled for longer, and ruled larger countries on top.
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Postby Spaceman Spliff » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:18 pm

Grand Proletaria wrote:
New Scario wrote:Hitler.

Hands down.


Hitler was bad, but Stalin and Mao killed more people - plus Stalin and Mao ruled for longer, and ruled larger countries on top.

Yet they were spared for fear of drowning the West in waves of idiot communist conscripts with nuclear footballs from shit countries nobody wanted.
Though I don't see the relevance of this to the topic. Their killscores and times in power don't directly impact their influence.
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Postby Heloin » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:19 pm

New Scario wrote:Hitler.

Hands down.

I'd argue no. He's important for sure but for all of history, probably not.

I'll be honest, since World War I really made what the past century has been I'd say just for the last hundred year Gavrilo Princip is the most influential person.
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Postby Grand Proletaria » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:20 pm

Spaceman Spliff wrote:
Grand Proletaria wrote:
Hitler was bad, but Stalin and Mao killed more people - plus Stalin and Mao ruled for longer, and ruled larger countries on top.

Yet they were spared for fear of drowning the West in waves of idiot communist conscripts with nuclear footballs from shit countries nobody wanted.
Though I don't see the relevance of this to the topic. Their killscores and times in power don't directly impact their influence.


I thought it just showed their power and the fact they had more time to build up influence, but I could be wrong.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:23 pm

New Scario wrote:Hitler.

Hands down.

I don't see how one could argue that.
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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:23 pm

The random guy that figured out how to cultivate fire, although since that was before the invention of writing it's technically not history. In human history (i.e., after the invention of writing) there's probably a tie between many important individuals; Muhammad, Qin Shi Huang, Genghis Khan, Constantine, Julius Caesar, Attila the Hun, etc. In modern times, I'd say Napoleon, Marx, Hitler, Mussolini and Lenin. Eduard Bernstein and Gavrilo Princip are also important but their actions in particular are so tied to others that I don't think that they on their own can be considered to be one of the most influential people in history. Of course, no one individual's actions can be held to be incredibly influential on their own, we're all ultimately influenced by others and our own time periods.
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Postby New Scario » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:24 pm

Spaceman Spliff wrote:
Grand Proletaria wrote:
Hitler was bad, but Stalin and Mao killed more people - plus Stalin and Mao ruled for longer, and ruled larger countries on top.

Yet they were spared for fear of drowning the West in waves of idiot communist conscripts with nuclear footballs from shit countries nobody wanted.
Though I don't see the relevance of this to the topic. Their killscores and times in power don't directly impact their influence.

Hitler set in motion many things that impact our lives today.


nationalism, space exploration, tech, militarism, populism, anti-smoking, the list goes on and on and on..

He forever changed Europe and the world will always know his name.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:24 pm

A few that come to mind quickly, from most to least influential:

Genghis Khan
Adolf Hitler
Alexander the Great
Joseph Stalin
Napoleon Bonaparte
Francis Bacon
Aristotle
Abraham Lincoln
Ferdinand and Isabella (might as well have them together)
Plato
Queen Elizabeth I
Charles Darwin
Johannes Gutenburg
Peter the Great
Mahatma Gandhi

It's really hard to answer a question like this. The farther back in history you go, the more influential certain individuals are, even if their achievements wouldn't shape up to much today.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:26 pm

Heloin wrote:
New Scario wrote:Hitler.

Hands down.

I'd argue no. He's important for sure but for all of history, probably not.

I'll be honest, since World War I really made what the past century has been I'd say just for the last hundred year Gavrilo Princip is the most influential person.

In that case, you ought to go back to Otto von Bismarck for initiating the diplomatic tensions that spurred Gavrilo Princip.
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Postby Spaceman Spliff » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:26 pm

New Scario wrote:
Spaceman Spliff wrote:Yet they were spared for fear of drowning the West in waves of idiot communist conscripts with nuclear footballs from shit countries nobody wanted.
Though I don't see the relevance of this to the topic. Their killscores and times in power don't directly impact their influence.

Hitler set in motion many things that impact our lives today.


nationalism, space exploration, tech, militarism, populism, anti-smoking, the list goes on and on and on..

He forever changed Europe and the world will always know his name.

He became a good example of how nationalism, militarism, hyperfocus on technological advantage in military forces and populism are all bad. The V2 did inaugurate space exploration and was designed by a very ambitious young engineer called Wernher von Braun and the Nazis made many leaps in technological research.
Anti-smoking?...I'm pretty sure that was forgotten until scientists showed it was actually bad for your health.
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NoahS SeconD CountrY wrote:The first organisms on Earth, whomever they may have been. They evolved into all of us, right?

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