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Postby Othelos » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:07 pm

New Scario wrote:
Othelos wrote:anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

I see friendliness as a non-issue. We should aim to be able to have a close and positive relationship. If Russia is indeed trying to influence the election, then yes, we should be concerned. Although its more so angry democrats and disgruntled republicans pointing the finger.


However, overturning the election results would cause more trouble than I think we could imagination.

I don't think overturning the election result is a good idea, either; and them having meddled in the election isn't a strong enough reason, anyway.

We could have a close and positive relationship, if it wasn't for the fact that Russia often has very different goals than we do, and they ally themselves with nations we sometimes have trouble with (namely, China and Iran).

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Gauthier wrote:Republicans don't care about violation of confidence or secrecy as long as what gets exposed serves their ends, i.e. Linda Tripp secretly recording the phone conversation with Monica Lewinsky about the Clinton affair.

So people shouldn't be able to know the truth? We shouldn't know the Dems openly tried to rig their primaries and have foreign contributions?

The democratic party is just as corrupt (or, probably more so) than the Republican party. This election cycle laid democratic corruption bare.
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:07 pm

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San Lumen wrote:the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.

They'll pull a page from the Bush playbook and ideals have the U.S. in a military conflict probably with China or Iran to use the Can't Vote Out a War President excuse for Trump.

Not a bad idea actually...

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:07 pm

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Uxupox wrote:It wasn't the Cubans that was operating them.

Irrelevant since the infrastructure wasn't there in Cuba *to* use them.


They did not have the capacity to reach american cities that much is true but the Russian commander was authorized to use them as tactical nuclear warheads in the defense of Cuba.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:08 pm

Gauthier wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.

They'll pull a page from the Bush playbook and ideals have the U.S. in a military conflict probably with China or Iran to use the Can't Vote Out a War President excuse for Trump.

Ya nobody wants to go to war anytime soon. We just got out of a 10+ year war
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:08 pm

Gauthier wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.

They'll pull a page from the Bush playbook and ideals have the U.S. in a military conflict probably with China or Iran to use the Can't Vote Out a War President excuse for Trump.

I dont think its going to play very well

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:08 pm

Gauthier wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.

They'll pull a page from the Bush playbook and ideals have the U.S. in a military conflict probably with China or Iran to use the Can't Vote Out a War President excuse for Trump.


It'll be a joint invasion from Russia and the US into Iran.
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Postby Novus America » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:08 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Uxupox wrote:It wasn't the Cubans that was operating them.

Irrelevant since the infrastructure wasn't there in Cuba *to* use them.


Well the Soviets were completely bluffing in the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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Postby The East Marches » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:09 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:They'll pull a page from the Bush playbook and ideals have the U.S. in a military conflict probably with China or Iran to use the Can't Vote Out a War President excuse for Trump.

Ya nobody wants to go to war anytime soon. We just got out of a 10+ year war


We're still not out, its the eternal war
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:10 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Gauthier wrote:They'll pull a page from the Bush playbook and ideals have the U.S. in a military conflict probably with China or Iran to use the Can't Vote Out a War President excuse for Trump.

Not a bad idea actually...

It's not going to work this time around though, especially if your opponent says "no more foreign wars, American jobs first!" You need a cool down of about 10 years be for ya start another one.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:11 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya nobody wants to go to war anytime soon. We just got out of a 10+ year war


We're still not out, its the eternal war

Which just proves my point even further. As nobody wants to go to war anytime soon
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Postby Xuskeuclite » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:11 pm

I wish all these threads would end 2 "maga threads" and now this cmon how long are you people going to talk about Trump?

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Postby Arlenton » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:11 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Not a bad idea actually...

It's not going to work this time around though, especially if your opponent says "no more foreign wars, American jobs first!" You need a cool down of about 10 years be for ya start another one.

Damn. You're probably right.

I always couldn't stand Trump's isolationist positions...

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 pm

Xuskeuclite wrote:I wish all these threads would end 2 "maga threads" and now this cmon how long are you people going to talk about Trump?


Gonna be a long ride buddy. Either for the next 4 years or 8 years depending on how the guys does.
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Postby New Scario » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Not a bad idea actually...

It's not going to work this time around though, especially if your opponent says "no more foreign wars, American jobs first!" You need a cool down of about 10 years be for ya start another one.

This tactic isnt a exclusively new one. Both parties are using it.
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Postby Pirelin » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 pm

Wait, is the "this is serious" part of the title supposed to be a joke?
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Postby The East Marches » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
We're still not out, its the eternal war

Which just proves my point even further. As nobody wants to go to war anytime soon


I don't agree. We've got plenty of warhawks on both sides. Its all on how you dress it up that depends on whether they support it.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:12 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's not going to work this time around though, especially if your opponent says "no more foreign wars, American jobs first!" You need a cool down of about 10 years be for ya start another one.

Damn. You're probably right.

I always couldn't stand Trump's isolationist positions...


They are fucking the greatest thing.
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:13 pm

Xuskeuclite wrote:I wish all these threads would end 2 "maga threads" and now this cmon how long are you people going to talk about Trump?

Until the world ends. But don't worry, plenty are saying that won't be too long from now.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:13 pm

Pirelin wrote:Wait, is the "this is serious" part of the title supposed to be a joke?

No
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:14 pm

Pirelin wrote:Wait, is the "this is serious" part of the title supposed to be a joke?

Yes.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:14 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Which just proves my point even further. As nobody wants to go to war anytime soon


I don't agree. We've got plenty of warhawks on both sides. Its all on how you dress it up that depends on whether they support it.

Very true
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:14 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Xuskeuclite wrote:I wish all these threads would end 2 "maga threads" and now this cmon how long are you people going to talk about Trump?

Until the world ends. But don't worry, plenty are saying that won't be too long from now.

It might very well not be and people voted for someone who doesnt believe in climate change, may have committed treason and talks about using nuclear weapons causally and insulted everyone who wasnt a white male.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:14 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Pirelin wrote:Wait, is the "this is serious" part of the title supposed to be a joke?

No

Arlenton wrote:
Pirelin wrote:Wait, is the "this is serious" part of the title supposed to be a joke?

Yes.

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:14 pm

New Scario wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's not going to work this time around though, especially if your opponent says "no more foreign wars, American jobs first!" You need a cool down of about 10 years be for ya start another one.

This tactic isnt a exclusively new one. Both parties are using it.

I didn't say that it was and nor did I say that only one party used it.
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Until the world ends. But don't worry, plenty are saying that won't be too long from now.

It might very well not be and people voted for someone who doesnt believe in climate change, may have committed treason and talks about using nuclear weapons causally and insulted everyone who wasnt a white male.

That is completely false.

Trump insulted many white males.

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