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Elections, Hacking, Russia, And Trump: This Is Serious

Postby Cattle Mutilators » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:55 pm

Moenhardt wrote:How is Trump gonna start a fucking world war? By being on good terms with Putin and not shitting all over relations with Russia, Syria, and Iran and actually working with those states to stop ISIS?

Hillary was the one who wanted a no fly zone for gods sake, what reality are you living in right now?

So China is just chopped liver, then? They're a third-rate power without nuclear weapons or the means to deliver those weapons all around the world?

Trump has pissed China off by backing Taiwan, and is driving Mexico and China into an alliance with each other while handing Europe over to Russia, and as an appetizer he's planning on sending us into a war with Iran. But somehow it's Hillary who was a threat to our survival.

Go figure.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:57 pm

Cattle Mutilators wrote:
Moenhardt wrote:How is Trump gonna start a fucking world war? By being on good terms with Putin and not shitting all over relations with Russia, Syria, and Iran and actually working with those states to stop ISIS?

Hillary was the one who wanted a no fly zone for gods sake, what reality are you living in right now?

So China is just chopped liver, then? They're a third-rate power without nuclear weapons or the means to deliver those weapons all around the world?

Trump has pissed China off by backing Taiwan, and is driving Mexico and China into an alliance with each other while handing Europe over to Russia, and as an appetizer he's planning on sending us into a war with Iran. But somehow it's Hillary who was a threat to our survival.

Go figure.

Well maybe people will vote out the GOP in two years and in 2020 but i have no faith in the integrity of our elections or the american people.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:57 pm

Novus America wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's all coming down for Trump: FBI backs CIA view that Russia intervened to help Trump win I wouldn't be surprised if the republicans impeach him in February.


On what grounds? What crime did Trump commit? And nobody has said the hacks actually changed the outcome of the election.
I disagree with Trump's view of Putin, but having a policy I disagree with is not a crime.

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:58 pm

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Can you get me the date? I can't find it when they approved it.

The first of March 2011.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/senate-resolution/85/text


Edged on by both the British and French. Initially the US didn't want to implement it due to possibly violating Libya's sovereignty.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:58 pm

Novus America wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It's all coming down for Trump: FBI backs CIA view that Russia intervened to help Trump win I wouldn't be surprised if the republicans impeach him in February.


On what grounds? What crime did Trump commit? And nobody has said the hacks actually changed the outcome of the election.
I disagree with Trump's view of Putin, but having a policy I disagree with is not a crime.

Well just that the republicans don't exactly like Trump and a good chunk of them aren't fans of Russia, but they love Pence.
You know as well as I do that they could come up with something to charge him if they really wanted to. Hell they had 8 Benghazi hearings that found nothing, I'm sure they could find something.


I'm not saying that they will, I'm just saying that I wouldn't be surprised.

I disagree with Trump's view on Putin as well. I'm not say that Trump committed a crime, I'm just say that it wouldn't surprise me if the republicans tried to kick him out and get Pence.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:58 pm

Cattle Mutilators wrote:
Moenhardt wrote:How is Trump gonna start a fucking world war? By being on good terms with Putin and not shitting all over relations with Russia, Syria, and Iran and actually working with those states to stop ISIS?

Hillary was the one who wanted a no fly zone for gods sake, what reality are you living in right now?

So China is just chopped liver, then? They're a third-rate power without nuclear weapons or the means to deliver those weapons all around the world?

Trump has pissed China off by backing Taiwan, and is driving Mexico and China into an alliance with each other while handing Europe over to Russia, and as an appetizer he's planning on sending us into a war with Iran. But somehow it's Hillary who was a threat to our survival.

Go figure.


Need a source for that.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:58 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Novus America wrote:
On what grounds? What crime did Trump commit? And nobody has said the hacks actually changed the outcome of the election.
I disagree with Trump's view of Putin, but having a policy I disagree with is not a crime.

Treason

That's extremely hard to prove. And the US isn't at war with Russia.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:58 pm

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I'd prefer a missile system. They'll shrug off troops.


That's just gonna restart the Cuba missile crisis all over again.


That's alright.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:59 pm

Cattle Mutilators wrote:
Moenhardt wrote:How is Trump gonna start a fucking world war? By being on good terms with Putin and not shitting all over relations with Russia, Syria, and Iran and actually working with those states to stop ISIS?

Hillary was the one who wanted a no fly zone for gods sake, what reality are you living in right now?

So China is just chopped liver, then? They're a third-rate power without nuclear weapons or the means to deliver those weapons all around the world?

Trump has pissed China off by backing Taiwan, and is driving Mexico and China into an alliance with each other while handing Europe over to Russia, and as an appetizer he's planning on sending us into a war with Iran. But somehow it's Hillary who was a threat to our survival.

Go figure.

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Postby New Scario » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:59 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Cattle Mutilators wrote:So China is just chopped liver, then? They're a third-rate power without nuclear weapons or the means to deliver those weapons all around the world?

Trump has pissed China off by backing Taiwan, and is driving Mexico and China into an alliance with each other while handing Europe over to Russia, and as an appetizer he's planning on sending us into a war with Iran. But somehow it's Hillary who was a threat to our survival.

Go figure.

Well maybe people will vote out the GOP in two years and in 2020 but i have no faith in the integrity of our elections or the american people.

I doubt it. The GOP have more dedicated voters than the Democrats. Although the Dems are the popular choice, their voters arent as dedicated and enthusiastic.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:00 pm

New Scario wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Well maybe people will vote out the GOP in two years and in 2020 but i have no faith in the integrity of our elections or the american people.

I doubt it. The GOP have more dedicated voters than the Democrats. Although the Dems are the popular choice, their voters arent as dedicated and enthusiastic.

the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:01 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
That's just gonna restart the Cuba missile crisis all over again.


That's alright.


If negotiations did not conclude the US would have invaded mainland Cuba which was armed with Nuclear warheads.
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Postby Arlenton » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:01 pm

San Lumen wrote:
New Scario wrote:I doubt it. The GOP have more dedicated voters than the Democrats. Although the Dems are the popular choice, their voters arent as dedicated and enthusiastic.

the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.


Wow.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:02 pm

Uxupox wrote:If negotiations did not conclude the US would have invaded mainland Cuba which was armed with Nuclear warheads.

Might've been for the best in the long run. That's fifty years of relations back, y'know. And Cuba didn't have the missile capability to use them.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:02 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Uxupox wrote:If negotiations did not conclude the US would have invaded mainland Cuba which was armed with Nuclear warheads.

Might've been for the best in the long run. That's fifty years of relations back, y'know. And Cuba didn't have the missile capability to use them.


It wasn't the Cubans that was operating them.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:04 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Might've been for the best in the long run. That's fifty years of relations back, y'know. And Cuba didn't have the missile capability to use them.


It wasn't the Cubans that was operating them.

Moscow could have used a redecorating :p
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Postby New Scario » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:04 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.


Wow.

Or people have a right to vote for who they want.

This is the kind of elitist "holier than thou" BS that helped the Democrats lose the election.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
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It wasn't the Cubans that was operating them.

Moscow could have used a redecorating :p


maybe but red is a primary color.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:05 pm

Arlenton wrote:
San Lumen wrote:the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.


Wow.

Ya that's a little much.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:05 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
That's alright.


If negotiations did not conclude the US would have invaded mainland Cuba which was armed with Nuclear warheads.


It was doubtful they wouldn't have. As well, an invasion of Cuba wouldn't have been off the table. When you deal with politics like this, backing down and being whipped is not the way to go.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:05 pm

Uxupox wrote:It wasn't the Cubans that was operating them.

Irrelevant since the infrastructure wasn't there in Cuba *to* use them.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:05 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Moscow could have used a redecorating :p


maybe but red is a primary color.

I was thinking more of nuclear crater black.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
New Scario wrote:I doubt it. The GOP have more dedicated voters than the Democrats. Although the Dems are the popular choice, their voters arent as dedicated and enthusiastic.

the presidents party is never favored in midterms. And if they actually do what they say they will if people vote them in again they are beyond saving and dont deserve democracy.

They'll pull a page from the Bush playbook and ideals have the U.S. in a military conflict probably with China or Iran to use the Can't Vote Out a War President excuse for Trump.
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:07 pm

New Scario wrote:
Arlenton wrote:
Wow.

Or people have a right to vote for who they want.

This is the kind of elitist "holier than thou" BS that helped the Democrats lose the election.

And a good chunk the party and most of the leadership has recognized that.
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