Elections, Hacking, Russia, And Trump: This Is Serious

[Othelos]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

[Conserative Morality]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

Yeah, I used to at least trust conservatives to remain strong on keeping American power foremost in the world.

[Gauthier]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

Yeah, I used to at least trust conservatives to remain strong on keeping American power foremost in the world.

I'd say it's part of the anti-Obama backlash. They were worshipping his manly chest in comparison to Obama long before 2016.

[Geilinor]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/gop-russia-putin-support-232714
The danger is very real. But I'm not surprised, Putin helped Trump win and now Republicans will reward him. They trust him more than their own president, who they will always hate for some reason.

[Novus America]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

Yeah, I used to at least trust conservatives to remain strong on keeping American power foremost in the world.

While I am obviously not a fan of Putin and have no idea what the right sees in him, Russia is not a credible rival or a threat to the US beyond its nuclear weapons. We have over twice the population, 15 times the economy. And they are not catching up, actually falling further behind.
http://rbth.com/defence/2016/12/14/russ ... ars_657428
Russia cannot keep up, it will keep falling further and further behind other powers.
Our population and economy are growing faster. The real threat is China.

[Gauthier]

If Russia did attempt to influence this election, and it is looking fairly likely that they did, it is simply karma biting us in the butt. I mean, how many foreign elections has the US attempted to influence in the past? We have sent in troops and advisors, we have propped up regimes, we have declared election results invalid, we have insisted that so and so must go, etc.

All of a sudden, when someone does it to us, it is a big deal and, according to some commentators, an act of war.

Can we say hypocrisy?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

America needs to atone for sins of the past by becoming the Russian Satellite of Trumpistan. *nod*

[PaNTuXIa]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

No, why would I be afraid of international cooperation?

[Geilinor]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

No, why would I be afraid of international cooperation?

Why should we cooperate with people who seek to weaken us? If there are areas of mutual benefit, we can consider something.

[Gauthier]

No, why would I be afraid of international cooperation?

Why should we cooperate with people who seek to weaken us?

Strongman Fetishism.

[Elwher]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

America needs to atone for sins of the past by becoming the Russian Satellite of Trumpistan. *nod*

No we need to put on our big boy pants and admit that nations do this to each other, and stop the whining.

[Othelos]

Yeah, I used to at least trust conservatives to remain strong on keeping American power foremost in the world.

While I am obviously not a fan of Putin and have no idea what the right sees in him, Russia is not a credible rival or a threat to the US beyond its nuclear weapons. We have over twice the population, 15 times the economy. And they are not catching up, actually falling further behind.
http://rbth.com/defence/2016/12/14/russ ... ars_657428
Russia cannot keep up, it will keep falling further and further behind other powers.
Our population and economy are growing faster. The real threat is China.

Just because they have a smaller economy and population, doesn't mean they can't exert their own influence. They ally with the wrong people and they meddle in other countries' business. Russia is still a threat that we have to be concerned about.

[Othelos]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

Yeah, I used to at least trust conservatives to remain strong on keeping American power foremost in the world.

Same. I find it strange that as a liberal leaning person, in comparison to some conservatives, I am more hawkish and "conservative" on foreign policy.

[The Kievan People]

Russia is a troublemaker but China is the real threat to America and the West in the long run.

If Trump can somehow wrench Russia and China apart it would be one of the greatest foreign policy triumphs in US history. Even if the price would likely be very high. Obama tried to do this but failed spectacularly. Trumps popularity in Russia may actually give him a chance.

[New Scario]

I love how the Democrats would love to run with the narrative of their info being exposed being "wrong" and then totally ignore and pass over the accounts of blatant primary rigging, money laundering, etc.

Its despicable. They'd rather point the finger than acknowledge their own faults.


Not to mention, they ARE the same party that mocked Mitt Romney for calling Russia our "biggest geopolitical threat" in 2012.

[Hirota]

I'm only just catching up with some of this, but the CIA is complaining about a nation meddling in their electoral process? Really?

[Gauthier]

I love how the Democrats would love to run with the narrative of their info being exposed being "wrong" and then totally ignore and pass over the accounts of blatant primary rigging, money laundering, etc.

Its despicable. They'd rather point the finger than acknowledge their own faults.


Not to mention, they ARE the same party that mocked Mitt Romney for calling Russia our "biggest geopolitical threat" in 2012.

Republicans don't care about violation of confidence or secrecy as long as what gets exposed serves their ends, i.e. Linda Tripp secretly recording the phone conversation with Monica Lewinsky about the Clinton affair.

[New Scario]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

I see friendliness as a non-issue. We should aim to be able to have a close and positive relationship. If Russia is indeed trying to influence the election, then yes, we should be concerned. Although its more so angry democrats and disgruntled republicans pointing the finger.


However, overturning the election results would cause more trouble than I think we could imagination.

[The Kievan People]

Republicans don't care about violation of confidence or secrecy as long as what gets exposed serves their ends, i.e. Linda Tripp secretly recording the phone conversation with Monica Lewinsky about the Clinton affair.

Or like when Trump was recorded saying grab em by the pussy?

[New Scario]

I love how the Democrats would love to run with the narrative of their info being exposed being "wrong" and then totally ignore and pass over the accounts of blatant primary rigging, money laundering, etc.

Its despicable. They'd rather point the finger than acknowledge their own faults.


Not to mention, they ARE the same party that mocked Mitt Romney for calling Russia our "biggest geopolitical threat" in 2012.

Republicans don't care about violation of confidence or secrecy as long as what gets exposed serves their ends, i.e. Linda Tripp secretly recording the phone conversation with Monica Lewinsky about the Clinton affair.

So people shouldn't be able to know the truth? We shouldn't know the Dems openly tried to rig their primaries and have foreign contributions?

[Uxupox]

anyone else concerned that some conservatives are warming up to Putin?

Yeah, I used to at least trust conservatives to remain strong on keeping American power foremost in the world.

Its time to stop.

[Gauthier]

Republicans don't care about violation of confidence or secrecy as long as what gets exposed serves their ends, i.e. Linda Tripp secretly recording the phone conversation with Monica Lewinsky about the Clinton affair.

Or like when Trump was recorded saying grab em by the pussy?

Comparing a private conversation with an interview for a tabloid show. Classy.

[Gauthier]

Republicans don't care about violation of confidence or secrecy as long as what gets exposed serves their ends, i.e. Linda Tripp secretly recording the phone conversation with Monica Lewinsky about the Clinton affair.

So people shouldn't be able to know the truth? We shouldn't know the Dems openly tried to rig their primaries and have foreign contributions?

Guaranteed if some Republican skullduggery was exposed in a similar manner you wouldn't be crying about how it needed to come out.

[New Scario]

Republicans don't care about violation of confidence or secrecy as long as what gets exposed serves their ends, i.e. Linda Tripp secretly recording the phone conversation with Monica Lewinsky about the Clinton affair.

So people shouldn't be able to know the truth? We shouldn't know the Dems openly tried to rig their primaries and have foreign contributions?

I simply do not buy the notion that just because this info helps the republicans doesn't mean it should not have been exposed. Its wrong, and despicable. "Oh but it helped (insert republican) win so its an outrage"

Bullshit. The democrats were more interested in covering tracks and pointing fingers than admitting what they did was wrong with regards to what was found in the hacks.

ALSO NOTABLE: Democrats also dismissed the emails as "forged" and the hacked documents as "false" when the stories broke until they convuluted the Russia narrative.

[Conserative Morality]

While I am obviously not a fan of Putin and have no idea what the right sees in him, Russia is not a credible rival or a threat to the US beyond its nuclear weapons. We have over twice the population, 15 times the economy. And they are not catching up, actually falling further behind.
http://rbth.com/defence/2016/12/14/russ ... ars_657428
Russia cannot keep up, it will keep falling further and further behind other powers.
Our population and economy are growing faster. The real threat is China.

Coalitions and hegemony are far more important than head-to-head national statistics.

[New Scario]

So people shouldn't be able to know the truth? We shouldn't know the Dems openly tried to rig their primaries and have foreign contributions?

Guaranteed if some Republican skullduggery was exposed in a similar manner you wouldn't be crying about how it needed to come out.

I absolutely would be crying foul. I wouldnt be mad if the democrats didnt try to cover their tracks. Its like being caught cheating and getting mad that you got caught.