Elections, Hacking, Russia, And Trump: This Is Serious

[Hittanryan]

Definitely.

Then you should keep believing Russia stole the election, its almost poetic.

One is unrelated to the other.

[Hittanryan]

So what does that say about Trump if the "unelectable" candidate got more votes than he did?

California has very low standards of politicians, probably. Remove them from the equation and Trump leads the popular vote by approximately 1.8 million.

"If you change the meaning of the term 'national popular vote,' then Trump won!"

You know, the election is over. Trump supporters are going to have to start defending their shit candidate on his own merits and policies instead of just prattling on about Hillary Clinton.

[Opfornia]

America is a federal republic of states, one state doesn't get to decide a federal election.

Does the term "swing state" mean anything to you?

It's not one state that decides the federal election. It's five

(Oh, and California isn't one of them)

America is a federal republic of states, one state doesn't get to decide a federal election.

Most elections are decided by at most six states. In this case it was three.

The president is representative of the electorate at a state level, if we left the election to popular vote, the population of giant US cities (which are disproportionately liberal) would control every election. The founding fathers instituted the electoral college for a reason, and it was to protect the minority.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-electo ... interests/

[Vassenor]

California has very low standards of politicians, probably. Remove them from the equation and Trump leads the popular vote by approximately 1.8 million.

"If you change the meaning of the term 'national popular vote,' then Trump won!"

You know, the election is over. Trump supporters are going to have to start defending their shit candidate on his own merits and policies instead of just prattling on about Hillary Clinton.

BUT THE EMAILS

[Elwher]

California has very low standards of politicians, probably. Remove them from the equation and Trump leads the popular vote by approximately 1.8 million.

"If you change the meaning of the term 'national popular vote,' then Trump won!"

You know, the election is over. Trump supporters are going to have to start defending their shit candidate on his own merits and policies instead of just prattling on about Hillary Clinton.

There is really no such thing as a national popular vote, or at best, it is a meaningless number. If the election laws were different, then the campaigns would have been different as well, and no one (with the possible exception of Harry Turtledove) can predict how it would have turned out. To harp on that number would be the equivalent of claiming that since my football team made more yards than yours, it really won the game even though yours scored more points.

[Opfornia]

"If you change the meaning of the term 'national popular vote,' then Trump won!"

You know, the election is over. Trump supporters are going to have to start defending their shit candidate on his own merits and policies instead of just prattling on about Hillary Clinton.

BUT THE EMAILS

IT WAS HER TURN!

[Lady Scylla]

And you're under the impression that Trump is somehow not corrupt or immoral himself? I do like the cherry-picking people put on, especially Trump supporters who are willingly capable of ignoring the misgivings of the Republicans, or their own candidate, while simultaneously looking for a horse to ride on to feel superior to the Democrats/Libs/whateverthenewtermthesedaysis. It's absolute bullshit, and completely stupid and disingenuous thinking, and largely the fault of why this country has become utter trash. The public has become so politically polarised that anything short of an absolute schism in policy would make heads roll.

But, I can give you a newsflash from reality -- Governments are corrupt, it is their inherent nature, they have to be to get anything actually done -- neither party is a saint in this regard, to think so is laughably blind. I do enjoy this whole black and white charade people put on, especially involving this election and I do hope reality comes knocking hard enough to force them into the mud where they'll have to face the bullshit they've refused to acknowledge for so long. You're no exception to this, just as much as I am. Politics has no room for morality.

So no, I don't believe you're any more moral than I am. You're aware of your shit candidate, at least have the balls to admit it.

And people in this thread said that I was being edgy.

Have anything more intelligent to say or are you going to continue with your off-hand, half-assed remarks and waste my time? I've a very low tolerance for people's bullshit, so if that's all you have, then perhaps you should vacate.

[Imperializt Russia]

Does the term "swing state" mean anything to you?

It's not one state that decides the federal election. It's five

(Oh, and California isn't one of them)

Most elections are decided by at most six states. In this case it was three.

The president is representative of the electorate at a state level, if we left the election to popular vote, the population of giant US cities (which are disproportionately liberal) would control every election. The founding fathers instituted the electoral college for a reason, and it was to protect the minority.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-electo ... interests/

Yes.

And it made it so that five states decide the election, not 50.

Remember that there weren't even parties when the electoral college was devised.

[Lady Scylla]

California has very low standards of politicians, probably. Remove them from the equation and Trump leads the popular vote by approximately 1.8 million.

"If you change the meaning of the term 'national popular vote,' then Trump won!"

You know, the election is over. Trump supporters are going to have to start defending their shit candidate on his own merits and policies instead of just prattling on about Hillary Clinton.

'He made creepy comments about his daughter'

'IT'S JUST LOCKER ROOM BANTER'

[Opfornia]

And people in this thread said that I was being edgy.

Have anything more intelligent to say or are you going to continue with your off-hand, half-assed remarks and waste my time? I've a very low tolerance for people's bullshit, so if that's all you have, then perhaps you should vacate.

Sorry I don't have the same defeatist and nihilistic world view, you can feel free to run along.

[Lady Scylla]

The president is representative of the electorate at a state level, if we left the election to popular vote, the population of giant US cities (which are disproportionately liberal) would control every election. The founding fathers instituted the electoral college for a reason, and it was to protect the minority.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-electo ... interests/

Yes.

And it made it so that five states decide the election, not 50.

Remember that there weren't even parties when the electoral college was devised.

Weren't parties, and the country was mostly agricultural and not very urbanised.

[Vassenor]

Does the term "swing state" mean anything to you?

It's not one state that decides the federal election. It's five

(Oh, and California isn't one of them)

Most elections are decided by at most six states. In this case it was three.

The president is representative of the electorate at a state level, if we left the election to popular vote, the population of giant US cities (which are disproportionately liberal) would control every election. The founding fathers instituted the electoral college for a reason, and it was to protect the minority.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-electo ... interests/

Reminder that winning 100% of the vote in all 100 of the largest cities in the US gives you about 20% of the popular vote.

[Opfornia]

The president is representative of the electorate at a state level, if we left the election to popular vote, the population of giant US cities (which are disproportionately liberal) would control every election. The founding fathers instituted the electoral college for a reason, and it was to protect the minority.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/the-electo ... interests/

Yes.

And it made it so that five states decide the election, not 50.

Remember that there weren't even parties when the electoral college was devised.

And then after the invention of parties, and to this date, it has worked as intended. With minor tweaking between the years.

[Hittanryan]

BUT THE EMAILS

IT WAS HER TURN!

Defend your candidate's position on Russian election interference. Why is Trump so afraid of an investigation? Why is there bipartisan support for said investigation if the intelligence community is supposedly partisan? Why shouldn't the US government work to understand how this cyberwarfare campaign was carried out so we can better defend against similar attacks in the future?

[Imperializt Russia]

BUT THE EMAILS

IT WAS HER TURN!

This is probably your shittest shitpost so far.

[Lady Scylla]

Have anything more intelligent to say or are you going to continue with your off-hand, half-assed remarks and waste my time? I've a very low tolerance for people's bullshit, so if that's all you have, then perhaps you should vacate.

Sorry I don't have the same defeatist and nihilistic world view, you can feel free to run along.

Come on now, give me something of an argument. You completely dodged what I said for a cheap remark, surely you can put together something more worthwhile. Right now, it looks like you've decided to retreat into an echo chamber at the first sign of criticism. They're not bomb-proof to reality, so you're going to need to find a better way to actually converse, else you're going to knock yourself down a few notches to the point that none here are going to bother debating with you. As far as me having a defeatist attitude, that's laughable.

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes.

And it made it so that five states decide the election, not 50.

Remember that there weren't even parties when the electoral college was devised.

And then after the invention of parties, and to this date, it has worked as intended. With minor tweaking between the years.

Define "worked".

In almost every election, the winner of the electoral college just happens to be the winner of the popular vote. It's not like in the UK, where the number of senators elected physically decides the government, you are literally voting for your government and your president to lead it.

So what's the point? The Repubs would still completely dominate the senate and Congress, so it's not like Mean Old Hillary is going to start ramming through liberal propaganda, she's going to still be stonewalled at every turn, possibly even hard than Obama.

[Opfornia]

Boy, if I weren't here, none of you would have anyone to disagree with on this matter. Trump is a no good puppet, and the most powerful nation on Earth just allowed itself to become a satellite over the course of a year. We live in a dystopian novel, he's going to execute homosexuals and minorities, we'll all be in gulags speaking Russian.

[Vassenor]

Yes.

And it made it so that five states decide the election, not 50.

Remember that there weren't even parties when the electoral college was devised.

And then after the invention of parties, and to this date, it has worked as intended. With minor tweaking between the years.

So a seven percent failure rate is "working as intended"?

Would you tolerate a sport where there was a seven percent chance that the loser would win?

[Imperializt Russia]

Boy, if I weren't here, none of you would have anyone to disagree with on this matter. Trump is a no good puppet, and the most powerful nation on Earth just allowed itself to become a satellite over the course of a year.

You're just mad that American Dad! predicted this a decade ago.

[Hittanryan]

Boy, if I weren't here, none of you would have anyone to disagree with on this matter. Trump is a no good puppet, and the most powerful nation on Earth just allowed itself to become a satellite over the course of a year.

Defend your candidate's positions.

[Lady Scylla]

Boy, if I weren't here, none of you would have anyone to disagree with on this matter. Trump is a no good puppet, and the most powerful nation on Earth just allowed itself to become a satellite over the course of a year.

The best part about someone with a sense of arrogant superiority is that they're easily shamed, and often insecure. I've seen better as far as someone who can disagree with those here. Your first reaction is to make cheap shots. How very telling.

[Elwher]

And then after the invention of parties, and to this date, it has worked as intended. With minor tweaking between the years.

So a seven percent failure rate is "working as intended"?

Would you tolerate a sport where there was a seven percent chance that the loser would win?

The people who design the sport, be it football, stock car racing, or elections, set the rules. The rules were followed in this election, so the winner according to the rules in place won

[Lady Scylla]

Boy, if I weren't here, none of you would have anyone to disagree with on this matter. Trump is a no good puppet, and the most powerful nation on Earth just allowed itself to become a satellite over the course of a year.

Defend your candidate's positions.

He can't.

[Lady Scylla]

Boy, if I weren't here, none of you would have anyone to disagree with on this matter. Trump is a no good puppet, and the most powerful nation on Earth just allowed itself to become a satellite over the course of a year.

You're just mad that American Dad! predicted this a decade ago.

Has that show actually been around for 10 years?