Elections, Hacking, Russia, And Trump: This Is Serious

[The Gurcistani Respublika]

When Comey claimed that new e-mail had come to light that directly linked to Weinergate, there were three significant problems.

First: the FBI had already closed a year long investigation having decided there were no charges to file. Even if there had been significant new data in the alleged e-mails, this had nothing to do with the investigation that had already been completed.

Second: although Comey rushed to release, it transpired that there was absolutely nothing incriminating in the e-mails. Comey, therefore, made public an investigation that had no real reason to be linked to the election cycle, AND which proved to have no substance.

Third: Perhaps most importantly, since the days of Mukasey, at least, there has been an FBI policy of not only not interfering in election processes, but also taking extraspecial care to be seen NOT to interfere.

What Comey did definitely had some consequence on the elections, was definitely in breach of established protocol, and definitely had partisan effect.


Of course, Comey isn't what we are specifically discussing here... so why did I bring it up?

Clinton HAD been investigated. The e-mails DID exist. The FBI are absolutely legitimately RIGHT to investigate such a link, if it exists...

But even with all that being true - it was still wrong for the FBI to disclose an investigation on such flimsy grounds, so close to an election. It was still wrong for the FBI to interfere in the democratic process - even if EVERY claim made along the way is valid.


And this is why it matters that Russia deliberately interfered with the democratic process. Even if everything they did was legal and right (which, clearly, is not the case), and even if the only effect was to release and emphasize certain actions of active parties - the interference in the democratic process is still wrong.

In terms of Russia, while I agree that there was obviously Russian interference in the elections, I'd like to point out that it's a bit hypocritical to be upset by Russian involvement in American affairs when the US was doing the exact same thing during Russian federal elections barely a decade prior. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for screwing around with Ivan, but what goes around comes around, and you reap what you sow.

There's a point in complaining about impotence when it comes to silencing inferior countries.

[IceBuddha]

That is factually incorrect.

The FBI did carry out their own investigation. All Crowdstrike did was make a private assessment prior to that.

They never took one look at the DNC server. For all intents and purposes they outsourced it to a group of ideological hacks.

First off, CrowdStrike is a respected firm in the security industry, not a political lobby.

Second, the investigation is broader than just "a server". The FBI warned the DNC that it was being targeted by state-based attackers back in September 2015. The DNC installed FBI monitoring software in their network in April 2016. To claim that the entire investigation was "outsourced" to CrowdStrike is pretty ridiculous.

[Imperializt Russia]

"Politicians shouldn't sit idly by, they should be doing something when there are problems in markets like the global crash"

This is generic af "politician talk", what is the alleged problem here?

Do you actually need me to go and quote the entire selections where she speaks about having a private and public policy? Do yourself a favor and CTRL-F, search "Private" it will pop up for you, or just read the whole fucking thing, it isn't that long. What is with this hand holding?

Ctrl+F "private"
"0 out of 0"

Oh dear.

Ctrl+F "public"
"1 out of 1"

Ahh.

"Republican"

Oh.

You've given me the wrong link, or you're literally seeing things.
So yes, please do highlight for me this "public/private" thing you're so worked up about you provide me links that literally don't talk about them.

[Cannot think of a name]

Even a thread discussing how Russia hacked into US servers and stole files to leak along with conducting an outright propaganda war to shill for Trump is pockmarked with clucks of "BUT BUT BWCAWK CLINTON!"

It's not like Trump or the Russian leak are easy to defend. Better to go to the tried and true poison well of Hillary. Change the subject! Hillary said something once, that's what's important! If we focus on Trump too long we all just get a sad. Better pretend that there weren't really alternatives.

[Sanctissima]

In terms of Russia, while I agree that there was obviously Russian interference in the elections, I'd like to point out that it's a bit hypocritical to be upset by Russian involvement in American affairs when the US was doing the exact same thing during Russian federal elections barely a decade prior. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for screwing around with Ivan, but what goes around comes around, and you reap what you sow.

There's a point in complaining about impotence when it comes to silencing inferior countries.

I mean, sure, Russia isn't a superpower anymore, but it's hardly lacking in power. I mean, Crimea isn't currently part of Russia because the world felt sorry for the poor Russian teddy bear. It's part of Russia because few people are willing to dick around with a grizzly bear that's drunk on vodka.

[Opfornia]

Do you actually need me to go and quote the entire selections where she speaks about having a private and public policy? Do yourself a favor and CTRL-F, search "Private" it will pop up for you, or just read the whole fucking thing, it isn't that long. What is with this hand holding?

Ctrl+F "private"
"0 out of 0"

Oh dear.

Ctrl+F "public"
"1 out of 1"

Ahh.

"Republican"

Oh.

You've given me the wrong link, or you're literally seeing things.
So yes, please do highlight for me this "public/private" thing you're so worked up about you provide me links that literally don't talk about them.

*CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY* *Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.”* CLINTON: You just have to sort of figure out how to -- getting back to that word, "balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think -- I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it's like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what's going to work and what's not going to work. [Clinton Speech For National Multi-Housing Council, 4/24/13]

Now were you lying or just helpless? Cause I scrolled down and found this immediately.

[Imperializt Russia]

Ctrl+F "private"
"0 out of 0"

Oh dear.

Ctrl+F "public"
"1 out of 1"

Ahh.

"Republican"

Oh.

You've given me the wrong link, or you're literally seeing things.
So yes, please do highlight for me this "public/private" thing you're so worked up about you provide me links that literally don't talk about them.

*CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY* *Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.”* CLINTON: You just have to sort of figure out how to -- getting back to that word, "balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think -- I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it's like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what's going to work and what's not going to work. [Clinton Speech For National Multi-Housing Council, 4/24/13]

Now were you lying or just helpless?

The actual link you provided me included nothing of this, and I wasn't going to download three word documents from wikileaks. It would have been handy if you'd told me that it was in the file attachments, rather than the body of the email.
Go and search for public or private in the email body. You will get one match, total, and it's for "Republican", not "public".

You still haven't demonstrated that this is a bad thing or that it is evidence she's lied about anything.
You've literally just run screaming "PUBLIC/PRIVATE" and provided some quotes where she uses those words as if she just admitted to being secretly reptilian.

[Opfornia]

*CLINTON SAYS YOU NEED TO HAVE A PRIVATE AND PUBLIC POSITION ON POLICY* *Clinton: “But If Everybody's Watching, You Know, All Of The Back Room Discussions And The Deals, You Know, Then People Get A Little Nervous, To Say The Least. So, You Need Both A Public And A Private Position.”* CLINTON: You just have to sort of figure out how to -- getting back to that word, "balance" -- how to balance the public and the private efforts that are necessary to be successful, politically, and that's not just a comment about today. That, I think, has probably been true for all of our history, and if you saw the Spielberg movie, Lincoln, and how he was maneuvering and working to get the 13th Amendment passed, and he called one of my favorite predecessors, Secretary Seward, who had been the governor and senator from New York, ran against Lincoln for president, and he told Seward, I need your help to get this done. And Seward called some of his lobbyist friends who knew how to make a deal, and they just kept going at it. I mean, politics is like sausage being made. It is unsavory, and it always has been that way, but we usually end up where we need to be. But if everybody's watching, you know, all of the back room discussions and the deals, you know, then people get a little nervous, to say the least. So, you need both a public and a private position. And finally, I think -- I believe in evidence-based decision making. I want to know what the facts are. I mean, it's like when you guys go into some kind of a deal, you know, are you going to do that development or not, are you going to do that renovation or not, you know, you look at the numbers. You try to figure out what's going to work and what's not going to work. [Clinton Speech For National Multi-Housing Council, 4/24/13]

Now were you lying or just helpless?

The actual link you provided me included nothing of this, and I wasn't going to download three word documents from wikileaks. It would have been handy if you'd told me that it was in the file attachments, rather than the body of the email.
Go and search for public or private in the email body. You will get one match, total, and it's for "Republican", not "public".

You still haven't demonstrated that this is a bad thing or that it is evidence she's lied about anything.
You've literally just run screaming "PUBLIC/PRIVATE" and provided some quotes where she uses those words as if she just admitted to being secretly reptilian.

I've tried explaining why this is bad, word for word, but I'm just dismissed as not properly interpreting what she was saying. Don't bother arguing semantics.

Also, I didn't have to download shit, maybe it's different on mobile but I highly doubt that.

[Gauthier]

Even a thread discussing how Russia hacked into US servers and stole files to leak along with conducting an outright propaganda war to shill for Trump is pockmarked with clucks of "BUT BUT BWCAWK CLINTON!"

It's not like Trump or the Russian leak are easy to defend. Better to go to the tried and true poison well of Hillary. Change the subject! Hillary said something once, that's what's important! If we focus on Trump too long we all just get a sad. Better pretend that there weren't really alternatives.

Don't forget memetically sneering about some Democratic voters believing that Russia hacked into voting machines as if that was the actual argument and thus can be contemptuously dismissed with the emptying of bladders.

[Opfornia]

It's not like Trump or the Russian leak are easy to defend. Better to go to the tried and true poison well of Hillary. Change the subject! Hillary said something once, that's what's important! If we focus on Trump too long we all just get a sad. Better pretend that there weren't really alternatives.

Don't forget memetically sneering about some Democratic voters believing that Russia hacked into voting machines as if that was the actual argument and thus can be contemptuously dismissed with the emptying of bladders.

That was the argument during the recount lead by Jill Stein, supposedly the electronic votes were suspicious and thus required investigation for tampering.

[Imperializt Russia]

The actual link you provided me included nothing of this, and I wasn't going to download three word documents from wikileaks. It would have been handy if you'd told me that it was in the file attachments, rather than the body of the email.
Go and search for public or private in the email body. You will get one match, total, and it's for "Republican", not "public".

You still haven't demonstrated that this is a bad thing or that it is evidence she's lied about anything.
You've literally just run screaming "PUBLIC/PRIVATE" and provided some quotes where she uses those words as if she just admitted to being secretly reptilian.

I've tried explaining why this is bad, word for word, but I'm just dismissed as not properly interpreting what she was saying. Don't bother arguing semantics.

Also, I didn't have to download shit, maybe it's different on mobile but I highly doubt that.

I'm not on mobile.
The link you gave me:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11011
The content of that link:

Goldman Sachs paid speeches


From:tcarrk@hillaryclinton.com
To: jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com, john.podesta@gmail.com, slatham@hillaryclinton.com, kschake@hillaryclinton.com, bfallon@hillaryclinton.com, gruncom@aol.com more
Date: 2016-01-23 22:08
Subject: Goldman Sachs paid speeches






The 3 (I misspoke about 5 earlier) speeches to Goldman are attached with
some parts highlighted. Below are some of the more noteworthy quotes.

Here is the Politico story Mandy was referencing earlier
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ats-101047

*Clinton Said, With Dodd-Frank, There Was “A Need To Do Something Because
For Political Reasons” Because Members Of Congress “Can't Sit Idly By And
Do Nothing.” *“And with political people, again, I would say the same
thing, you know, there was a lot of complaining about Dodd-Frank, but there
was also a need to do something because for political reasons, if you were
an elected member of Congress and people in your constituency were losing
jobs and shutting businesses and everybody in the press is saying it's all
the fault of Wall Street, you can't sit idly by and do nothing, but what
you do is really important.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

*Tim O’Neill Told Clinton “We Really Did Appreciate It” When She Had Been
“Courageous In Some Respects To Associated With Wall Street And This
Environment.” *“MR. O'NEILL: By the way, we really did appreciate when you
were the senator from New York and your continued involvement in the issues
(inaudible) to be courageous in some respects to associated with Wall
Street and this environment. Thank you very much. SECRETARY CLINTON:
Well, I don't feel particularly courageous. I mean, if we're going to be
an effective, efficient economy, we need to have all part of that engine
running well, and that includes Wall Street and Main Street. And there's a
big disconnect and a lot of confusion right now. So I'm not interested in,
you know, turning the clock back or pointing fingers, but I am interested
in trying to figure out how we come together to chart a better way forward
and one that will restore confidence in, you know, small and medium-size
businesses and consumers and begin to chip away at the unemployment rate.
So it's something that I, you know, if you're a realist, you know that
people have different roles to play in politics, economics, and this is an
important role, but I do think that there has to be an understanding of how
what happens here on Wall Street has such broad consequences not just for
the domestic but the global economy, so more thought has to be given to the
process and transactions and regulations so that we don't kill or maim what
works, but we concentrate on the most effective way of moving forward with
the brainpower and the financial power that exists here.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

*Speaking About Financial Regulations, Clinton Said “The People That Know
The Industry Better Than Anybody Are The People Who Work In The
Industry.” *“There's
nothing magic about regulations, too much is bad, too little is bad. How
do you get to the golden key, how do we figure out what works? And the
people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work
in the industry.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

*Clinton Said “I Represented All Of You For Eight Years. I Had Great
Relations And Worked So Close Together After 9/11 To Rebuild Downtown.” *“I
represented all of you for eight years. I had great relations and worked
so close together after 9/11 to rebuild downtown, and a lot of respect for
the work you do and the people who do it, but I do -- I think that when we
talk about the regulators and the politicians, the economic consequences of
bad decisions back in '08, you know, were devastating, and they had
repercussions throughout the world.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

*Clinton Said “Banks Are Not Doing What They Need To Do Because They're
Scared Of Regulations, They're Scared Of The Other Shoe Dropping.” *“I
mean, right now, there are so many places in our country where the banks
are not doing what they need to do because they're scared of regulations,
they're scared of the other shoe dropping, they're just plain scared, so
credit is not flowing the way it needs to to restart economic growth. So
people are, you know, a little -- they're still uncertain, and they're
uncertain both because they don't know what might come next in terms of
regulations, but they're also uncertain because of changes in a global
economy that we're only beginning to take hold of.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

Note the marked absence of this "public/private" quote.

[Gauthier]

Don't forget memetically sneering about some Democratic voters believing that Russia hacked into voting machines as if that was the actual argument and thus can be contemptuously dismissed with the emptying of bladders.

That was the argument during the recount lead by Jill Stein, supposedly the electronic votes were suspicious and thus required investigation for tampering.

Jill Stein is a Democrat now? And she paid for the recount without needing government funding so why the outrage?

[Opfornia]

I've tried explaining why this is bad, word for word, but I'm just dismissed as not properly interpreting what she was saying. Don't bother arguing semantics.

Also, I didn't have to download shit, maybe it's different on mobile but I highly doubt that.

I'm not on mobile.
The link you gave me:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11011
The content of that link:

Goldman Sachs paid speeches


From:tcarrk@hillaryclinton.com
To: jpalmieri@hillaryclinton.com, john.podesta@gmail.com, slatham@hillaryclinton.com, kschake@hillaryclinton.com, bfallon@hillaryclinton.com, gruncom@aol.com more
Date: 2016-01-23 22:08
Subject: Goldman Sachs paid speeches






The 3 (I misspoke about 5 earlier) speeches to Goldman are attached with
some parts highlighted. Below are some of the more noteworthy quotes.

Here is the Politico story Mandy was referencing earlier
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ats-101047

*Clinton Said, With Dodd-Frank, There Was “A Need To Do Something Because
For Political Reasons” Because Members Of Congress “Can't Sit Idly By And
Do Nothing.” *“And with political people, again, I would say the same
thing, you know, there was a lot of complaining about Dodd-Frank, but there
was also a need to do something because for political reasons, if you were
an elected member of Congress and people in your constituency were losing
jobs and shutting businesses and everybody in the press is saying it's all
the fault of Wall Street, you can't sit idly by and do nothing, but what
you do is really important.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

*Tim O’Neill Told Clinton “We Really Did Appreciate It” When She Had Been
“Courageous In Some Respects To Associated With Wall Street And This
Environment.” *“MR. O'NEILL: By the way, we really did appreciate when you
were the senator from New York and your continued involvement in the issues
(inaudible) to be courageous in some respects to associated with Wall
Street and this environment. Thank you very much. SECRETARY CLINTON:
Well, I don't feel particularly courageous. I mean, if we're going to be
an effective, efficient economy, we need to have all part of that engine
running well, and that includes Wall Street and Main Street. And there's a
big disconnect and a lot of confusion right now. So I'm not interested in,
you know, turning the clock back or pointing fingers, but I am interested
in trying to figure out how we come together to chart a better way forward
and one that will restore confidence in, you know, small and medium-size
businesses and consumers and begin to chip away at the unemployment rate.
So it's something that I, you know, if you're a realist, you know that
people have different roles to play in politics, economics, and this is an
important role, but I do think that there has to be an understanding of how
what happens here on Wall Street has such broad consequences not just for
the domestic but the global economy, so more thought has to be given to the
process and transactions and regulations so that we don't kill or maim what
works, but we concentrate on the most effective way of moving forward with
the brainpower and the financial power that exists here.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

*Speaking About Financial Regulations, Clinton Said “The People That Know
The Industry Better Than Anybody Are The People Who Work In The
Industry.” *“There's
nothing magic about regulations, too much is bad, too little is bad. How
do you get to the golden key, how do we figure out what works? And the
people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work
in the industry.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

*Clinton Said “I Represented All Of You For Eight Years. I Had Great
Relations And Worked So Close Together After 9/11 To Rebuild Downtown.” *“I
represented all of you for eight years. I had great relations and worked
so close together after 9/11 to rebuild downtown, and a lot of respect for
the work you do and the people who do it, but I do -- I think that when we
talk about the regulators and the politicians, the economic consequences of
bad decisions back in '08, you know, were devastating, and they had
repercussions throughout the world.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

*Clinton Said “Banks Are Not Doing What They Need To Do Because They're
Scared Of Regulations, They're Scared Of The Other Shoe Dropping.” *“I
mean, right now, there are so many places in our country where the banks
are not doing what they need to do because they're scared of regulations,
they're scared of the other shoe dropping, they're just plain scared, so
credit is not flowing the way it needs to to restart economic growth. So
people are, you know, a little -- they're still uncertain, and they're
uncertain both because they don't know what might come next in terms of
regulations, but they're also uncertain because of changes in a global
economy that we're only beginning to take hold of.” [GS2, 10/24/13]

Note the marked absence of this "public/private" quote.

Truly anomalous.

Either way, you have the words. Like I said, others such as myself have read this and gotten a very bad feeling in their stomach. Perhaps this isn't the proof you need to be convinced, it never is on NSG, there will never be enough.

And I was the one on mobile by the way, that's why I said that, sorry for the confusion.

[Opfornia]

That was the argument during the recount lead by Jill Stein, supposedly the electronic votes were suspicious and thus required investigation for tampering.

Jill Stein is a Democrat now? And she paid for the recount without needing government funding so why the outrage?

I was simply telling you why the argument had been fixated on some Dems incorrectly believing the machines had been hacked. Nothing more, nothing less.

Also, Jill didn't have to be a Dem to benefit them, do you think it was Greens that paid those millions of dollars in a week? I don't think so.

[Vassenor]

First off, CrowdStrike is a respected firm in the security industry, not a political lobby.

Second, the investigation is broader than just "a server". The FBI warned the DNC that it was being targeted by state-based attackers back in September 2015. The DNC installed FBI monitoring software in their network in April 2016. To claim that the entire investigation was "outsourced" to CrowdStrike is pretty ridiculous.

Appealing to authority doesn't change the fact their CTO is a leading member of a highly ideologically biased organisation and would have reason to insist Russia was behind the hacking.

Are you going to keep going with the genetic fallacy?

[Gauthier]

Don't forget memetically sneering about some Democratic voters believing that Russia hacked into voting machines as if that was the actual argument and thus can be contemptuously dismissed with the emptying of bladders.

This is Gauthier's typical tactics. He just runs around creating social proof by agreeing with other NSers using strawmen.

Feel free to report it instead of doing a wonderful ad hominem if you think it's a problem.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm not on mobile.
The link you gave me:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11011
The content of that link:

Note the marked absence of this "public/private" quote.

Truly anomalous.

Either way, you have the words. Like I said, others such as myself have read this and gotten a very bad feeling in their stomach. Perhaps this isn't the proof you need to be convinced, it never is on NSG, there will never be enough.

And I was the one on mobile by the way, that's why I said that, sorry for the confusion.

The problem here is, you've listened to a very "career politician" turn of phrase and run away cackling into the night that you've found irrefutable proof that Hillary lies about all the things forever and is the illuminati's stooge.

I can't see, say, Trump having been harmed had he said the same thing.

[Opfornia]

Appealing to authority doesn't change the fact their CTO is a leading member of a highly ideologically biased organisation and would have reason to insist Russia was behind the hacking.

Are you going to keep going with the genetic fallacy?

I hope he does, as long as you keep up the fallacy fallacy.

[IceBuddha]

First off, CrowdStrike is a respected firm in the security industry, not a political lobby.

Second, the investigation is broader than just "a server". The FBI warned the DNC that it was being targeted by state-based attackers back in September 2015. The DNC installed FBI monitoring software in their network in April 2016. To claim that the entire investigation was "outsourced" to CrowdStrike is pretty ridiculous.

Appealing to authority doesn't change the fact their CTO is a leading member of a highly ideologically biased organisation and would have reason to insist Russia was behind the hacking.

The fact that their CTO engages in political activities (on his own time, by the way) doesn't make the entire organization or its assessments inaccurate or biased.

I also wouldn't characterize the Atlantic Council as hyper-partisan or extreme, but that's beside the point.

[Farnhamia]

Appealing to authority doesn't change the fact their CTO is a leading member of a highly ideologically biased organisation and would have reason to insist Russia was behind the hacking.

The fact that their CTO engages in political activities (on his own time, by the way) doesn't make the entire organization or its assessments inaccurate or biased.

I also wouldn't characterize the Atlantic Council as hyper-partisan or extreme, but that's besides the point.

I don't know, I mean, that Huntsman guy who's the Chairman ...

[Imperializt Russia]

First off, CrowdStrike is a respected firm in the security industry, not a political lobby.

Second, the investigation is broader than just "a server". The FBI warned the DNC that it was being targeted by state-based attackers back in September 2015. The DNC installed FBI monitoring software in their network in April 2016. To claim that the entire investigation was "outsourced" to CrowdStrike is pretty ridiculous.

Appealing to authority doesn't change the fact their CTO is a leading member of a highly ideologically biased organisation and would have reason to insist Russia was behind the hacking.

What highly ideologically biased organisation?

Russia is big on hacking. That's just their thing. They love them their electronic warfare, because the west is big on electronic systems. There was a story, also ran by CrowdStrike, that Russia had managed to fight a cyber-war against Ukraine's artillery.
Basically, a Ukrainian officer had developed a smartphone app that took a lot of work out of gunlaying and planning fire missions for the Soviet-era D30 122mm howitzer. Ukrainian D30 units, using this app, could get their effective preparation time for firing down from minutes to seconds.

Russia, supposedly, infected the app with malware, and re-released it. Ukraine has now lost 80% of their D30 inventory to counter-battery fire, likely due to geo-tagging functions of infected phones of unsuspecting Ukrainian gunnery officers. This is not seen amongst other types of artillery piece, which did not have similar gunlaying apps developed for them.

[Opfornia]

Truly anomalous.

Either way, you have the words. Like I said, others such as myself have read this and gotten a very bad feeling in their stomach. Perhaps this isn't the proof you need to be convinced, it never is on NSG, there will never be enough.

And I was the one on mobile by the way, that's why I said that, sorry for the confusion.

The problem here is, you've listened to a very "career politician" turn of phrase and run away cackling into the night that you've found irrefutable proof that Hillary lies about all the things forever and is the illuminati's stooge.

I can't see, say, Trump having been harmed had he said the same thing.

You don't have to portray me as a cartoon villain. If others refuse to acknowledge the reasoning I present as valid, why bother repeating myself ad nauseam? Much simpler to say, "She lied in her own words" they know my reasoning and don't like it either way.

That text is just a drop in the bucket, into the infamous well that is Clinton, as even some of my many detractors have pointed out. If it were just his one email, whatever, but it's a part of a much bigger picture.

[Imperializt Russia]

Are you going to keep going with the genetic fallacy?

people whose entire argument si "THE LEAKS ARE BAD BECAUSE ITS POOOOTIN" complaining about use of genetic fallacy is pretty rich.

I'm saying he has very clear motives to be biased and given reasons for them. Your misusing the term fallacy for signalling-points.

Virtue signalling, oh wow.

[Crockerland]

Don't forget memetically sneering about some Democratic voters believing that Russia hacked into voting machines as if that was the actual argument and thus can be contemptuously dismissed with the emptying of bladders.

This is Gauthier's typical tactics. He just runs around creating social proof by agreeing with other NSers using strawmen.

I wouldn't talk about Gauthier's tactics if I were you, last time I did so the mods falsely banned me for """""""""harassment""""""""", claiming that I had come to the thread solely to harass Gauthier, despite the fact that I had been actively participating in the thread before ever addressing Gauthier.

[Galloism]

Appealing to authority doesn't change the fact their CTO is a leading member of a highly ideologically biased organisation and would have reason to insist Russia was behind the hacking.

What highly ideologically biased organisation?

Russia is big on hacking. That's just their thing. They love them their electronic warfare, because the west is big on electronic systems. There was a story, also ran by CrowdStrike, that Russia had managed to fight a cyber-war against Ukraine's artillery.
Basically, a Ukrainian officer had developed a smartphone app that took a lot of work out of gunlaying and planning fire missions for the Soviet-era D30 122mm howitzer. Ukrainian D30 units, using this app, could get their effective preparation time for firing down from minutes to seconds.

Russia, supposedly, infected the app with malware, and re-released it. Ukraine has now lost 80% of their D30 inventory to counter-battery fire, likely due to geo-tagging functions of infected phones of unsuspecting Ukrainian gunnery officers. This is not seen amongst other types of artillery piece, which did not have similar gunlaying apps developed for them.

I gotta admit - that's pretty slick.