Elections, Hacking, Russia, And Trump: This Is Serious

[The Rich Port]

I voted Bernie Sanders.

Oh man, you must be such a rebel.

No, I'm just not a hypocrite.

Or someone who thinks he is edgy un-ironically.

[Opfornia]

No, I'm just not a hypocrite.

Or someone who thinks he is edgy un-ironically.

So then you're edgy ironically?

[Grave_n_idle]

It's a good thing Hillary supporters are perfectly fine with being lied to, it probably happens a lot to them.

Why do you assume that people who are questioning your debate tactics and calling you on your fallacies are Clinton supporters?

Your terrible arguments are not influenced by who I did or didn't vote for.

[Opfornia]

It's a good thing Hillary supporters are perfectly fine with being lied to, it probably happens a lot to them.

Why do you assume that people who are questioning your debate tactics and calling you on your fallacies are Clinton supporters?

Your terrible arguments are not influenced by who I did or didn't vote for.

I just said Hillary supporters, maybe you're reading into things too much, or you should just stop being so sensitive.

[Valrifell]

No, I'm just not a hypocrite.

Or someone who thinks he is edgy un-ironically.

So then you're edgy ironically?

There shouldn't be another way to be edgy, really.

[The Rich Port]

No, I'm just not a hypocrite.

Or someone who thinks he is edgy un-ironically.

So then you're edgy ironically?

There is no other form of edgy.

[Ochekivstan]

This whole hacking thing is entirely misleading. The Russians never hacked any actual votes. No one is accusing them of doing this, at least no one in government.

What they are actually being accused of doing is leaking information from the DNC to WikiLeaks. Which is not really "hacking" the election, more leaking dirty secrets that we should have been aware of anyway.

So I guess that kinda makes this thread pointless, in a way.

Bernie would have won

[Opfornia]

Damn, I just can't win, you liberals really know your memes, thanks for letting me know the only way to be edgy.

[The Rich Port]

Damn, I just can't win, you liberals really know your memes, thanks for letting me know the only way to be edgy.

The English language is an Internet meme, now?

[Opfornia]

Damn, I just can't win, you liberals really know your memes, thanks for letting me know the only way to be edgy.

The English language is an Internet meme, now?

Yes.

[Valrifell]

Damn, I just can't win, you liberals really know your memes, thanks for letting me know the only way to be edgy.

The English language is an Internet meme, now?

It's a meme, just not an internet one.

[Grave_n_idle]

Why do you assume that people who are questioning your debate tactics and calling you on your fallacies are Clinton supporters?

Your terrible arguments are not influenced by who I did or didn't vote for.

I just said Hillary supporters, maybe you're reading into things too much, or you should just stop being so sensitive.

In what way was I being sensitive?

I pointed out that your appeal to popularity is logically fallacious, and explained why with an illustration.

I have never claimed to be a Clinton supporter, and I didn't vote for her, so I'm not sure how I'm being 'sensitive' at all.

I think you're just trying to blame other people for your awful arguments being awful.

[The Rich Port]

The English language is an Internet meme, now?

Yes.

Internet failure.

Which is weird, because fascists are usually really good on the Internet.

Going onto Stormfront all day, trolling teh ebul Joos, being bad at video games together...

[Valrifell]

This whole hacking thing is entirely misleading. The Russians never hacked any actual votes. No one is accusing them of doing this, at least no one in government.

What they are actually being accused of doing is leaking information from the DNC to WikiLeaks. Which is not really "hacking" the election, more leaking dirty secrets that we should have been aware of anyway.

So I guess that kinda makes this thread pointless, in a way.

Bernie would have won

Dirty secrets that weren't so dirty that probably should've sill been out there, maybe. The amount of senseless media hype given to the released emails certainly did not help her campaign in the slightest.

Also, as a Sanders supporter, given this election, Bernie "White People Don't Know What It's Like To Be Poor" Sanders would've probably lost too. Either because of that comment or because of the fact he would have utterly failed to get minority voters close to the scale that Clinton did.

[The Rich Port]

This whole hacking thing is entirely misleading. The Russians never hacked any actual votes. No one is accusing them of doing this, at least no one in government.

What they are actually being accused of doing is leaking information from the DNC to WikiLeaks. Which is not really "hacking" the election, more leaking dirty secrets that we should have been aware of anyway.

So I guess that kinda makes this thread pointless, in a way.

Bernie would have won

Dirty secrets that weren't so dirty that probably should've sill been out there, maybe. The amount of senseless media hype given to the released emails certainly did not help her campaign in the slightest.

Also, as a Sanders supporter, given this election, Bernie "White People Don't Know What It's Like To Be Poor" Sanders would've probably lost too. Either because of that comment or because of the fact he would have utterly failed to get minority voters close to the scale that Clinton did.

I'm already missing Obama...

[Opfornia]

I just said Hillary supporters, maybe you're reading into things too much, or you should just stop being so sensitive.

In what way was I being sensitive?

I pointed out that your appeal to popularity is logically fallacious, and explained why with an illustration.

I have never claimed to be a Clinton supporter, and I didn't vote for her, so I'm not sure how I'm being 'sensitive' at all.

I think you're just trying to blame other people for your awful arguments being awful.

If you're not a Hillary supporter, then I wasn't referring to you. Your defensiveness is why you're sensitive.

[Opfornia]

Yes.

Internet failure.

Which is weird, because fascists are usually really good on the Internet.

Going onto Stormfront all day, trolling teh ebul Joos, being bad at video games together...

Despite my "Fascism" tag, I'm actually just a nationalist, it's merely there for A E S T H E T I C, just check out my actual political stance in the spoiler below.

[Imperializt Russia]

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Yeah, I am just going to restate what I had previously, because I already explained why it would be too difficult to prove when a politician isn't actively reaching toward their campaign promise. She herself, in paid speeches to wealthy dinners, already revealed that she uses a private/public policies, that's literally the proof I need to show.

Now you, in your incredibly insulated liberal mind set, may not see it as lying when the politicians you like are doing it, but telling the general populace one thing while privately going for another, is a clear cut example of lying. Keep saying no though, it will make you right.

One example of a "private public" policy change is that you, yourself, don't believe in abortion. You think, for whatever reason, that it is not inherently right and would not seek one yourself. The public face of this, is you still supporting abortion clinics and planned parenthood.

Because you accept that the world exists beyond your own mind and there are people who aren't you.
Normal people would consider this a very liberal, very open set of values. The willingness to accept outside views.

But nope, apparently it's lies and deceit and wrong and we must have STRONG OPINIONS and anyone who gets run down through these committed the irresponsible act of not having same STRONG OPINIONS

[Grave_n_idle]

In what way was I being sensitive?

I pointed out that your appeal to popularity is logically fallacious, and explained why with an illustration.

I have never claimed to be a Clinton supporter, and I didn't vote for her, so I'm not sure how I'm being 'sensitive' at all.

I think you're just trying to blame other people for your awful arguments being awful.

If you're not a Hillary supporter, then I wasn't referring to you. Your defensiveness is why you're sensitive.

Wow. You're really bad at this.

I wasn't being defensive - I was questioning why you assume that people rubbishing your awful arguments was because of THEIR political affiliations.

Since, clearly - the uselessness of your arguments is a bipartisan consensus.

[Opfornia]

If you're not a Hillary supporter, then I wasn't referring to you. Your defensiveness is why you're sensitive.

Wow. You're really bad at this.

I wasn't being defensive - I was questioning why you assume that people rubbishing your awful arguments was because of THEIR political affiliations.

Since, clearly - the uselessness of your arguments is a bipartisan consensus.

Where are you coming from with all this? I said Hillar supporters like being lied to, and that it's a good thing. Wasn't even responding to anyone.

[Ochekivstan]

This whole hacking thing is entirely misleading. The Russians never hacked any actual votes. No one is accusing them of doing this, at least no one in government.

What they are actually being accused of doing is leaking information from the DNC to WikiLeaks. Which is not really "hacking" the election, more leaking dirty secrets that we should have been aware of anyway.

So I guess that kinda makes this thread pointless, in a way.

Bernie would have won

Dirty secrets that weren't so dirty that probably should've sill been out there, maybe. The amount of senseless media hype given to the released emails certainly did not help her campaign in the slightest.

Also, as a Sanders supporter, given this election, Bernie "White People Don't Know What It's Like To Be Poor" Sanders would've probably lost too. Either because of that comment or because of the fact he would have utterly failed to get minority voters close to the scale that Clinton did.

Not really. Bernie kept saying that we need to do more for the working class a bunch, that we need to get jobs back and do healthcare and education programs to help the poor and such. He said that other thing once. What are people going to pay attention to, something he said once in an appeal to the black community, or something he repeats every single time he opens his mouth.

Also, the reason people were outraged and annoyed at the DNC with the leaks is because what they did was really scummy and very fraudulent, bordering on illegal. If they didn't want this to blow up in their face, they should have not done it. Rather than cheat their way around popularity issues, they could have just, you know, listened to their voter base and appealed to what voters want. You know, like every other political party in the history of the world has always done. Its politics 101 really. They wouldn't have needed to cheat if they didn't snub their base the way they did, and then none of this scandal would have happened because there would have been nothing to leak.

Its the same logic with what WikiLeaks did with US government documents about the shameful stuff the US does with out tax money. The government line is that the leaks are such a terrible thing that put the US at risk. Well, if knowledge of the things you do puts the US at risk, maybe you shouldn't have done it in the first place. If something is so shameful and damning that it would cause huge public outcry if it every surfaced, then you should seriously consider whether or not its really worth doing.

So basically what I'm saying is that while Russia should probably not have gone through DNC secrets (which again, we have no substantial proof that they did. Its why we say they *allegedly* did this), we really can't pin all the blame for the damage it caused to the Clinton campaign all on them. Some of the blame rightly belongs to the campaign and the DNC for doing these hacky tactics in the first place that they then had to keep under wraps.

[Opfornia]

Yeah, I am just going to restate what I had previously, because I already explained why it would be too difficult to prove when a politician isn't actively reaching toward their campaign promise. She herself, in paid speeches to wealthy dinners, already revealed that she uses a private/public policies, that's literally the proof I need to show.

Now you, in your incredibly insulated liberal mind set, may not see it as lying when the politicians you like are doing it, but telling the general populace one thing while privately going for another, is a clear cut example of lying. Keep saying no though, it will make you right.

One example of a "private public" policy change is that you, yourself, don't believe in abortion. You think, for whatever reason, that it is not inherently right and would not seek one yourself. The public face of this, is you still supporting abortion clinics and planned parenthood.

Because you accept that the world exists beyond your own mind and there are people who aren't you.
Normal people would consider this a very liberal, very open set of values. The willingness to accept outside views.

But nope, apparently it's lies and deceit and wrong and we must have STRONG OPINIONS and anyone who gets run down through these committed the irresponsible act of not having same STRONG OPINIONS

Actually no, I've already told someone else that the example you just gave isn't the same thing. A personal opinion isn't the same as a private position, either you lack the ability to distinguish between the two or you're just being intellectually dishonest.

[Imperializt Russia]

One example of a "private public" policy change is that you, yourself, don't believe in abortion. You think, for whatever reason, that it is not inherently right and would not seek one yourself. The public face of this, is you still supporting abortion clinics and planned parenthood.

Because you accept that the world exists beyond your own mind and there are people who aren't you.
Normal people would consider this a very liberal, very open set of values. The willingness to accept outside views.

But nope, apparently it's lies and deceit and wrong and we must have STRONG OPINIONS and anyone who gets run down through these committed the irresponsible act of not having same STRONG OPINIONS

Actually no, I've already told someone else that the example you just gave isn't the same thing. A personal opinion isn't the same as a private position, either you lack the ability to distinguish between the two or you're just being intellectually dishonest.

Do you believe the planned parenthood baby-mincing story?

[Vassenor]

Its not serious, its a ludicrous joke consisting of literally nothing but assertions and misomers gobbled down like candy by the speaking-in-tongues-crowd. This was the exact moment all respect, fear and hatred I had for the media and left-liberalism evaporated and was replaced by bemused pity. They internet creationist-tier now.

Perhaps you can put some more meat on those bones.

[Opfornia]

Actually no, I've already told someone else that the example you just gave isn't the same thing. A personal opinion isn't the same as a private position, either you lack the ability to distinguish between the two or you're just being intellectually dishonest.

Do you believe the planned parenthood baby-mincing story?

No, and I don't care about abortions either.