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Do You Approve Of The Manner In Which Trump And His Team Are Handling The Transition?

Yes, absolutely
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Generally yes, but with some reservations that I'll post in the thread.
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Not sure/Neutral
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13%
Generally no, but with some hopeful signs that I'll post in the thread
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Not at all
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Total votes : 770

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:21 pm

Dushan wrote:Meanwhile in Trumpland:

Trump to inherit state-run TV network with expanded reach

...Buried on page 1,404 of the National Defense Authorization Act that passed last week is a provision that would disband the bipartisan board of the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the independent U.S. agency that includes Voice of America, Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia and the Middle East Broadcast Networks.

The move — pushed by House Foreign Affairs Chairman Ed Royce as a way to streamline the agency — concentrates control into a powerful CEO who is appointed by the president...

Essentially, Trump is finally getting his Trump TV — financed by taxpayers to the tune of $800 million per year...


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Postby Arlenton » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:22 pm

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What a far thinking and wise idea the Democrats had. They had a chance to destroy that power but foolishly kept it and expanded it. Now we shall all suffer for their arrogance.

I for one will probably enjoy it.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:33 pm

Vassenor wrote:Has anyone actually explained how Mattis is the greatest person in history, or is it just another one of those "listen and believe" things?

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:40 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:House Intelligence Chair refuses to open larger investigation regarding hacking claims.

Coincidentally, he's also a member of the transition team.

The nepotism is staggering. Almost as staggering as the cult of personality around Trump.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:45 pm

The East Marches wrote:


What a far thinking and wise idea the Democrats had. They had a chance to destroy that power but foolishly kept it and expanded it. Now we shall all suffer for their arrogance.

"National Security" are the golden words.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:45 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:House Intelligence Chair refuses to open larger investigation regarding hacking claims.

Coincidentally, he's also a member of the transition team.

Don't the CIA, FBI, NSA, The President, etc... have the power to overrule that?
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Postby Galloism » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:46 pm

New haven america wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:House Intelligence Chair refuses to open larger investigation regarding hacking claims.

Coincidentally, he's also a member of the transition team.

Don't the CIA, FBI, NSA, The President, etc... have the power to overrule that?

Well, they refused to open a congressional investigation. That doesn't mean that alphabet agencies can't investigate.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:46 pm

New haven america wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:House Intelligence Chair refuses to open larger investigation regarding hacking claims.

Coincidentally, he's also a member of the transition team.

Don't the CIA, FBI, NSA, The President, etc... have the power to overrule that?

Congress controls the purse strings.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby WaRtArIa » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:46 pm

I see that Mike the Knight is causing a bit of a stir in my household. And when I mean Mike the Knight, I mean Mike Pence.

There's been plenty of debate here.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:47 pm

Wartaria wrote:I see that Mike the Knight is causing a bit of a stir in my household. And when I mean Mike the Knight, I mean Mike Pence.

There's been plenty of debate here.

So how many family members are vulnerable to electrocution?
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:48 pm

Wartaria wrote:I see that Mike the Knight is causing a bit of a stir in my household. And when I mean Mike the Knight, I mean Mike Pence.

There's been plenty of debate here.

Political nicknaming is against forum rules.

Even if it's those hilarious Mike Pence nicknames 4chan came up with.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:55 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:


Why

Even before this, I had concerns about Breitbart and the New York Observer becoming de facto state news organisations, since one is run by a Trump family member and the other by a White House official.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:57 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Why

Even before this, I had concerns about Breitbart and the New York Observer becoming de facto state news organisations, since one is run by a Trump family member and the other by a White House official.

Breitbart: "We Have Always Been At War With Eastasia China"
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:01 pm

Arlenton wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
What a far thinking and wise idea the Democrats had. They had a chance to destroy that power but foolishly kept it and expanded it. Now we shall all suffer for their arrogance.

I for one will probably enjoy it.

I hope you also enjoy going to war, considering if Trump gets ousted because of Russia's actions, Russia and the US could very likely go to war.

Oh who am I kidding? With the way you act, you'd probably side with Russia...
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:02 pm

New haven america wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I for one will probably enjoy it.

I hope you also enjoy going to war, considering if Trump gets ousted because of Russia's actions, Russia and the US could very likely go to war.

Oh who am I kidding? With the way you act, you'd probably side with Russia...

If someone told Joe McCarthy and the HUAC that in the future the American public would openly root for Russia they'd have laaaaughed.
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If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Neuwland » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:10 pm

Donald Trump like I said is an FSB installed puppet I've been saying this since around late 2015 and I was called insane and the CIA is coming out with reports that in fact the portal to Hell known as the Kremlin gave him the election I say arrest this bastard. Texas is an occupied country because of jackasses like Trump and he only proves why Pan-Texan Southwestern self-determination is the future of North America.

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:11 pm

Neuwland wrote:Donald Trump like I said is an FSB installed puppet I've been saying this since around late 2015 and I was called insane and the CIA is coming out with reports that in fact the portal to Hell known as the Kremlin gave him the election I say arrest this bastard. Texas is an occupied country because of jackasses like Trump and he only proves why Pan-Texan Southwestern self-determination is the future of North America.

That's...not what the CIA said. :eyebrow:
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:12 pm

Stolen straight from Reddit. Because, at this point, what difference does it make?

Everything we know to date:
Trump has become 'an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation'
Ex-director of the CIA publicly states that Putin has be successful in manipulating Trump - "In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr. Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opini ... .html?_r=0

Trump campaign worked to undermine support for Ukraine
Throughout the campaign, Trump has been dismissive of calls for supporting the Ukraine government as it fights an ongoing Russian-led intervention. Trump’s campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, worked as a lobbyist for the Russian-backed former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych for more than a decade.
Still, Republican delegates at last week’s national security committee platform meeting in Cleveland were surprised when the Trump campaign orchestrated a set of events to make sure that the GOP would not pledge to give Ukraine the weapons it has been asking for from the United States.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... 4e44e2df23

Trump states he doesn't believe Putin will invade the Ukraine - after Russia has already annexed Crimea
“He’s not going into Ukraine,” Trump said. “He’s not going to go into Ukraine. You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want.” “He’s already there isn’t he?” Stephanopoulos said. “Well, he’s there in a certain way,” Trump said.
http://www.mediaite.com/uncategorized/p ... ally-said/

Trump has been unclear on his relationship with Putin
In an interview with ABC News in August 2016, Trump said he had "no relationship with Putin." In an interview with MSNBC in 2013, Trump said "I do have a relationship, and he's very interested in what we're doing." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFgYzf4DV4

Unexplained server connection between Russian bank and Trump Organisation
“I have an outlier here that connects to Russia in a strange way,” he wrote in his notes. He couldn’t quite figure it out at first. But what he saw was a bank in Moscow that kept irregularly pinging a server registered to the Trump Organization on Fifth Avenue. “I’ve never seen a server set up like that,” says Christopher Davis, who runs the cybersecurity firm HYAS InfoSec Inc. and won a FBI Director Award for Excellence for his work tracking down the authors of one of the world’s nastiest botnet attacks. “It looked weird, and it didn’t pass the sniff test.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ussia.html

Russian diplomats and officials were in touch with Trump's team throughout the campaign
Russian government officials conferred with members of Donald Trump’s campaign team, a senior Russian diplomat said Thursday, a disclosure that could reopen scrutiny of the Kremlin’s role in the president-elect’s bitter race against Hillary Clinton. The statement came from Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov, who said in an interview with the state-run Interfax news agency that “there were contacts” with the Trump team. “Obviously, we know most of the people from his entourage,” Ryabkov said.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mo ... 300ac87f7f

Ex-Trump campaign chairman allegedly received undisclosed cash payments from pro-Russian Ukranian party
Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/po ... trump.html

Trump advocates Russian hacking
Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that he hoped Russian intelligence services had successfully hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, and encouraged them to publish whatever they may have stolen, essentially urging a foreign adversary to conduct cyberespionage against a former secretary of state.
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/po ... mails.html

Russia was involved in passing along hacked information about the Clinton campaign to Wikileaks
Officials briefed on the matter were told that intelligence agencies had found that individuals linked to the Russian government had provided WikiLeaks with thousands of confidential emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and others.
"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there."
In early May, the DNC called in CrowdStrike, a security firm that specializes in countering advanced network threats. After deploying their tools on the DNC’s machines, and after about two hours of work, CrowdStrike found “two sophisticated adversaries” on the Committee’s network.
CrowdStrike linked both groups to “the Russian government’s powerful and highly capable intelligence services.” APT 29, suspected to be the FSB, had been on the DNC’s network since at least summer 2015. APT 28, identified as Russia’s military intelligence agency GRU, had breached the Democrats only in April 2016, and probably tipped off the investigation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ion-report http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /92514592/ http://motherboard.vice.com/read/all-si ... e-dnc-hack

Russia was involved in the hacking of the Republican party but chose not release hacked information
The Russians hacked the Republican National Committee’s computer systems in addition to their attacks on Democratic organizations, but did not release whatever information they gleaned from the Republican networks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/ob ... -hack.html


Also, you don't end up with Rex Tillerson, Carter Page, Paul Manafort, and Tevfik Arif all floating around you at the same time without doing some business with Russia's elite.


This is not a conspiracy theory. This is not wishful thinking from disgruntled Clinton supporters. This is a long series of suspicious events that, as a whole, paint a very disturbing picture of the man who is now president-elect of the United States.
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Postby Arlenton » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:12 pm

New haven america wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I for one will probably enjoy it.

I hope you also enjoy going to war, considering if Trump gets ousted because of Russia's actions, Russia and the US could very likely go to war.

Oh who am I kidding? With the way you act, you'd probably side with Russia...

I don't know what you mean.

As a right-wing neoconservative Republican I am all for a strong stance against Russia. My belief is that the US should maintain a strong stance against any nation that interferes with our interests.

Putin I don't care for much at all since he's basically just a bully President of a country that we have less than spectacular relations with. Unless we have a common enemy, I do not support helping Russia at all in a geopolitical sense. The Russians are clearly at odds with us on a number of geopolitical issues. Iran is one of them. Now, considering me and my party have such a stance like this against Russia, how and why would we support Russia?

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Postby WaRtArIa » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:13 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Wartaria wrote:I see that Mike the Knight is causing a bit of a stir in my household. And when I mean Mike the Knight, I mean Mike Pence.

There's been plenty of debate here.

Political nicknaming is against forum rules.

Even if it's those hilarious Mike Pence nicknames 4chan came up with.

In my defense, I just quoted my five year old, who thought I was talking about "Mike the Knight" when I was talking about "Mike."

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:14 pm

Arlenton wrote:
New haven america wrote:I hope you also enjoy going to war, considering if Trump gets ousted because of Russia's actions, Russia and the US could very likely go to war.

Oh who am I kidding? With the way you act, you'd probably side with Russia...

I don't know what you mean.

As a right-wing neoconservative Republican I am all for a strong stance against Russia. My belief is that the US should maintain a strong stance against any nation that interferes with our interests.

Putin I don't care for much at all since he's basically just a bully President of a country that we have less than spectacular relations with. Unless we have a common enemy, I do not support helping Russia at all in a geopolitical sense. The Russians are clearly at odds with us on a number of geopolitical issues. Iran is one of them. Now, considering me and my party have such a stance like this against Russia, how and why would we support Russia?

lol :lol2:
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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Postby Neuwland » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:14 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Neuwland wrote:Donald Trump like I said is an FSB installed puppet I've been saying this since around late 2015 and I was called insane and the CIA is coming out with reports that in fact the portal to Hell known as the Kremlin gave him the election I say arrest this bastard. Texas is an occupied country because of jackasses like Trump and he only proves why Pan-Texan Southwestern self-determination is the future of North America.

That's...not what the CIA said. :eyebrow:

It's what happened the CIA knows it, the Pentagon knows it, Russia knows it God knows it. I say war with Russia is the second part that is essential to a prosperous future of world peace security with dividing and conquering it, pacifying every major city and subjugating the essential parts of Russia's country industry.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:16 pm

Arlenton wrote:
New haven america wrote:I hope you also enjoy going to war, considering if Trump gets ousted because of Russia's actions, Russia and the US could very likely go to war.

Oh who am I kidding? With the way you act, you'd probably side with Russia...

I don't know what you mean.

As a right-wing neoconservative Republican I am all for a strong stance against Russia. My belief is that the US should maintain a strong stance against any nation that interferes with our interests.

Putin I don't care for much at all since he's basically just a bully President of a country that we have less than spectacular relations with. Unless we have a common enemy, I do not support helping Russia at all in a geopolitical sense. The Russians are clearly at odds with us on a number of geopolitical issues. Iran is one of them. Now, considering me and my party have such a stance like this against Russia, how and why would we support Russia?

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:16 pm

Neuwland wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:That's...not what the CIA said. :eyebrow:

It's what happened the CIA knows it, the Pentagon knows it, Russia knows it God knows it.

Whether or not that happened is irrelevant to the fact that the CIA hasn't stated the Russians rigged the election for Trump.

I say war with Russia is the second part that is essential to a prosperous future of world peace security with dividing and conquering it, pacifying every major city and subjugating the essential parts of Russia's country industry.

And I'll say that you're crazy and that this opinion is ridiculous.
You'd better believe I'm a bitter Bernie Sanders supporter. The Dems fucked up and fucked up hard. Hopefully they'll learn that neoliberalism and maintaining the status quo isn't the way to win this election or any other one. I doubt they will, though.

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