Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of first-stage rocket recovery and spaceplane development.

Third parties doing that doesn't mean NASA can't do that ether.

Sure, but they haven't been doing anything like that. NASA hasn't exactly been leading the charge for a while now.

[Sanctissima]

You realize privatization doesn't just magically fix things, right?

If anything, partially privatizing NASA set things back, both economically and scientifically. Economically because of the considerable loss of jobs, and scientifically because of the decreased funding for space exploration.

Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of first-stage rocket recovery and spaceplane development.

The success of SpaceX has fuck all to do with privatizing NASA.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Third parties doing that doesn't mean NASA can't do that ether.

Sure, but they haven't been doing anything like that. NASA hasn't exactly been leading the charge for a while now.

They have been working Space suits on Mars.

Plus, water on mars.

[Vassenor]

Why does everyone assume that privatisation is some sort of magic bullet?

[Occupied Deutschland]

Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of first-stage rocket recovery and spaceplane development.

Third parties doing that doesn't mean NASA can't do that ether.

NASA not doing that, however, suggests such. The Ares program wasn't recoverable nor a spaceplane, so...

[The Rich Port]

Why does everyone assume that privatisation is some sort of magic bullet?

People that just don't understand how logistics work.

What really pisses me off is that NASA does most of the legwork when it comes to the serious stuff, like researching and reports and space forecasting, while the private companies reap their benefits without doing much of anything besides blasting tourists into space. I haven't seen any serious research projects from them or any serious expeditions in the works, just catering to the obscenely rich.

Richard Garriott at least did some serious work while he was on the International Space Station.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Third parties doing that doesn't mean NASA can't do that ether.

NASA not doing that, however, suggests such. The Ares program wasn't recoverable nor a spaceplane, so...

That's still working on a human achievement.

[The Black Forrest]

Here's some things I can say for certain:

The Left has done Trump a favor by setting the bar so low, that if he does nothing for 4 years

Hmmm? More like the Right has set it's expectations so low somebody like Trump can even get into office. Hillary and her staff made many mistakes but she would have done less damange simply because the Republicans would have fought her "tooth and nail" over everything.

Republicans were basically saying he was the anti-christ and now they are falling in line.

he'll look like a hero because they all made him seem like Hitler.

Hitler actually did things for his people. We had a generalite who told a story one his great-aunts couldn't afford a graduation dress. Word made it back to Hitler and he bought her one.

Back from that tangent: Can you name one selfless act he has ever done?

If he does anything with results you can see and chart, he will will re-election, and if he turns out alright, another republican will win in 8 years. Don't take this post to mean I don't have any concerns about Trump because of course I do, but this isn't about that. Just a few observations.

Oh he will be taking credit for everything. You see that already. I saved 1150 jobs at Carrier. Well subtract the 350 that were never leaving. Subtract the 500 they tossed from another plant and oh yea we are going to automate this facility so maybe 50-100 jobs will remain.

He took credit for sprints announcement even though those plans were in progress before he got involved.

The SJW section of the Left is moving so FAR to the left and getting so loud that they are making populists and conservatives look calm and thoughtful in comparison, if this doesn't change they won't be able to ever win anything again.

Damn those SJWs being all upity about feminism, civil rights, multiculturalism, and identity politics.

They already lost 910 state legislature seats, 12 governorships, 69 seats in the house, 13 seats in the senate, and the presidency since Obama took office. In 2018, there are 23 democratic seats in the Senate up for re-election. 10 of them are almost guaranteed to flip because they are in states Trump won bigly.

You assume big things are going to come from this Republican wet dream. The simple people of the land are going to learn they already had their guns but will have lost or meaningless social assistance and insurance.

If Trump does anything even remotely positive that can get visible results, more will flip. If they get 15, the Republicans will have a super-majority in the Senate. That's the situation you're in right now. I don't say this to gloat, I say this so that you can recognize it, accept it, and try to fix it.

You are gloating actually.

The average age of Democrat Leaders in Congress is 78, Republican Leaders average 53 I think. This is a serious concern. If this new populism, or Trumpism or whatever you call it really takes hold with young people (and it is taking a big chunk, over 30% of 18-25s voted Republican), the Left will have a hard time winning anything because the oldest people are dying and the youngest Democratic leaders are people like Keith Ellison who is openly anti-semitic and has at least tertiary ties to Terrorists. Yes, Democrats, PLEASE make him the DNC chairman. Ok, now I'm gloating a little.

Now, for some suggestions. If the Left ever desires to win again, here's what you can do:

1. Get out to the flyover states, give them a voice, and ask them what they care about. You really need to do this, this is how Trump flipped 6 states from blue to red.

Hillary and or her people did mess this up. You can be assured the next election they will hit simple because all of Trumps talk was simply that.

2. Drop the "identity politics" game, and talking about all these different minorities and oppressed people, and instead focus on equally-applied HUMAN rights. You accomplish the same goals, you aren't dividing the nation, and integration happens naturally. And you'd also regain some of the white vote. Unless of course, dividing the nation IS your goal, in which case, keep it up!

Wouldn't be easier to become Christian Republicans?

3. Try to become a "party of the people" because that title stopped applying in 1993.

Still of afraid of the Clinton bogeyman?

4. Stop calling everyone you disagree with racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic bigots. It obviously doesn't work when the person you're talking to is none of those things. I'd venture a guess that many of the 7 million people that stayed home and didn't vote last year did so because of that, and Hillary's "Deplorables" comment gave trump more votes, hands down.

Might help if people stopped being racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic bigots. The people that tend to get hit with these labels?.....just might be.

People that fit these labels should always get confronted and well laughed at.

5. Stay far, far, far away from Marxist Socialism always

Embrace the true american socialism! Privatize the earnings and socialize the losses.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Why does everyone assume that privatisation is some sort of magic bullet?

People that just don't understand how logistics work.

What really pisses me off is that NASA does most of the legwork when it comes to the serious stuff, like researching and reports and space forecasting, while the private companies reap their benefits without doing much of anything besides blasting tourists into space. I haven't seen any serious research projects from them or any serious expeditions in the works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqO1dYeJo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPGUQySBikQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplan ... ort_System

[Vassenor]

People that just don't understand how logistics work.

What really pisses me off is that NASA does most of the legwork when it comes to the serious stuff, like researching and reports and space forecasting, while the private companies reap their benefits without doing much of anything besides blasting tourists into space. I haven't seen any serious research projects from them or any serious expeditions in the works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqO1dYeJo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPGUQySBikQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplan ... ort_System

And? Remember, it took NASA over a decade to go from Explorer One to Apollo 11.

[The Rich Port]

People that just don't understand how logistics work.

What really pisses me off is that NASA does most of the legwork when it comes to the serious stuff, like researching and reports and space forecasting, while the private companies reap their benefits without doing much of anything besides blasting tourists into space. I haven't seen any serious research projects from them or any serious expeditions in the works...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqO1dYeJo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPGUQySBikQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplan ... ort_System

Experimental drones and a pipe dream.

Am I supposed to be impressed?

[Gauthier]

Why does everyone assume that privatisation is some sort of magic bullet?

People that just don't understand how logistics work.

What really pisses me off is that NASA does most of the legwork when it comes to the serious stuff, like researching and reports and space forecasting, while the private companies reap their benefits without doing much of anything besides blasting tourists into space. I haven't seen any serious research projects from them or any serious expeditions in the works, just catering to the obscenely rich.

Richard Garriott at least did some serious work while he was on the International Space Station.

Praise Be To Lord British.

[The Rich Port]

To be fair, I'm not for banning private space programs. I just want NASA back.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

To be fair, I'm not for banning private space programs. I just want NASA back.

Make NASA Great Again?

[Gauthier]

To be fair, I'm not for banning private space programs. I just want NASA back.

Plus if private industry took over space exploration wholesale there'd be fun shit like proprietary technologies and corner shavings for maximized profit.

[The Rich Port]

To be fair, I'm not for banning private space programs. I just want NASA back.

Plus if private industry took over space exploration wholesale there'd be fun shit like proprietary technologies and corner shavings for maximized profit.

Next thing you know... Red Faction: Guerrilla.

And I would be all for an independent Mars.

[Occupied Deutschland]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqO1dYeJo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPGUQySBikQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplan ... ort_System

And? Remember, it took NASA over a decade to go from Explorer One to Apollo 11.

And in forty years their innovation from Apollo 11 was bigger rockets and a shitty shuttle system that shouldn't have been used in the first place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvqO1dYeJo0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPGUQySBikQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interplan ... ort_System

Experimental drones...

Payload-delivering launch vehicles, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... statistics

[Vassenor]

And? Remember, it took NASA over a decade to go from Explorer One to Apollo 11.

And in forty years their innovation from Apollo 11 was bigger rockets and a shitty shuttle system that shouldn't have been used in the first place.

Experimental drones...

Payload-delivering launch vehicles, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... statistics

And you know the private sector will do better... how?

[Trumpostan]

Why does everyone assume that privatisation is some sort of magic bullet?

People that just don't understand how logistics work.

What really pisses me off is that NASA does most of the legwork when it comes to the serious stuff, like researching and reports and space forecasting, while the private companies reap their benefits without doing much of anything besides blasting tourists into space. I haven't seen any serious research projects from them or any serious expeditions in the works, just catering to the obscenely rich.

Richard Garriott at least did some serious work while he was on the International Space Station.

I believe its practically akin to a religious belief, the idea that the private sector will make everything better if you just believe it hard enough.
There's tons of stuff like in medicine and also the internet that wouldn't have seen the light of day if it had been left to the private sector.

Education and healthcare above all should be government functions first and foremost. Healthcare and education are rights, not privileges.

[The Rich Port]

People that just don't understand how logistics work.

What really pisses me off is that NASA does most of the legwork when it comes to the serious stuff, like researching and reports and space forecasting, while the private companies reap their benefits without doing much of anything besides blasting tourists into space. I haven't seen any serious research projects from them or any serious expeditions in the works, just catering to the obscenely rich.

Richard Garriott at least did some serious work while he was on the International Space Station.

I believe its practically akin to a religious belief, the idea that the private sector will make everything better if you just believe it hard enough.
There's tons of stuff like in medicine and also the internet that wouldn't have seen the light of day if it had been left to the private sector.

[The Black Forrest]

And? Remember, it took NASA over a decade to go from Explorer One to Apollo 11.

And in forty years their innovation from Apollo 11 was bigger rockets and a shitty shuttle system that shouldn't have been used in the first place.

The shitty shuttle program? How much did they cost and how long did it last?

You do get many of them flew well past their expectations right?

[Gauthier]

Plus if private industry took over space exploration wholesale there'd be fun shit like proprietary technologies and corner shavings for maximized profit.

Next thing you know... Red Faction: Guerrilla.

And I would be all for an independent Mars.

And more nanites than Oprah could ever give away.

[Occupied Deutschland]

And in forty years their innovation from Apollo 11 was bigger rockets and a shitty shuttle system that shouldn't have been used in the first place.

Payload-delivering launch vehicles, actually.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_F ... statistics

And you know the private sector will do better... how?

NASA lower-stage retrievals since inception: 0
Private sector lower-stage retrievals since inception (2002 or 2011, depending on whether you wish to base it off of company founding or the program beginning): 6

Though, perhaps a better metric would be
NASA ideas to recover rocket stages since inception: 0
Private sector ideas to recover and reuse rocket stages since inception: At least 3 (SpaceX, Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada)

[Gauthier]

And you know the private sector will do better... how?

NASA lower-stage retrievals since inception: 0
Private sector lower-stage retrievals since inception (2002 or 2011, depending on whether you wish to base it off of company founding or the program beginning): 6

Though, perhaps a better metric would be
NASA ideas to recover rocket stages since inception: 0
Private sector ideas to recover and reuse rocket stages since inception: At least 3 (SpaceX, Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada)

Of course if there's no profit or cost-saving potential to be had then private corporations have no reason to invest time and money into researching yet-unexplored avenues unlike government which usually doesn't obcess on how much moolah their next science project will make.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And you know the private sector will do better... how?

NASA lower-stage retrievals since inception: 0
Private sector lower-stage retrievals since inception (2002 or 2011, depending on whether you wish to base it off of company founding or the program beginning): 6

Though, perhaps a better metric would be
NASA ideas to recover rocket stages since inception: 0
Private sector ideas to recover and reuse rocket stages since inception: At least 3 (SpaceX, Blue Origin and Sierra Nevada)

You keep on saying that, yet NASA has done most of the leg work needed for mars landing.