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Do You Approve Of The Manner In Which Trump And His Team Are Handling The Transition?

Yes, absolutely
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28%
Generally yes, but with some reservations that I'll post in the thread.
84
11%
Not sure/Neutral
98
13%
Generally no, but with some hopeful signs that I'll post in the thread
49
6%
Not at all
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42%
 
Total votes : 770

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Postby Liriena » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:25 am


I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:26 am

Liriena wrote:

I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

What Constitution?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:28 am

Cymrea wrote:
Liriena wrote:I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

What Constitution?


The one Trump uses as Trump Toilet paperTM

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Postby Balkenreich » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:30 am

Liriena wrote:

I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

"Everything i dont like is an enemy of democracy: A post Election of trump guide for extreme leftists."
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:35 am

Balkenreich wrote:
Liriena wrote:I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

"Everything i dont like is an enemy of democracy: A post Election of trump guide for extreme leftists."


So, blocking protests is a good thing?

The very right that the constitution upholds?

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Postby Liriena » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:35 am

Balkenreich wrote:
Liriena wrote:I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

"Everything i dont like is an enemy of democracy: A post Election of trump guide for extreme leftists."

No.
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:36 am

Balkenreich wrote:
Liriena wrote:I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

"Everything i dont like is an enemy of democracy: A post Election of trump guide for extreme leftists."

You have an actual defence of Ryan's proposed fist-fuck of the Constitution?
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Postby Balkenreich » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:37 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Balkenreich wrote:"Everything i dont like is an enemy of democracy: A post Election of trump guide for extreme leftists."


So, blocking protests is a good thing?

The very right that the constitution upholds?


Broadcasts of the protests from the House Floor.

Its government property.
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:38 am

Balkenreich wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So, blocking protests is a good thing?

The very right that the constitution upholds?


Broadcasts of the protests from the House Floor.

Its government property.

I'm sure that would be a perfectly reasonable response were the Democrats to propose the same thing while in the majority. Meanwhile, government property is public. The Constitution is the supreme law of the US public.
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:38 am

Balkenreich wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So, blocking protests is a good thing?

The very right that the constitution upholds?


Broadcasts of the protests from the House Floor.

Its government property.

That describes quite a lot of places in which protests are commonly held.
Streets for example.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:40 am

Balkenreich wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
So, blocking protests is a good thing?

The very right that the constitution upholds?


Broadcasts of the protests from the House Floor.

Its government property.


They don't agree with the protesters, so they block them?

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Postby Cymrea » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:41 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Balkenreich wrote:
Broadcasts of the protests from the House Floor.

Its government property.


They don't agree with the protesters, so they block them?

Republicans are not known for their tolerance of opposition.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:51 am

Cymrea wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
They don't agree with the protesters, so they block them?

Republicans are not known for their tolerance of opposition.


What are you talking about? All that stuff in North Carolina was all about preserving democracy. :roll:
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Postby New Scario » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:05 am

Cymrea wrote:

Comey. Not the FBI.

Comey fucked up and should face consequences. But he won't because the kind of shady shit he pulled is fine if you're Republican. Democrats get years-long witch hunts that cost taxpayers millions regardless of finding nothing.


So its Comets fault that the Democrats get their foot in their mouth when trying to speak tot he working class, then, right?
They lost the key demographic that would've put them over the too and did put them over the top in 08 and 12 and are so quick to throw them aside as if those people shouldn't have their own interests at heart.
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Postby New Scario » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:06 am

Liriena wrote:

I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

I think violent protest and blatant control of the media are a bigger threat than the right.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:06 am

New Scario wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Comey. Not the FBI.

Comey fucked up and should face consequences. But he won't because the kind of shady shit he pulled is fine if you're Republican. Democrats get years-long witch hunts that cost taxpayers millions regardless of finding nothing.


So its Comets fault that the Democrats get their foot in their mouth when trying to speak tot he working class, then, right?
They lost the key demographic that would've put them over the too and did put them over the top in 08 and 12 and are so quick to throw them aside as if those people shouldn't have their own interests at heart.

Clinton would have won if not for Comey's letter. He didn't like his candidate was losing and violated the Hatch Act and should have been immediately fired and prosecuted.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:07 am

New Scario wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Comey. Not the FBI.

Comey fucked up and should face consequences. But he won't because the kind of shady shit he pulled is fine if you're Republican. Democrats get years-long witch hunts that cost taxpayers millions regardless of finding nothing.


So its Comets fault that the Democrats get their foot in their mouth when trying to speak tot he working class, then, right?
They lost the key demographic that would've put them over the too and did put them over the top in 08 and 12 and are so quick to throw them aside as if those people shouldn't have their own interests at heart.


You mean by voting for the candidate who wants to get rid of the healthcare stuff they want to keep and potentially rely on?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:09 am

Vassenor wrote:
New Scario wrote:
So its Comets fault that the Democrats get their foot in their mouth when trying to speak tot he working class, then, right?
They lost the key demographic that would've put them over the too and did put them over the top in 08 and 12 and are so quick to throw them aside as if those people shouldn't have their own interests at heart.


You mean by voting for the candidate who wants to get rid of the healthcare stuff they want to keep and potentially rely on?

Yup and i have zero sympathy for people who vote against their own interests.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:14 am

New Scario wrote:
Liriena wrote:I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

I think violent protest and blatant control of the media are a bigger threat than the right.

I don't know if livestreaming from your phone on the floor of the House of Representatives constitutes violence.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
You mean by voting for the candidate who wants to get rid of the healthcare stuff they want to keep and potentially rely on?

Yup and i have zero sympathy for people who vote against their own interests.

Then you have shitty views and no moral conviction.

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Postby Cymrea » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:17 am

New Scario wrote:So its Comets fault that the Democrats get their foot in their mouth when trying to speak tot he working class, then, right?

No, it's Comey's fault when he makes a public announcement the way he did, for the very clear reasons he did. That's not even a very good strawman.

New Scario wrote:They lost the key demographic that would've put them over the too and did put them over the top in 08 and 12 and are so quick to throw them aside as if those people shouldn't have their own interests at heart.

And has nothing whatsoever to do with Comey's conduct.
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:19 am

New Scario wrote:
Liriena wrote:I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

I think violent protest and blatant control of the media are a bigger threat than the right.

Ryan is proposing control over the media being sent from Congress in direct violation of the Constitution. I'm glad you oppose it.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:19 am

Liriena wrote:

I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.

lol

And the butthurt liberals who want Julian Assange executed, a democratically-elected President thrown out of office, and conservative news sites to be banned are such good allies of democracy.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:19 am

MERIZoC wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yup and i have zero sympathy for people who vote against their own interests.

Then you have shitty views and no moral conviction.

Muh morals!
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Postby Philjia » Wed Dec 28, 2016 10:20 am

Liriena wrote:

I said it once and I say it again: the American right-wing are enemies of democracy.


They're not enemies of democracy.

They're enemies of respect, science, the economy, the middle class, the working class, the sick, religious minorities, gay people, trans people, and civil engineering works.
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