Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Ashmoria]

Repealing the individual mandate would mean that prices spike as there is a lower base of cash with which to pay for treatment. The people who are uninsured will also end up needing emergency care which is paid for by higher premiums on those who still have policies. The mandate is a necessity.

And I agree. We should have a public option for health care. That means we need to elect Democrats to office.

We have had a democrat in office for 8 years and he's forced millions of people into the arms of corporate insurance.

that's how we do it in the US. the only alternative (politically possible) is not letting them get insurance at all because they cant afford it.

[Balkenreich]

I don't think any experts have actually said what you're claiming because any expert would know it's wrong. POTUS can't just push a button and launch nukes.

Again, this shit has been explained to you dozens of fucking times.

I never said they push a button. But if Trump gives the order to drop a Nuke on Tehran then several minutes later that missile launches. There is no stopping that launch.

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[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't think any experts have actually said what you're claiming because any expert would know it's wrong. POTUS can't just push a button and launch nukes.

Again, this shit has been explained to you dozens of fucking times.

I never said they push a button. But if Trump gives the order to drop a Nuke on Tehran then several minutes later that missile launches. There is no stopping that launch.

That is just factually incorrect.

[Ashmoria]

as a contrast, because this state took the Medicaid expansion my nephew was able to quit working in order to take medical leave and keep his family covered.

I wish those republican states cared as much for their people as they do their political party.

They don't, They just want money. After a neurosurgeon here got suspended for killing patients and being found to have done surgeries while under the influence of cocaine and alcohol, our Governor got personally involved in the lawsuit against the hospital to help them with lawyers. This is the same hospital where I had two surgeries and was left with a bleeding wound that hasn't healed for over 2 years following MRSA. Also the same hospital where I had to go to the ER, they stuck a rag in my mouth because the local anaesthetic wouldn't work, cut into me (a resident mind) and then sent me home without any pain medications because the staff doctor wasn't there to write a prescription. If I could, I'd sue them so far up their ass they'd wish for a bankruptcy, but knowing they own every hospital from Dallas to Austin in 22 counties, and with the governor having gotten involved in the past, unlikely. I have to drive to different cities to get medical done that isn't this hospital, including a 45 minute drive to, and then a 45 minute drive back from the nearest.

American Healthcare, folks.

And don't even get me started on my mental healthcare. And people wonder why I'm suicidal.

ohmygod that's awful.

does all the "god bless" "thank jesus" and "god's will" talk make you want to go postal? my sister took her husband to md Anderson in Houston and got so sick of it but HE had a good outcome (retired navy insurance).

[Lady Scylla]

I never said they push a button. But if Trump gives the order to drop a Nuke on Tehran then several minutes later that missile launches. There is no stopping that launch.

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Bit pointless. The moment it launches, Russia is launching. And then everyone else will follow. Strategic detection is designed to find ICBMs the moment they launch. From there, missile command goes on alert, active bases are mobilised and WW3 will be over in about an hour.

[Balkenreich]

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Bit pointless. The moment it launches, Russia is launching. And then everyone else will follow. Strategic detection is designed to find ICBMs the moment they launch. From there, missile command goes on alert, active bases are mobilised and WW3 will be over in about an hour.

I always wanted to be a raider in fallout.

[San Lumen]

I never said they push a button. But if Trump gives the order to drop a Nuke on Tehran then several minutes later that missile launches. There is no stopping that launch.

That is just factually incorrect.

Then do tell me what is correct since you know better than the experts?

[Lady Scylla]

They don't, They just want money. After a neurosurgeon here got suspended for killing patients and being found to have done surgeries while under the influence of cocaine and alcohol, our Governor got personally involved in the lawsuit against the hospital to help them with lawyers. This is the same hospital where I had two surgeries and was left with a bleeding wound that hasn't healed for over 2 years following MRSA. Also the same hospital where I had to go to the ER, they stuck a rag in my mouth because the local anaesthetic wouldn't work, cut into me (a resident mind) and then sent me home without any pain medications because the staff doctor wasn't there to write a prescription. If I could, I'd sue them so far up their ass they'd wish for a bankruptcy, but knowing they own every hospital from Dallas to Austin in 22 counties, and with the governor having gotten involved in the past, unlikely. I have to drive to different cities to get medical done that isn't this hospital, including a 45 minute drive to, and then a 45 minute drive back from the nearest.

American Healthcare, folks.

And don't even get me started on my mental healthcare. And people wonder why I'm suicidal.

ohmygod that's awful.

does all the "god bless" "thank jesus" and "god's will" talk make you want to go postal? my sister took her husband to md Anderson in Houston and got so sick of it but HE had a good outcome (retired navy insurance).

I do think the funniest experience I had was going to my dentist. After seeing what medications I was on, and that I was taking them for bipolar depression, he then proceeded to tell me that my depression would go away with Jesus and a hobby. While I'm sure he meant well, a) I'm here for a cavity, Doc b) bipolar disorder is the result of a chemical imbalance, only medication fixes that. I didn't argue though. I find being quiet is a better option when a guy is about to use a drill in your mouth.

The funny thing is, as well -- I'm on indigent care. I have to make (I thought it was $1000) less than $700/month to qualify. Now, under Medicaid, the State is paying for my healthcare, and I get pretty good care, I've been on it once before when I was young. On indigent, the State is paying for it, but it's crap care. I can only see their doctors or I have to pay full price. Understandably, that's not an option since my medication is like $2400, but fully covered so long as I go to the clinic they want me to go to. I've been informed on a few occasions by several doctors there that they're understaffed, or such and such is a bad doctor etc. I've swapped doctors at this clinic twice. The last one wouldn't up my antidepressants despite me becoming suicidal again, and told me to "get a life". The first one went "here are the medications, pick one". Didn't help that he was also telemed, so we chatted over Skype. So the State's paying for my care anyway, and fucking me.

[Balkenreich]

That is just factually incorrect.

Then do tell me what is correct since you know better than the experts?

What the fuck is Iran gonna do? what else could be POSSIBLY do to not get on their fatwa of the day?

[Washington Resistance Army]

That is just factually incorrect.

Then do tell me what is correct since you know better than the experts?

No one person in the United States has the authority or power to launch a nuclear attack. While POTUS does have the power to ORDER that they be used the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule. If SecDef isn't on board the missiles don't fly.

[Valaran]

That is just factually incorrect.

Then do tell me what is correct since you know better than the experts?

The experts aren't claiming shit about Trump and nuclear codes. At best, you've explained that experts know US nuclear doctrine and the presidential role within it, which is not at all the same as claiming that they believe Trump will nuke Tehran.

[Ashmoria]

ohmygod that's awful.

does all the "god bless" "thank jesus" and "god's will" talk make you want to go postal? my sister took her husband to md Anderson in Houston and got so sick of it but HE had a good outcome (retired navy insurance).

I do think the funniest experience I had was going to my dentist. After seeing what medications I was on, and that I was taking them for bipolar depression, he then proceeded to tell me that my depression would go away with Jesus and a hobby. While I'm sure he meant well, a) I'm here for a cavity, Doc b) bipolar disorder is the result of a chemical imbalance, only medication fixes that. I didn't argue though. I find being quiet is a better option when a guy is about to use a drill in your mouth.

very wise.

but to contrast... we don't have the greatest medical system here in small town NM but my nephew's doctors BEGGED him to take medical leave, helped him with all the paperwork required and there is an office here in town run by the state that helped him get onto Medicaid so that he could dare take time off from work. they have worked hard to get him what he needs and its all paid for.

without that Medicaid expansion he would have had to work until it crippled him. and then they would have been destitute and probably without insurance.

[San Lumen]

Then do tell me what is correct since you know better than the experts?

No one person in the United States has the authority or power to launch a nuclear attack. While POTUS does have the power to ORDER that they be used the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule. If SecDef isn't on board the missiles don't fly.

Then cant SecDef be fired for defying the President?

[Washington Resistance Army]

No one person in the United States has the authority or power to launch a nuclear attack. While POTUS does have the power to ORDER that they be used the actual procedures and technical systems in place for authorizing the execution of a launch order requires a secondary confirmation under a two-man rule. If SecDef isn't on board the missiles don't fly.

Then cant SecDef be fired for defying the President?

He can be. But no SecDef in their right mind is going to authorize a strike so Trump is going to spend 4 years firing people and nothing more.

[Lady Scylla]

I do think the funniest experience I had was going to my dentist. After seeing what medications I was on, and that I was taking them for bipolar depression, he then proceeded to tell me that my depression would go away with Jesus and a hobby. While I'm sure he meant well, a) I'm here for a cavity, Doc b) bipolar disorder is the result of a chemical imbalance, only medication fixes that. I didn't argue though. I find being quiet is a better option when a guy is about to use a drill in your mouth.

very wise.

but to contrast... we don't have the greatest medical system here in small town NM but my nephew's doctors BEGGED him to take medical leave, helped him with all the paperwork required and there is an office here in town run by the state that helped him get onto Medicaid so that he could dare take time off from work. they have worked hard to get him what he needs and its all paid for.

without that Medicaid expansion he would have had to work until it crippled him. and then they would have been destitute and probably without insurance.

See edit, btw.

Medicaid has always been pretty awesome for care. I was on it when I was a kid and never had any issues with it.

[Ashmoria]

very wise.

but to contrast... we don't have the greatest medical system here in small town NM but my nephew's doctors BEGGED him to take medical leave, helped him with all the paperwork required and there is an office here in town run by the state that helped him get onto Medicaid so that he could dare take time off from work. they have worked hard to get him what he needs and its all paid for.

without that Medicaid expansion he would have had to work until it crippled him. and then they would have been destitute and probably without insurance.

See edit, btw.

Medicaid has always been pretty awesome for care. I was on it when I was a kid and never had any issues with it.

you must be stronger than you think you are to be able to survive the bullshit they put you through.

[Lady Scylla]

See edit, btw.

Medicaid has always been pretty awesome for care. I was on it when I was a kid and never had any issues with it.

you must be stronger than you think you are to be able to survive the bullshit they put you through.

I'm just hoping something'll get better. I've already opted that if Trump does anything that means I lose what insurance I have, I'm committing suicide. Because I'm done fighting with it, and at least being dead will mean they can't fuck me further.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Then cant SecDef be fired for defying the President?

He can be. But no SecDef in their right mind is going to authorize a strike so Trump is going to spend 4 years firing people and nothing more.

Also, Mattis being who he is, Trump ordering him to launch nukes 'cuz I'm der Purzident!' would result in Trump getting beat up so badly he'd be ruled incompetent to carry out his duties.

Then, of course, Mattis would be punished for physically assaulting the Commander-in-Chief in such an egregious manner.
And not a single nuke would fly that day.

[Washington Resistance Army]

He can be. But no SecDef in their right mind is going to authorize a strike so Trump is going to spend 4 years firing people and nothing more.

Also, Mattis being who he is, Trump ordering him to launch nukes 'cuz I'm der Purzident!' would result in Trump getting beat up so badly he'd be ruled incompetent to carry out his duties.

Then, of course, Mattis would be punished for physically assaulting the Commander-in-Chief in such an egregious manner.
And not a single nuke would fly that day.

This mental image pleases me

[Uxupox]

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Bit pointless. The moment it launches, Russia is launching. And then everyone else will follow. Strategic detection is designed to find ICBMs the moment they launch. From there, missile command goes on alert, active bases are mobilised and WW3 will be over in about an hour.

By the point of nuclear launches then'd we being in a situation without solution.

[Ashmoria]

you must be stronger than you think you are to be able to survive the bullshit they put you through.

I'm just hoping something'll get better. I've already opted that if Trump does anything that means I lose what insurance I have, I'm committing suicide. Because I'm done fighting with it, and at least being dead will mean they can't fuck me further.

well that would suck but no need to make plans, eh? since tx didn't take the expansion I don't see that it will get worse for you. probably.

[Uxupox]

He can be. But no SecDef in their right mind is going to authorize a strike so Trump is going to spend 4 years firing people and nothing more.

Also, Mattis being who he is, Trump ordering him to launch nukes 'cuz I'm der Purzident!' would result in Trump getting beat up so badly he'd be ruled incompetent to carry out his duties.

Then, of course, Mattis would be punished for physically assaulting the Commander-in-Chief in such an egregious manner.
And not a single nuke would fly that day.

Why would he be punished? The Commander-in-Chief simply fell down the stairs. Repeatedly.

[Balkenreich]

Also, Mattis being who he is, Trump ordering him to launch nukes 'cuz I'm der Purzident!' would result in Trump getting beat up so badly he'd be ruled incompetent to carry out his duties.

Then, of course, Mattis would be punished for physically assaulting the Commander-in-Chief in such an egregious manner.
And not a single nuke would fly that day.

Why would he be punished? The Commander-in-Chief simply fell down the stairs. Repeatedly.

"He just fell down the staircase over and over again. mustve been drunk."

[Lady Scylla]

I'm just hoping something'll get better. I've already opted that if Trump does anything that means I lose what insurance I have, I'm committing suicide. Because I'm done fighting with it, and at least being dead will mean they can't fuck me further.

well that would suck but no need to make plans, eh? since tx didn't take the expansion I don't see that it will get worse for you. probably.

I'm hoping not. But we'll see. I just want to be able to actually live my life for once.

[Ashmoria]

well that would suck but no need to make plans, eh? since tx didn't take the expansion I don't see that it will get worse for you. probably.

I'm hoping not. But we'll see. I just want to be able to actually live my life for once.

yeah.

good luck with it. sometimes things do get better?