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Do You Approve Of The Manner In Which Trump And His Team Are Handling The Transition?

Yes, absolutely
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28%
Generally yes, but with some reservations that I'll post in the thread.
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11%
Not sure/Neutral
98
13%
Generally no, but with some hopeful signs that I'll post in the thread
49
6%
Not at all
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42%
 
Total votes : 770

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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:38 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Liriena wrote:My country's former president. Basically a female, left-of-center Trump: a wealthy, corrupt, vindictive, nationalistic populist with terrible Twitter habits and an unhealthy disdain towards critical voices in the press.


D:

Suffice to say, they were not the best eight years... although we did score a couple of major victories for LGBT rights.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:39 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:
>Answering claims is moving goalposts
>HRC site


wew lad


Your moving the goal post beacuse he wanted those things to happen and campaigned on a promises to make those things happen.

Now he is not doing it and you flipped the script that means you now also agree that those things should not happen despite your earlier agreement that those things should happen.

You are moving those posts really really really far away and/or are in denial.

And HRC is bad beacuse?


*All the media I watched told me so

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:40 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Dushan wrote:
No need to do it anymore.



Probably a good thing after all.



Irrelevant. Identity politics are a non-issue for Donald. He's got important stuff to do.



Possibly better that way to keep things as they are. Avoids unnecessary hassle.



And there you go.



As said before. The DrainTheSwamp Meme was a Brainchild of Steve Bannon. Trump was known before that his possibly Cabinet would have a lot of old-industry Tycoons. Which hasn't exactly materialized. So its better to focus on the Man and his Campaign in entirety than on the last Months.



I always thought somehow you'd were supportive of her somehow. Wasn she into extreme protectionist and autarky politics? Also lets not forget her shady Trade Deals with China and the xtreme Capital transfer exchanges controls.




Just beacuse it's a good thing he is not doing it, doesn't mean you agreed with a person who wanted it to go.

It means he is abandoning his positions and has the trustworthiness completely destroyed.
Liriena wrote:My country's former president. Basically a female, left-of-center Trump: a wealthy, corrupt, vindictive, nationalistic populist with terrible Twitter habits and an unhealthy disdain towards critical voices in the press.


D:


Sounds like it's more sycophancy; if he's doing it it must be the right idea.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:40 am

Camicon wrote:
Liriena wrote:Oh gawd... American friends, if you weren't worried before, you should be horrified now.

Cristina Fernandez likes Trump.

I love the Google translations in there.

"Let him who faced him he is a person with certain personal characteristics can not officiate tree to cover our forest " - Fernandez speaking about Trump

:p

Basically, she's arguing that Trump's personality is secondary to his importance as an anti-establishment figure for the working class.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:43 am

Liriena wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
D:

Suffice to say, they were not the best eight years... although we did score a couple of major victories for LGBT rights.


Not good, but the LGBT rights sound good.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:43 am

Liriena wrote:
Gauthier wrote:How did Argentina turn out after she left?

Not particularly well. The economy was doing poorly in the final years of her presidency, and the new government so far has been mediocre at best in their attempts to change course.

On the bright side, we're taking our first few steps into actually 'draining the swamp'.

A major problem with her economic legacy is that much of it was undermined by unreliable official statistics and widespread corruption.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:45 am

Grand Britannia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Your moving the goal post beacuse he wanted those things to happen and campaigned on a promises to make those things happen.

Now he is not doing it and you flipped the script that means you now also agree that those things should not happen despite your earlier agreement that those things should happen.

You are moving those posts really really really far away and/or are in denial.

And HRC is bad beacuse?


*All the media I watched told me so

No, you see, flipping is not the same as being mind zombies to getting all information from whatever satisfies confirmation bias.


No, you are going against things that he campaigned for.


That is what is happening now.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:45 am

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:45 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:


Just beacuse it's a good thing he is not doing it, doesn't mean you agreed with a person who wanted it to go.

It means he is abandoning his positions and has the trustworthiness completely destroyed.


D:


Sounds like it's more sycophancy; if he's doing it it must be the right idea.


^This^

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Postby Yorkers » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:46 am

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a general US federal politics thread than a Trump thread?
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:49 am

Yorkers wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to have a general US federal politics thread than a Trump thread?


But a Trump thread is moar Yuuge, silly.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:50 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Liriena wrote:Suffice to say, they were not the best eight years... although we did score a couple of major victories for LGBT rights.


Not good, but the LGBT rights sound good.

As a dirty leftist, what really frustrates me about her presidency is how much of a wasted opportunity it was. Economic conditions were great during much of her first term, and her husband had left her with a pretty sturdy legacy to build upon. She had the chance to really change things for the better on every level, but a lot of it was squandered on half-baked progressivism or tarnished by corruption. It really says something when the platform of a center-right candidate like Macri sounds slightly more progressive than yours.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:50 am

Liriena wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Gonna be a fun four years with His Excellency Trump doing Trump things and us with only a limited scope for making fun of him.

Incidentally, did you know that the US President is formally styled as "Your Excellency", in addition to "Mr. President"? I really hope that Trump tries to get people to call him that.

I'm almost certain that he'll try if he finds out. It's been firmly established that the man is almost pathologically obsessed with status and recognition.

Certainly he thinks that he's excellent.


Dushan wrote:
Vassenor wrote:McConnell has blocked the Russian interference investigation. Probably because his wife told him to.


A smart move by Trump to appoint his Wife to the Cabinet, forging close ties to one of the most influential GOP Party Leaders.

4D-Chess all over again.

The names suggests that 4d chess would be complex to the point of physical impossibility. Whereas this is transparent favour-currying of the sort that's gone on for about as long as humans have had a society in which favour could be curried.
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Postby Yorkers » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:50 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Yorkers wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to have a general US federal politics thread than a Trump thread?


But a Trump thread is moar Yuuge, silly.


Bigly.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:52 am

Liriena wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Not good, but the LGBT rights sound good.

As a dirty leftist, what really frustrates me about her presidency is how much of a wasted opportunity it was. Economic conditions were great during much of her first term, and her husband had left her with a pretty sturdy legacy to build upon. She had the chance to really change things for the better on every level, but a lot of it was squandered on half-baked progressivism or tarnished by corruption. It really says something when the platform of a center-right candidate like Macri sounds slightly more progressive than yours.


Wow.

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Postby Trump-Putin 2016 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:55 am

Yorkers wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to have a general US federal politics thread than a Trump thread?


No.

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Postby Liriena » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:58 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Liriena wrote:As a dirty leftist, what really frustrates me about her presidency is how much of a wasted opportunity it was. Economic conditions were great during much of her first term, and her husband had left her with a pretty sturdy legacy to build upon. She had the chance to really change things for the better on every level, but a lot of it was squandered on half-baked progressivism or tarnished by corruption. It really says something when the platform of a center-right candidate like Macri sounds slightly more progressive than yours.


Wow.

Yeah.

Heck, she even squandered her party's chance for a fourth consecutive term in the presidency. She hand-picked my province's governor as her successor, and forced all primary challengers to drop out before the primaries actually took place... and her candidate lost. To this day, I hear a lot of people in my social circles who despised her, but would have considered voting for her party if her Minister of Interior had been the candidate instead.
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Political compass stuff:
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Postby Trump-Putin 2016 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:59 am

Liriena wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:the salt nourishes me

How predictably infantile. You must be so proud of yourself.


It will make one's blood chemistry fucked up. Effects the thinking. Needs a better diet.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:59 am

Liriena wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Wow.

Yeah.

Heck, she even squandered her party's chance for a fourth consecutive term in the presidency. She hand-picked my province's governor as her successor, and forced all primary challengers to drop out before the primaries actually took place... and her candidate lost. To this day, I hear a lot of people in my social circles who despised her, but would have considered voting for her party if her Minister of Interior had been the candidate instead.

That doesn't sound good.

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Postby Arlenton » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:00 am

Trump has won more popular votes than any Republican candidate, 62,896,705, which beats George W Bush's 62,039,572.
Still not as large as either of Obama's wins of 69,499,428 and 65,918,507 or Clinton's loss with 65,737,061.

If you're wondering, I get the numbers from http://uselectionatlas.org/ as I have heard it is the most reliable. And the 2016 vote count is not official as of now so it may change.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:00 am

So all the sycophancy has put me in mind of one thing.

So is that what we have become; a 24th century Rome, driven by nothing other than the certainty that Caesar can do no wrong?
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:03 am

Vassenor wrote:So all the sycophancy has put me in mind of one thing.

So is that what we have become; a 24th century Rome, driven by nothing other than the certainty that Caesar can do no wrong?


Needs more civil war and more back stabbing. It's getting there though.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:04 am

The East Marches wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So all the sycophancy has put me in mind of one thing.



Needs more civil war and more back stabbing. It's getting there though.

We'll also need to be 300 years in the future.
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:05 am

Ifreann wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
Needs more civil war and more back stabbing. It's getting there though.

We'll also need to be 300 years in the future.


Give it enough time and that will work itself out
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby Yorkers » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:06 am

Vassenor wrote:So all the sycophancy has put me in mind of one thing.

So is that what we have become; a 24th century Rome, driven by nothing other than the certainty that Caesar can do no wrong?


Have become?


We've been like this since at least Reagan.
"Providence has been pleased to give this one connected country to one united people, a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs."
-John Jay, 1787

Dancing in the moonlight.
I wish that every kiss was never-ending.


An alternate history epic.

sa-wish!

Yorkers is a wealthy WASP playground inspired by L.L. Bean and Vineyard Vines catalogs and 19th Century Anglo-American nativism.

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