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Do You Approve Of The Manner In Which Trump And His Team Are Handling The Transition?

Yes, absolutely
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28%
Generally yes, but with some reservations that I'll post in the thread.
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11%
Not sure/Neutral
98
13%
Generally no, but with some hopeful signs that I'll post in the thread
49
6%
Not at all
320
42%
 
Total votes : 770

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Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:22 am

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Arlenton wrote:It's going to be so hard for me take part in the 2020 Presidential Election threads without calling him Z U C C...


"YOUR WEBSITE IS SHIT AND SO ARE YOU!"

"CANT CENSOR THIS, SUCKOBERG!!!"

Funny story, I messaged him on Facebook and his profile (IDK if it was actually him) read it.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:22 am

Novus America wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I'm not so sure if the wall will be built. I mean the W Bush fence still isn't finished. I think a small portion maybe a mile or two will be built an Trump will make a big scene about it but I think the rest of it will never see the light of day


Well an actual wall the entire border will not be built of course. Something even Trump acknowledged. But existing walls and fences will be improved and expanded.

Build the wall is a Twitter meme, not an actual policy. The actual policy will be different than what some picture "build the wall" to mean, sure.

I'm not even sure that a fence will be built. What ever they try will end up being a legal mess.
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Postby Balkenreich » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:24 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well an actual wall the entire border will not be built of course. Something even Trump acknowledged. But existing walls and fences will be improved and expanded.

Build the wall is a Twitter meme, not an actual policy. The actual policy will be different than what some picture "build the wall" to mean, sure.

I'm not even sure that a fence will be built. What ever they try will end up being a legal mess.


Well...there is already a fence up...partially?

Hell some drone patrols and maybe a few NG units here and there probably wont hurt.

Not completely unarmed of course but hey.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:25 am

Novus America wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Hillary was going to run anyway, poor example.

But, if so then,he has the right to.


If his policies are good, then I will support him.

If he wins DNC, I will support him.

If he has a chance at beating Trump in 2020, I will support him.


He has every right to run. But running a hard core neoliberal is probably not the best bet right now.

That depends on how bad Trump and Co fuck up the nation. If they plunge us into the greater depression, the democrats could almost run Hillary again and win.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:26 am

Balkenreich wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I'm not even sure that a fence will be built. What ever they try will end up being a legal mess.


Well...there is already a fence up...partially?

Hell some drone patrols and maybe a few NG units here and there probably wont hurt.

Not completely unarmed of course but hey.


Pretty sure Hellfiring people trying to cross the border isn't going to go over well.

Not least because blowing up civilians is exactly what people are criticising the current program for.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:26 am

Balkenreich wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I'm not even sure that a fence will be built. What ever they try will end up being a legal mess.


Well...there is already a fence up...partially?

Hell some drone patrols and maybe a few NG units here and there probably wont hurt.

Not completely unarmed of course but hey.

Ya the Bush fence that was supposed to cover the entire border.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:27 am

Novus America wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Hillary was going to run anyway, poor example.

But, if so then,he has the right to.


If his policies are good, then I will support him.

If he wins DNC, I will support him.

If he has a chance at beating Trump in 2020, I will support him.


He has every right to run. But running a hard core neoliberal globalist is probably not the best bet right now. Why him of all people?


Why not? He could still pull together enough votes to win.

But, If Bernie runs again, I will feel the Bern.


Arlenton wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Hillary was going to run anyway, poor example.

But, if so then,he has the right to.


If his policies are good, then I will support him.

If he wins DNC, I will support him.

If he has a chance at beating Trump in 2020, I will support him.

Look at the other dozen examples if you don't like Hillary.

He is doing exactly what a future presidential candidate would do. He even quit being an atheist.

Ok.

But why can't atheist's run the USA?

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:27 am

Vassenor wrote:
Balkenreich wrote:
Well...there is already a fence up...partially?

Hell some drone patrols and maybe a few NG units here and there probably wont hurt.

Not completely unarmed of course but hey.


Pretty sure Hellfiring people trying to cross the border isn't going to go over well.

Not least because blowing up civilians is exactly what people are criticising the current program for.

NYPD uses drones to patrol, the drones don't have to be armed
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:27 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Well an actual wall the entire border will not be built of course. Something even Trump acknowledged. But existing walls and fences will be improved and expanded.

Build the wall is a Twitter meme, not an actual policy. The actual policy will be different than what some picture "build the wall" to mean, sure.

A meme that he forced into realty.


Not really. Like much of Trump he is someone you project on. What you see Trump as is what you project. And what you project will not become reality.

The wall thing is not the big deal either side makes it out to be. We already have walls, and we can build more. It does not change that much, will stop some illegal immigration (as the current ones do) but that is about it. It is not in fact a major policy change.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:28 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
He has every right to run. But running a hard core neoliberal is probably not the best bet right now.

That depends on how bad Trump and Co fuck up the nation. If they plunge us into the greater depression, the democrats could almost run Hillary again and win.


^Also this ^

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Postby Romalae » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:28 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:But why can't atheist's run the USA?

People will vote for a Muslim before they vote for an evil, evil atheist.
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:28 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
He has every right to run. But running a hard core neoliberal globalist is probably not the best bet right now. Why him of all people?


Why not? He could still pull together enough votes to win.

But, If Bernie runs again, I will feel the Bern.


Arlenton wrote:Look at the other dozen examples if you don't like Hillary.

He is doing exactly what a future presidential candidate would do. He even quit being an atheist.

Ok.

But why can't atheist's run the USA?


Atheists can run in the US. They just can't win.


I don't even think there is a single Atheist in congress.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:28 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Arlenton wrote:Look at the other dozen examples if you don't like Hillary.

He is doing exactly what a future presidential candidate would do. He even quit being an atheist.

Ok.

But why can't atheist's run the USA?


Cultural stigma, mostly.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:28 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
He has every right to run. But running a hard core neoliberal globalist is probably not the best bet right now. Why him of all people?


Why not? He could still pull together enough votes to win.

But, If Bernie runs again, I will feel the Bern.


Arlenton wrote:Look at the other dozen examples if you don't like Hillary.

He is doing exactly what a future presidential candidate would do. He even quit being an atheist.

Ok.

But why can't atheist's run the USA?

This is the nation that went nuts over a catholic being president
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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:28 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Pretty sure Hellfiring people trying to cross the border isn't going to go over well.

Not least because blowing up civilians is exactly what people are criticising the current program for.

NYPD uses drones to patrol, the drones don't have to be armed


Not even sure how you could arm such a drone. They're not that big, any ammunition would cause some issues in flight -- let alone a weapon.

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Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:30 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Why not? He could still pull together enough votes to win.

But, If Bernie runs again, I will feel the Bern.



Ok.

But why can't atheist's run the USA?

This is the nation that went nuts over a catholic being president

He's from Canada. IDK if foreigners realize how conservative the USA really is.

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:30 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:NYPD uses drones to patrol, the drones don't have to be armed


Not even sure how you could arm such a drone. They're not that big, any ammunition would cause some issues in flight -- let alone a weapon.

Predator drones?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:30 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:NYPD uses drones to patrol, the drones don't have to be armed


Not even sure how you could arm such a drone. They're not that big, any ammunition would cause some issues in flight -- let alone a weapon.


People actually have mounted weapons on drones that small.

It's not overly efficient but it's doable.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:30 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
He has every right to run. But running a hard core neoliberal globalist is probably not the best bet right now. Why him of all people?


Why not? He could still pull together enough votes to win.

But, If Bernie runs again, I will feel the Bern.


Arlenton wrote:Look at the other dozen examples if you don't like Hillary.

He is doing exactly what a future presidential candidate would do. He even quit being an atheist.

Ok.

But why can't atheist's run the USA?


Why not? Because what he wants is completely different than what Bernie wants? Than many Democrats want? Problem is you are focusing on personality not policy. And the "Republicans" did it too is not a good argument. Sure they won, but would have done better with someone else. The Republicans did not win because of Trump. But in spite of him.

Republicans in congress won an actual majority and more votes than Trump got.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:31 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Pretty sure Hellfiring people trying to cross the border isn't going to go over well.

Not least because blowing up civilians is exactly what people are criticising the current program for.

NYPD uses drones to patrol, the drones don't have to be armed


I presume the "Not completely unarmed" statement applies to the drones as well.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:32 am

Romalae wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:But why can't atheist's run the USA?

People will vote for a Muslim before they vote for an evil, evil atheist.

Bernie is a secular jew, iirc, and he would have won if not for the Democratic Party's undemocratic super delegates...
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Postby Romalae » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:32 am

Arlenton wrote:I don't even think there is a single Atheist in congress.

There is one, but in watered-down terms (Wikipedia says "eschewing religious labels altogether").
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Postby Arlenton » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:32 am

Vassenor wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:NYPD uses drones to patrol, the drones don't have to be armed


I presume the "Not completely unarmed" statement applies to the drones as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System

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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:33 am

Romalae wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I don't even think there is a single Atheist in congress.

There is one, but in watered-down terms (Wikipedia says "eschewing religious labels altogether").

One atheist in a place that's as Christian as the 1960's
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Postby Novus America » Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:34 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Novus America wrote:
He has every right to run. But running a hard core neoliberal is probably not the best bet right now.

That depends on how bad Trump and Co fuck up the nation. If they plunge us into the greater depression, the democrats could almost run Hillary again and win.


Sure, that does apply, IF there is a major economic crash. Right now all ecnomic signs are positive but sure it could change.
Then any Democrat could win. But it still makes no sense to go for him over other options they have.
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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