Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Galloism]

Rosie afraid of being killed by drone strike?

Rosie, I get it, a lot of us would like to keep Obama, but it's not happening and that's not the way.

[Liriena]

Yes, it is. Wage gaps, for example. Sexual assaults still exist. Job opportunities are far better for white men such as myself than for black men, white women, or black women. This is simple statistics. But I guess you're not the one facing racism, are you?

As a lifelong liberal, this line of attack is not working. It failed us in 2016 and we will need to get away from identity politics to win again. Winning is important, lest that con artist and his party saddle our country with shitty economic and foreign policies for 8 years instead of 4.

Friendly reminder that "identity politics" are pretty much just right-wing codeword for civil rights. Never forget that the ones who popularized the use of the term did so as a slur, a thought-terminating cliché in opposition to things such as protests against racial bias in law enforcement and anti-discrimination policies for trans people.

Don't fall for their lies, don't cave into their narrative, and don't throw civil rights under the bus to appease those who already despise you. This supposed dichotomy between left-wing working-class populism and civil rights advocacy is a false dichotomy that only serves to sow the seeds of dissent among ourselves and pits us against one another while the powerful carry on unchecked.

Hillary Clinton did not lose because of "identity politics". She lost because she was a proponent of neoliberal economics in an election that was all about the failings of neoliberal economics. She lost because she was still neck-deep in a partially exaggerated but very damaging scandal, worsened by her many past misteps and shady dealings. She lost because Donald Trump beat her to the punch in appealing to voters who would have otherwise voted for a continuation of the Obama legacy. She lost because of events outside of her personal control that further undermined her public image and her party's chances of success in key states.

She did not lose because of the fight over "trans bathrooms". She did not lose because of the Black Lives Matter movement (which wasn't the least bit fond of her, as far as I can recall). She did not lose because of third wave feminism (at most, her mistake was in thinking that you could win much popular support by simply representing a novelty in political demographics - and Obama knew better).

[Sareva]

It was the Obama administration that oversaw the rise of this phenomena, and did shit like the dear colleague letter, race-baiting over BLM etc.
I think he's a cultural marxist of the frankfurt kind, and abused his office to try and push it on the public.

The legalization of propaganda is one way he did so.

We'll see if when Trump takes office and all the SJW crap dies off within a year or so. Then we'll know never to elect a Democrat like him again.

...how delusional are you? I'm not even trying to insult you here. I'm genuinely baffled by how eagerly you eat up and regurgitate this fecal nonsense. How deeply were your feelings hurt by these "SJWs" that you were driven to these sporadic displays of reality-divorced fanaticism?

Usually you speak reasonably, even if I disagree with you. But this is just haunting.

I have my own expectations when it comes to "SJW" types, but even then I try not to hold a grudge. I had a former co-worker who was more or less an "SJW" (Actually, to be fair he was overall a decent person to work with, it's just when we got pissed at each other it was like a damn time bomb went off), who has his own opinions on "Patriarchy" and "White Privilege", and I have mine. My point is, I have a certain expectation when meeting "radical" ideas, yet I am willing to learn from the experience. I shun both extreme-left and extreme-right ideals because they are exactly what they are called, extreme. I try my damnedest to be rational and logical when it comes to dealing with either an SJW or a Alt-righter.

[Gauthier]

Rosie afraid of being killed by drone strike?

Rosie, I get it, a lot of us would like to keep Obama, but it's not happening and that's not the way.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trump tried to have her sent to Gitmo, he's thin-skinned enough.

[Balkenreich]

As a lifelong liberal, this line of attack is not working. It failed us in 2016 and we will need to get away from identity politics to win again. Winning is important, lest that con artist and his party saddle our country with shitty economic and foreign policies for 8 years instead of 4.

Friendly reminder that "identity politics" are pretty much just right-wing codeword for civil rights. Never forget that the ones who popularized the use of the term did so as a slur, a thought-terminating cliché in opposition to things such as protests against racial bias in law enforcement and anti-discrimination policies for trans people.

Don't fall for their lies, don't cave into their narrative, and don't throw civil rights under the bus to appease those who already despise you. This supposed dichotomy between left-wing working-class populism and civil rights advocacy is a false dichotomy that only serves to sow the seeds of dissent among ourselves and pits us against one another while the powerful carry on unchecked.

Man, i think all my eyesight has just turned to shit.

[Uiiop]

As a lifelong liberal, this line of attack is not working. It failed us in 2016 and we will need to get away from identity politics to win again. Winning is important, lest that con artist and his party saddle our country with shitty economic and foreign policies for 8 years instead of 4.

Friendly reminder that "identity politics" are pretty much just right-wing codeword for civil rights. Never forget that the ones who popularized the use of the term did so as a slur, a thought-terminating cliché in opposition to things such as protests against racial bias in law enforcement and anti-discrimination policies for trans people.

Don't fall for their lies, don't cave into their narrative, and don't throw civil rights under the bus to appease those who already despise you. This supposed dichotomy between left-wing working-class populism and civil rights advocacy is a false dichotomy that only serves to sow the seeds of dissent among ourselves and pits us against one another while the powerful carry on unchecked.

I think identity politics have risen as a result of several factors, one of which is basically the result of wanting to belong to a community.

However, I feel many of the left miss the point that "inclusion" doesn't necessarily mean that minorities have to agree with them on everything. In so far as I have seen many people on the left, they tend to be insidiously racist when slighted by a difference of opinion from minorities, and this hurt the left this election, as well.

Not to say there's anyone here in NS who does it, but in many other communities you either agree with the group or you're the bad guy for disagreeing.

I think it is important to treat everyone fairly. Everyone should have the opportunity to improve their lot in life by pursuing whatever career they wish. People should not be penalized for factors they cannot help, like race, gender, place of birth, parents' income level, or sexual orientation, or for holding peaceful political or religious views. It is vital to continue the fight for equality where it does not exist. Police brutality against unarmed criminals who have already surrendered and unequal pay for equal work are injustices and should be addressed. The opposition to these injustices must be focused, however.

For lack of a better term, "political correctness" can and should be safely jettisoned. Should transgender people be treated worse than straight people? Absolutely not. Should we police language for pronouns? It's a meaningless platitude, screw it. Should rape victims be given the support they need in the criminal justice system? Absolutely. Should all rape victims be automatically believed without evidence while all accused rapists be considered guilty until proven innocent and demonized for life regardless of the verdict? I would argue no.

:/ People are using buzzwords to go "I don't mean like you think i'm only talking about the stupid elements."

[Sareva]

As a lifelong liberal, this line of attack is not working. It failed us in 2016 and we will need to get away from identity politics to win again. Winning is important, lest that con artist and his party saddle our country with shitty economic and foreign policies for 8 years instead of 4.

Friendly reminder that "identity politics" are pretty much just right-wing codeword for civil rights. Never forget that the ones who popularized the use of the term did so as a slur, a thought-terminating cliché in opposition to things such as protests against racial bias in law enforcement and anti-discrimination policies for trans people.

Don't fall for their lies, don't cave into their narrative, and don't throw civil rights under the bus to appease those who already despise you. This supposed dichotomy between left-wing working-class populism and civil rights advocacy is a false dichotomy that only serves to sow the seeds of dissent among ourselves and pits us against one another while the powerful carry on unchecked.

I'm highlighting a few things just to point out things I will debate against you over, however for the sake of keeping things civil, I will not attack you or the claims. I will not state my opinion on controversial statements like the above unless in a format that allows a real debate to occur. Typing something and then waiting for a response is a shitty way to go about it.

[Liriena]

...how delusional are you? I'm not even trying to insult you here. I'm genuinely baffled by how eagerly you eat up and regurgitate this fecal nonsense. How deeply were your feelings hurt by these "SJWs" that you were driven to these sporadic displays of reality-divorced fanaticism?

Usually you speak reasonably, even if I disagree with you. But this is just haunting.

I have my own expectations when it comes to "SJW" types, but even then I try not to hold a grudge. I had a former co-worker who was more or less an "SJW" (Actually, to be fair he was overall a decent person to work with, it's just when we got pissed at each other it was like a damn time bomb went off), who has his own opinions on "Patriarchy" and "White Privilege", and I have mine. My point is, I have a certain expectation when meeting "radical" ideas, yet I am willing to learn from the experience. I shun both extreme-left and extreme-right ideals because they are exactly what they are called, extreme. I try my damnedest to be rational and logical when it comes to dealing with either an SJW or a Alt-righter.

That's good. As someone who despises fanaticism in general, I appreciate your approach.

[Liriena]

Friendly reminder that "identity politics" are pretty much just right-wing codeword for civil rights. Never forget that the ones who popularized the use of the term did so as a slur, a thought-terminating cliché in opposition to things such as protests against racial bias in law enforcement and anti-discrimination policies for trans people.

Don't fall for their lies, don't cave into their narrative, and don't throw civil rights under the bus to appease those who already despise you. This supposed dichotomy between left-wing working-class populism and civil rights advocacy is a false dichotomy that only serves to sow the seeds of dissent among ourselves and pits us against one another while the powerful carry on unchecked.

Man, i think all my eyesight has just turned to shit.

I love you too, Balk.

[Liriena]

Friendly reminder that "identity politics" are pretty much just right-wing codeword for civil rights. Never forget that the ones who popularized the use of the term did so as a slur, a thought-terminating cliché in opposition to things such as protests against racial bias in law enforcement and anti-discrimination policies for trans people.

Don't fall for their lies, don't cave into their narrative, and don't throw civil rights under the bus to appease those who already despise you. This supposed dichotomy between left-wing working-class populism and civil rights advocacy is a false dichotomy that only serves to sow the seeds of dissent among ourselves and pits us against one another while the powerful carry on unchecked.

I'm highlighting a few things just to point out things I will debate against you over, however for the sake of keeping things civil, I will not attack you or the claims. I will not state my opinion on controversial statements like the above unless in a format that allows a real debate to occur. Typing something and then waiting for a response is a shitty way to go about it.

I'm okay with that if you are.

Friendly reminder that "identity politics" are pretty much just right-wing codeword for civil rights. Never forget that the ones who popularized the use of the term did so as a slur, a thought-terminating cliché in opposition to things such as protests against racial bias in law enforcement and anti-discrimination policies for trans people.

Don't fall for their lies, don't cave into their narrative, and don't throw civil rights under the bus to appease those who already despise you. This supposed dichotomy between left-wing working-class populism and civil rights advocacy is a false dichotomy that only serves to sow the seeds of dissent among ourselves and pits us against one another while the powerful carry on unchecked.

I think it is important to treat everyone fairly. Everyone should have the opportunity to improve their lot in life by pursuing whatever career they wish. People should not be penalized for factors they cannot help, like race, gender, place of birth, parents' income level, or sexual orientation, or for holding peaceful political or religious views. It is vital to continue the fight for equality where it does not exist. Police brutality against unarmed criminals who have already surrendered and unequal pay for equal work are injustices and should be addressed. The opposition to these injustices must be focused, however.

For lack of a better term, "political correctness" can and should be safely jettisoned. Should transgender people be treated worse than straight people? Absolutely not. Should we police language for pronouns? It's a meaningless platitude, screw it. Should rape victims be given the support they need in the criminal justice system? Absolutely. Should all rape victims be automatically believed without evidence while all accused rapists be considered guilty until proven innocent and demonized for life regardless of the verdict? I would argue no.

:/

Can't say I disagree with anything there.

[Sareva]

I have my own expectations when it comes to "SJW" types, but even then I try not to hold a grudge. I had a former co-worker who was more or less an "SJW" (Actually, to be fair he was overall a decent person to work with, it's just when we got pissed at each other it was like a damn time bomb went off), who has his own opinions on "Patriarchy" and "White Privilege", and I have mine. My point is, I have a certain expectation when meeting "radical" ideas, yet I am willing to learn from the experience. I shun both extreme-left and extreme-right ideals because they are exactly what they are called, extreme. I try my damnedest to be rational and logical when it comes to dealing with either an SJW or a Alt-righter.

That's good. As someone who despises fanaticism in general, I appreciate your approach.

My approach is "Respect is earned, not given." Walking up to me and calling me a "racist white bitch" isn't respectful, and I would kindly ask you to not say that to me, or I would promptly make you regret the decision. Same goes for "dick-loving faggot". I've been called both, mind you.

[Liriena]

Rosie afraid of being killed by drone strike?

Rosie, I get it, a lot of us would like to keep Obama, but it's not happening and that's not the way.

Yeah. Besides, for that to happen, Trump would have to understand the rules, protocol and process of ordering a drone strike on American soil, and I'm willing to be a dollar that he doesn't.

[Lady Scylla]

Rosie afraid of being killed by drone strike?

Rosie, I get it, a lot of us would like to keep Obama, but it's not happening and that's not the way.

Maybe they dated or something.

[Liriena]

That's good. As someone who despises fanaticism in general, I appreciate your approach.

My approach is "Respect is earned, not given." Walking up to me and calling me a "racist white bitch" isn't respectful, and I would kindly ask you to not say that to me, or I would promptly make you regret the decision. Same goes for "dick-loving faggot". I've been called both, mind you.

It's certainly fair.

[Gauthier]

Rosie afraid of being killed by drone strike?

Rosie, I get it, a lot of us would like to keep Obama, but it's not happening and that's not the way.

Yeah. Besides, for that to happen, Trump would have to understand the rules, protocol and process of ordering a drone strike on American soil, and I'm willing to be a dollar that he doesn't.

Would that really stop him from trying?

[Alec Baldwin as Trump]: "What do you mean I can't order a drone strike on that fat pig!?"

[Galloism]

Rosie afraid of being killed by drone strike?

Rosie, I get it, a lot of us would like to keep Obama, but it's not happening and that's not the way.

Maybe they dated or something.

That would explain the attitudes.

Both of them.

[Lady Scylla]

Maybe they dated or something.

That would explain the attitudes.

Both of them.

Yeah. Trump's had a history of being... not too faithful. >stares at second wife<

And this seems waaaaaay too personal, even for what they both usually tweet.

[Gauthier]

Maybe they dated or something.

That would explain the attitudes.

Both of them.

That would be plausible, Trump driving Rosie O'Donnell into lesbianism.

[Liriena]

That would explain the attitudes.

Both of them.

That would be plausible, Trump driving Rosie O'Donnell into lesbianism.

No wonder Pence has stayed loyal to him... Trump has potential as a "conversion therapy" tool.

[Gauthier]

That would be plausible, Trump driving Rosie O'Donnell into lesbianism.

No wonder Pence has stayed loyal to him... Trump has potential as a "conversion therapy" tool.

So that's what Trump meant when he said he was a Job Creator!

[Lady Scylla]

That would explain the attitudes.

Both of them.

That would be plausible, Trump driving Rosie O'Donnell into lesbianism.

Huh. I actually never knew she was gay. Well then.

[Galloism]

That would explain the attitudes.

Both of them.

That would be plausible, Trump driving Rosie O'Donnell into lesbianism.

Maybe if we talk this up enough, we can get in an intelligence report.

[Romalae]

That would be plausible, Trump driving Rosie O'Donnell into lesbianism.

Maybe if we talk this up enough, we can get in an intelligence report.

Maybe she was the one who actually pissed on him.

[Galloism]

Maybe if we talk this up enough, we can get in an intelligence report.

Maybe she was the one who actually pissed on him.

I like the way you think.

Edit: well, sort of. Let's consider that double edged.

[Lady Scylla]

That would be plausible, Trump driving Rosie O'Donnell into lesbianism.

Maybe if we talk this up enough, we can get in an intelligence report.

Send it to Fox praising Trump as a solution to the US' gay problem.