Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Lady Scylla]

Interesting enough rank and file House republicans won't repeal unless there is an immediate replacement

They know leaving their base strung out to die is a bad idea.

Voters are typically short-sighted. They do most of the policy-making at the start of their tenures, and then don't start giving a damn about public opinion until elections.

[Patridam]

Only because it would cost them votes

They realized it wasn't just Democratic voters who were going to die off without the ACA.

I just want to say here, that the first year the ACA came out my parents were happy with it. They could sort of afford healthcare - it was a 700 some dollar bill that the government paid 500 of. Then the bill went up and the coverage went down and the government help stayed the same. They dropped it after the first year, couldn't afford it, and when a medication or a doctors visit has a $50 copay whats the point?

Not saying there shouldn't be something, but the ACA is probably worse than nothing.

[Lady Scylla]

-snip-

Poor people unite!

Same. I just think it's important to know where you come from so you know where to go.

[Gauthier]

They know leaving their base strung out to die is a bad idea.

Voters are typically short-sighted. They do most of the policy-making at the start of their tenures, and then don't start giving a damn about public opinion until elections.

Plus no small amount are probably willing tools who'd eagerly swallow the party narrative that it's the other side's fault they're denied coverage with only a few months to live.

[Thermodolia]

Ryan promises to repeal and replace the ACA at the same time. It looks like the Freedom Caucus really got to him.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/12/politics/ ... index.html

[Gauthier]

Ryan promises to repeal and replace the ACA at the same time. It looks like the Freedom Caucus really got to him.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/12/politics/ ... index.html

The real trick is having a replacement that won't make people miss Obamacare.

[Lady Scylla]

They realized it wasn't just Democratic voters who were going to die off without the ACA.

I just want to say here, that the first year the ACA came out my parents were happy with it. They could sort of afford healthcare - it was a 700 some dollar bill that the government paid 500 of. Then the bill went up and the coverage went down and the government help stayed the same. They dropped it after the first year, couldn't afford it, and when a medication or a doctors visit has a $50 copay whats the point?

Not saying there shouldn't be something, but the ACA is probably worse than nothing.

Part of the pitfalls of the ACA was caused by the GOP. They prevented a lot of the finer points by stonewalling Dems until they finally gave in and reached a rather bad compromise.

[Thermodolia]

They realized it wasn't just Democratic voters who were going to die off without the ACA.

I just want to say here, that the first year the ACA came out my parents were happy with it. They could sort of afford healthcare - it was a 700 some dollar bill that the government paid 500 of. Then the bill went up and the coverage went down and the government help stayed the same. They dropped it after the first year, couldn't afford it, and when a medication or a doctors visit has a $50 copay whats the point?

Not saying there shouldn't be something, but the ACA is probably worse than nothing.

The ACA definitely has some problems. It needs reform not repeal.

[Thermodolia]

Ryan promises to repeal and replace the ACA at the same time. It looks like the Freedom Caucus really got to him.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/12/politics/ ... index.html

The real trick is having a replacement that won't make people miss Obamacare.

And one that won't die in the senate.

[Gauthier]

I just want to say here, that the first year the ACA came out my parents were happy with it. They could sort of afford healthcare - it was a 700 some dollar bill that the government paid 500 of. Then the bill went up and the coverage went down and the government help stayed the same. They dropped it after the first year, couldn't afford it, and when a medication or a doctors visit has a $50 copay whats the point?

Not saying there shouldn't be something, but the ACA is probably worse than nothing.

Part of the pitfalls of the ACA was caused by the GOP. They prevented a lot of the finer points by stonewalling Dems until they finally gave in and reached a rather bad compromise.

The insurance mandate was the only thing they allowed, and it was a Heritage Foundation plan that Romney implemented in Massachusetts to much praise until Obama touched it and it had to be put down like a zombie.

[Patridam]

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Poor people unite!

Same. I just think it's important to know where you come from so you know where to go.

A spoiler tag AND a snip. No kill like overkill. I will be personally injured if the mod doesn't give you a PSA on this obviously ebul post manipulation.

And believe me, I never forget where I came from. Especially when I come home over Christmas break and my bedroom is under 50 degrees. I intend to make my life proof that even the worst circumstances can be overcome. Maybe not become Jay Gatsby or some crap, I don't want to get shot in a pool, but you know.

[Patridam]

I just want to say here, that the first year the ACA came out my parents were happy with it. They could sort of afford healthcare - it was a 700 some dollar bill that the government paid 500 of. Then the bill went up and the coverage went down and the government help stayed the same. They dropped it after the first year, couldn't afford it, and when a medication or a doctors visit has a $50 copay whats the point?

Not saying there shouldn't be something, but the ACA is probably worse than nothing.

The ACA definitely has some problems. It needs reform not repeal.

Scylla, I need you in here, where's you spiel about "hard resets" when I need it?

In any case, reforming the ACA will be just as difficult as replacing it - it still requires the 60 vote, and still requires something resembling a consensus among Republicans.

[Thermodolia]

The ACA definitely has some problems. It needs reform not repeal.

Scylla, I need you in here, where's you spiel about "hard resets" when I need it?

In any case, reforming the ACA will be just as difficult as replacing it - it still requires the 60 vote, and still requires something resembling a consensus among Republicans.

And Democrats. Who are only three seats away from controlling the Senate

[Lady Scylla]

Poor people unite!

Same. I just think it's important to know where you come from so you know where to go.

A spoiler tag AND a snip. No kill like overkill. I will be personally injured if the mod doesn't give you a PSA on this obviously ebul post manipulation.

And believe me, I never forget where I came from. Especially when I come home over Christmas break and my bedroom is under 50 degrees. I intend to make my life proof that even the worst circumstances can be overcome. Maybe not become Jay Gatsby or some crap, I don't want to get shot in a pool, but you know.

Could do what we do. Leave the oven on and open the door a bit, and use a kerosene heater for the back of the house. It's funny during the mornings because everyone's huddled around the oven xD

It just means that, you and me, when the apocalypse happens, we're set. We've lived this, we know how to get by. Everyone else is screwed.

Also, I only edited the post that way because the spoilers broke shiz and I couldn't be arsed to tangle with code today.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They realized it wasn't just Democratic voters who were going to die off without the ACA.

I just want to say here, that the first year the ACA came out my parents were happy with it. They could sort of afford healthcare - it was a 700 some dollar bill that the government paid 500 of. Then the bill went up and the coverage went down and the government help stayed the same. They dropped it after the first year, couldn't afford it, and when a medication or a doctors visit has a $50 copay whats the point?

Not saying there shouldn't be something, but the ACA is probably worse than nothing.

I have to say, the ACA was but a tiny step with the right intentions.

I won't say Obama didn't have his heart in the right place, he certainly did. He was too naïve to think universal healthcare was going to be a hallmark of achievement in his presidential history though.

I feel something better should replace the ACA, now that we've had experience with a healthcare mandate and it's had it's quirks and challenges. To completely repeal it and have nothing to replace it though would be harmful.

[Lady Scylla]

The ACA definitely has some problems. It needs reform not repeal.

Scylla, I need you in here, where's you spiel about "hard resets" when I need it?

In any case, reforming the ACA will be just as difficult as replacing it - it still requires the 60 vote, and still requires something resembling a consensus among Republicans.

I still think there should be a hard reset. But, I'm comfortable with small measures like this as well if it'll actually fix the bugger.

[Novus America]

I just want to say here, that the first year the ACA came out my parents were happy with it. They could sort of afford healthcare - it was a 700 some dollar bill that the government paid 500 of. Then the bill went up and the coverage went down and the government help stayed the same. They dropped it after the first year, couldn't afford it, and when a medication or a doctors visit has a $50 copay whats the point?

Not saying there shouldn't be something, but the ACA is probably worse than nothing.

The ACA definitely has some problems. It needs reform not repeal.

Repeal and replace actually means reform. And post codification you do not really "repeal laws". Laws just edit or add to the code. In theory you could edit it back to the way it was before but the ways laws are written makes this unlikely.
You cannot simply write a law saying "repeal Obamacare". You would have remove every word it added and restore every word it deleted.

For example many sections of our current immigration law go back to 1950 or before. The 1950 law was changed greatly. Never repealed entirely.

They have already said several provisions will remain, the question is what form the reform will take.

[Thermodolia]

I just want to say here, that the first year the ACA came out my parents were happy with it. They could sort of afford healthcare - it was a 700 some dollar bill that the government paid 500 of. Then the bill went up and the coverage went down and the government help stayed the same. They dropped it after the first year, couldn't afford it, and when a medication or a doctors visit has a $50 copay whats the point?

Not saying there shouldn't be something, but the ACA is probably worse than nothing.

I have to say, the ACA was but a tiny step with the right intentions.

I won't say Obama didn't have his heart in the right place, he certainly did. He was too naïve to think universal healthcare was going to be a hallmark of achievement in his presidential history though.

I feel something better should replace the ACA, now that we've had experience with a healthcare mandate and it's had it's quirks and challenges. To completely repeal it and have nothing to replace it though would be harmful.

Which is why the House Freedom Caucus along with the moderate wing strangely enough balked at the repeal without an immediate replacement.

[Gauthier]

Scylla, I need you in here, where's you spiel about "hard resets" when I need it?

In any case, reforming the ACA will be just as difficult as replacing it - it still requires the 60 vote, and still requires something resembling a consensus among Republicans.

I still think there should be a hard reset. But, I'm comfortable with small measures like this as well if it'll actually fix the bugger.

The GOP is more focused on "Kill the Obama Cootie, and let the parasitic Dummycrat voters die."

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Poor people unite!

Same. I just think it's important to know where you come from so you know where to go.

A spoiler tag AND a snip. No kill like overkill. I will be personally injured if the mod doesn't give you a PSA on this obviously ebul post manipulation.

And believe me, I never forget where I came from. Especially when I come home over Christmas break and my bedroom is under 50 degrees. I intend to make my life proof that even the worst circumstances can be overcome. Maybe not become Jay Gatsby or some crap, I don't want to get shot in a pool, but you know.

Eh, my dad's done the same and overturned an entire family generation's poverty by immigrating to the United States.

Down in El Salvador, my grandma and her siblings lived in really bad poverty. Compared to El Salvador's poverty, I can say me and my family did extremely well for ourselves over here in the United States.

I'm sure you can do it. (God I hate this emote, but there you go)

[Patridam]

Scylla, I need you in here, where's you spiel about "hard resets" when I need it?

In any case, reforming the ACA will be just as difficult as replacing it - it still requires the 60 vote, and still requires something resembling a consensus among Republicans.

And Democrats. Who are only three seats away from controlling the Senate

That's a generous way of putting it I suppose... does it hurt you to say that Republicans have control of the Senate?

But, yes, a reasonable amount of moderate Dems will have to support the replacement/reform.... but if they can't get all or even most of the Republicans to support it no way in hell they'll get Democrats on it.

[Lady Scylla]

The ACA definitely has some problems. It needs reform not repeal.

Repeal and replace actually means reform. And post codification you do not really "repeal laws". Laws just edit or add to the code. In theory you could edit it back to the way it was before but the ways laws are written makes this unlikely.
You cannot simply write a law saying "repeal Obamacare". You would have remove every word it added and restore every word it deleted.

For example many sections of our current immigration law go back to 1950 or before. The 1950 law was changed greatly. Never repealed entirely.

They have already said several provisions will remain, the question is what form the reform will take.

It's called Amending. They can Amend the ACA law.

[Thermodolia]

The ACA definitely has some problems. It needs reform not repeal.

Repeal and replace actually means reform. And post codification you do not really "repeal laws". Laws just edit or add to the code. In theory you could edit it back to the way it was before but the ways laws are written makes this unlikely.
You cannot simply write a law saying "repeal Obamacare". You would have remove every word it added and restore every word it deleted.

For example many sections of our current immigration law go back to 1950 or before. The 1950 law was changed greatly. Never repealed entirely.

They have already said several provisions will remain, the question is what form the reform will take.

When I mean reform I mean working within the original framework of the law instead of doing a hard reset.

[Farnhamia]

Repeal and replace actually means reform. And post codification you do not really "repeal laws". Laws just edit or add to the code. In theory you could edit it back to the way it was before but the ways laws are written makes this unlikely.
You cannot simply write a law saying "repeal Obamacare". You would have remove every word it added and restore every word it deleted.

For example many sections of our current immigration law go back to 1950 or before. The 1950 law was changed greatly. Never repealed entirely.

They have already said several provisions will remain, the question is what form the reform will take.

It's called Amending. They can Amend the ACA law.

That would entail some kind of implied approval of it and that's not allowed. I sometimes think they hate it as much as they do because they didn't get to pass it in the first place.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The ACA definitely has some problems. It needs reform not repeal.

Repeal and replace actually means reform. And post codification you do not really "repeal laws". Laws just edit or add to the code. In theory you could edit it back to the way it was before but the ways laws are written makes this unlikely.
You cannot simply write a law saying "repeal Obamacare". You would have remove every word it added and restore every word it deleted.

For example many sections of our current immigration law go back to 1950 or before. The 1950 law was changed greatly. Never repealed entirely.

They have already said several provisions will remain, the question is what form the reform will take.

I mean, I am hoping Republicans have the sense to setup a program where people can have a practical cushion to fall on.

It just wouldn't make sense otherwise.