Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Gauthier]

One. It's quite an experience to be so reviled that others need to pile on in an SJW-ish manner and try to falsely equate an expression of condescending, sneering laughter with blatant ableism in a tu quoque attempt.

Two, You Are Not a Friend, And I Am Not Your Friend.

Knock that off.

TBF the Hur Hur hur meme is partly meant to sound stupid.
So that can seem problematic if you can't divide words meaning stupidity and words referring to mental problems.

Since when is stupidity intrinsically linked to lack of mental development?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

TBF the Hur Hur hur meme is partly meant to sound stupid.
So that can seem problematic if you can't divide words meaning stupidity and words referring to mental problems.

Sincd when is stupidity intrinsically linked to lack of mental development?

Is this a serious question?

[Uiiop]

TBF the Hur Hur hur meme is partly meant to sound stupid.
So that can seem problematic if you can't divide words meaning stupidity and words referring to mental problems.

Clearly he meant to imply that I was being slow and was being ableist by using the disability of developmentally disabled people in a joking context.

Actually judging by Know your meme it didn't actually start as that. Just sarcastically referring to stupidity in general...just like i said.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So any news from Donnie about Day 1?

[Gauthier]

Sincd when is stupidity intrinsically linked to lack of mental development?

Is this a serious question?

Given how phrases like "stupid mistake" is used without explicit declaration of mental retardation and such...

[Hittanryan]

Although I do not agree with your positions on what policies are correct, I respect that you are at least acknowledging what has worked and what has not. Many progressives have merely doubled down on identity politics and the other things that contributed to their loss this election.

I think identity politics by its very nature is racist and sexist and is a pox upon politics and whatever country it nestles in.

I think identity politics have risen as a result of several factors, one of which is basically the result of wanting to belong to a community.

However, I feel many of the left miss the point that "inclusion" doesn't necessarily mean that minorities have to agree with them on everything. In so far as I have seen many people on the left, they tend to be insidiously racist when slighted by a difference of opinion from minorities, and this hurt the left this election, as well.

Not to say there's anyone here in NS who does it, but in many other communities you either agree with the group or you're the bad guy for disagreeing.

I think it is important to treat everyone fairly. Everyone should have the opportunity to improve their lot in life by pursuing whatever career they wish. People should not be penalized for factors they cannot help, like race, gender, place of birth, parents' income level, or sexual orientation, or for holding peaceful political or religious views. It is vital to continue the fight for equality where it does not exist. Police brutality against unarmed criminals who have already surrendered and unequal pay for equal work are injustices and should be addressed. The opposition to these injustices must be focused, however.

For lack of a better term, "political correctness" can and should be safely jettisoned. Should transgender people be treated worse than straight people? Absolutely not. Should we police language for pronouns? It's a meaningless platitude, screw it. Should rape victims be given the support they need in the criminal justice system? Absolutely. Should all rape victims be automatically believed without evidence while all accused rapists be considered guilty until proven innocent and demonized for life regardless of the verdict? I would argue no.

[Uiiop]

I think identity politics have risen as a result of several factors, one of which is basically the result of wanting to belong to a community.

However, I feel many of the left miss the point that "inclusion" doesn't necessarily mean that minorities have to agree with them on everything. In so far as I have seen many people on the left, they tend to be insidiously racist when slighted by a difference of opinion from minorities, and this hurt the left this election, as well.

Not to say there's anyone here in NS who does it, but in many other communities you either agree with the group or you're the bad guy for disagreeing.

I think it is important to treat everyone fairly. Everyone should have the opportunity to improve their lot in life by pursuing whatever career they wish. People should not be penalized for factors they cannot help, like race, gender, or sexual orientation, or for holding peaceful political or religious views. It is vital to continue the fight for equality where it does not exist. Police brutality against unarmed criminals who have already surrendered and unequal pay for equal work are injustices and should be addressed. The opposition to these injustices must be focused, however.

For lack of a better term, "political correctness" can and should be safely jettisoned. Should transgender people be treated worse than straight people? Absolutely not. Should we police language for pronouns? It's a meaningless platitude, screw it. Should rape victims be given the support they need in the criminal justice system? Absolutely. Should all rape victims be automatically believed without evidence while all accused rapists be considered guilty until proven innocent and demonized for life regardless of the verdict? I would argue no.

The problem is of course the label "Identity politics" is applied to people who don't even do those things and is applied to people who try to point out that the injustice exists.
As seen in this thread.

[The East Marches]

Is this a serious question?

Given how phrases like "stupid mistake" is used without explicit declaration of mental retardation and such...

But it wasn't that, it was "HURR HURR HURR", quite clearly meant to imply intellectual disability as they now call it. You shouldn't use such backwards terms like mental retardation, thats just insensitive from a good progressive like you. You can just admit you were wrong, no harm no foul :^)

[Balkenreich]

So any news from Donnie about Day 1?

8 days until trumpirium declared.

also 8 days before the Hillary eats her shoe.

[Gauthier]

Given how phrases like "stupid mistake" is used without explicit declaration of mental retardation and such...

But it wasn't that, it was "HURR HURR HURR", quite clearly meant to imply intellectual disability as they now call it. You shouldn't use such backwards terms like mental retardation, thats just insensitive from a good progressive like you. You can just admit you were wrong, no harm no foul :^)

Since you're so determined to have the last word and win an argument, I'll give it to you. And drop the insincere smilies, it's not fooling anyone.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I think it is important to treat everyone fairly. Everyone should have the opportunity to improve their lot in life by pursuing whatever career they wish. People should not be penalized for factors they cannot help, like race, gender, place of birth, parents' income level, or sexual orientation, or for holding peaceful political or religious views. It is vital to continue the fight for equality where it does not exist. Police brutality against unarmed criminals who have already surrendered and unequal pay for equal work are injustices and should be addressed. The opposition to these injustices must be focused, however.

For lack of a better term, "political correctness" can and should be safely jettisoned. Should transgender people be treated worse than straight people? Absolutely not. Should we police language for pronouns? It's a meaningless platitude, screw it. Should rape victims be given the support they need in the criminal justice system? Absolutely. Should all rape victims be automatically believed without evidence while all accused rapists be considered guilty until proven innocent and demonized for life regardless of the verdict? I would argue no.

I don't disagree with you on any of these points, and I think as a matter of principle, I can agree with this "equal treatment" doctrine.

The problem becomes when, say, white leaders from the left begin to tell minorities that we should be thankful because you brought progress to us and gave a considerable amount of time to our cause.

I think one of the lessons this election, as a takeaway, would be not to toot your horn simply because you have spent money and time advocating for a cause if you happen to be of a privileged class and you're trying to help the destitute and when these people disagree with you on something, not to be slighted and rub in their face the fact that you went out of your way to help them when you very well could have said "fuck'em". In other words, if you are going to help, do it because you want to help, not simply because you want to have the credit to say you did. Nobody needs that kind of help.

This is not directed at you, mind, but it is something I've seen pop up among certain circles that irks me.

Expansion: Let me be clear that this is not to say nobody appreciates help. Everyone does. But that, while we appreciate the help, we don't need the help necessarily if people are going to start trying to intimidate and "whip" us in line because they've done something for us.

[Gauthier]

So any news from Donnie about Day 1?

8 days until trumpirium declared.

also 8 days before the Hillary eats her shoe.

4 years before people openly disavow support of Trump.

[Balkenreich]

But it wasn't that, it was "HURR HURR HURR", quite clearly meant to imply intellectual disability as they now call it. You shouldn't use such backwards terms like mental retardation, thats just insensitive from a good progressive like you. You can just admit you were wrong, no harm no foul :^)

Since you're so determined to have the last word and win an argument, I'll give it to you. And drop the insincere smilies, it's not fooling anyone.

you could always try to play nice, gauthier.

[Balkenreich]

8 days until trumpirium declared.

also 8 days before the Hillary eats her shoe.

4 years before people openly disavow support of Trump.

Declaration of 2nd trumpirium you mean.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So any news from Donnie about Day 1?

8 days until trumpirium declared.

also 8 days before the Hillary eats her shoe.

8 Days till hell on earth happens.

[The East Marches]

But it wasn't that, it was "HURR HURR HURR", quite clearly meant to imply intellectual disability as they now call it. You shouldn't use such backwards terms like mental retardation, thats just insensitive from a good progressive like you. You can just admit you were wrong, no harm no foul :^)

Since you're so determined to have the last word and win an argument, I'll give it to you. And drop the insincere smilies, it's not fooling anyone.

Thank you Gauthier, I'm glad we could bring this to an amicable conclusion. I'm glad people here have culturally appropriated my friendly smiley, its nice to see it around. I'll leave it off this time just for you.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

4 years before people openly disavow support of Trump.

Declaration of 2nd trumpirium you mean.

Not if the anti anti vaxxer thing comes in.

BTW, Globe and Mail is Right wing source.

[Wallenburg]

8 days until trumpirium declared.

also 8 days before the Hillary eats her shoe.

8 Days till hell on earth happens.

8 days until the Free Californian Army begins Operation Veto.

[Uxupox]

8 days until trumpirium declared.

also 8 days before the Hillary eats her shoe.

8 Days till hell on earth happens.

Gonna enjoy seeing the Obama photo replacement with Trump's every time I walk in to my office.

[Patridam]

Identity politics only work if you're conservative, as the election just showed.

[Balkenreich]

8 Days till hell on earth happens.

Gonna enjoy seeing the Obama photo replacement with Trump's every time I walk in to my office.

His gaze is guiding you to do some shit.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

8 Days till hell on earth happens.

Gonna enjoy seeing the Obama photo replacement with Trump's every time I walk in to my office.

While everyone around you has chicken pox.

[Uiiop]

Identity politics only work if you're conservative, as the election just showed.

I don't know about you but i did hear a lot of "Rural > City" talk in the aftermath of the election.
Not saying you personally were involved in this but that's what i heard.

[Lady Scylla]

Not really. Cartels have gone so far as using homemade submarines to smuggle drugs here, or having people transport things in their stomachs. They've built long tunnels, sometimes a good kilometre in length. It's a waste of money and resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

Ah yes. That would undermine my argument, if it were actually valid. People believe the wall is going to stop immigration, ignoring that most illegals are here on overstayed visas, not crossing the border. Ignoring the fact that it's not too terribly difficult to get around, or even go under the border as has been done for the past 30 years. People think, it'll stop the cartels, ignoring everything stated above and throughout the discussion thereafter over how the cartels routinely thwart those barriers. I'm really sorry to burst your thin bubble, but it's a scam. You're getting scammed. Mexico won't pay for it, Mexico isn't responsible for the US' border security; and, as I pointed out earlier over the native american reservation, I will not condemn them if they take up arms, I hope they do, in fact, because it is their land.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

Ah yes. That would undermine my argument, if it were actually valid. People believe the wall is going to stop immigration, ignoring that most illegals are here on overstayed visas, not crossing the border. Ignoring the fact that it's not too terribly difficult to get around, or even go under the border as has been done for the past 30 years. People think, it'll stop the cartels, ignoring everything stated above and throughout the discussion thereafter over how the cartels routinely thwart those barriers. I'm really sorry to burst your thin bubble, but it's a scam. You're getting scammed. Mexico won't pay for it, Mexico isn't responsible for the US' border security; and, as I pointed out earlier over the native american reservation, I will not condemn them if they take up arms, I hope they do, in fact, because it is their land.

To be fair, we do need border security, and it is one of the points I do agree with people on his side.

However, to believe that just plopping up a wall in the middle of the desert will work without reinforcing our existing security measures is naïve, and in fact, we can reduce a lot more if we had a comprehensive idea of what actual border security might look like instead of 5 second snippets told to us by politicians in order to vote for them when they don't even have a clue as to what the fuck is going on in our borders.

The fact that our border security is resembling more of a patchjob of measures instead of a comprehensive system is an issue.