Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Hittanryan]

Wage gaps, for example.

I study mechanical engineering, one of the highest paid fields in the country, and for good reason, because it is difficult. There are 57 males in my grade and major, but only 2 females. Meanwhile, across the quad, in the Gender Studies department, there are 32 females and 1 male in the same grade. There is the earnings gap. Not wrought by sexism, but by personal choice.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I study mechanical engineering, one of the highest paid fields in the country, and for good reason, because it is difficult. There are 57 males in my grade and major, but only 2 females. Meanwhile, across the quad, in the Gender Studies department, there are 32 females and 1 male in the same grade. There is the earnings gap. Not wrought by sexism, but by personal choice.



DECODING: "This poster is probably a white male, and so that means his position is less valid!"

And I do face racism. Everyone does. If anything, anti white racism is only getting worse as anti-black racism disappears.

Tbf, the reasons for the gender gap in STEM are still not fully understood, and far too complicated to boil down to "gurls dont engineer". It's a bit disingenuous to assert that the gender gap exists because of choice.

Took the words out of my mouth, there.

[Patridam]

Yes, it is. Wage gaps, for example. Sexual assaults still exist. Job opportunities are far better for white men such as myself than for black men, white women, or black women. This is simple statistics. But I guess you're not the one facing racism, are you?

As a lifelong liberal, this line of attack is not working. It failed us in 2016 and we will need to get away from identity politics to win again. Winning is important, lest that con artist and his party saddle our country with shitty economic and foreign policies for 8 years instead of 4.

Although I do not agree with your positions on what policies are correct, I respect that you are at least acknowledging what has worked and what has not. Many progressives have merely doubled down on identity politics and the other things that contributed to their loss this election.

I think identity politics by its very nature is racist and sexist and is a pox upon politics and whatever country it nestles in.

[Balkenreich]

Tbf, the reasons for the gender gap in STEM are still not fully understood, and far too complicated to boil down to "gurls dont engineer". It's a bit disingenuous to assert that the gender gap exists because of choice.

Took the words out of my mouth, there.

There are far better ways to look at it thourgh the eyes of a radfem.

[Patridam]

I study mechanical engineering, one of the highest paid fields in the country, and for good reason, because it is difficult. There are 57 males in my grade and major, but only 2 females. Meanwhile, across the quad, in the Gender Studies department, there are 32 females and 1 male in the same grade. There is the earnings gap. Not wrought by sexism, but by personal choice.

<insert overused meme>

Feel free to show me evidence that there are more females in engineering than males and more males in gender studies than females, and I'll show you a green dog.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

As a lifelong liberal, this line of attack is not working. It failed us in 2016 and we will need to get away from identity politics to win again. Winning is important, lest that con artist and his party saddle our country with shitty economic and foreign policies for 8 years instead of 4.

Although I do not agree with your positions on what policies are correct, I respect that you are at least acknowledging what has worked and what has not. Many progressives have merely doubled down on identity politics and the other things that contributed to their loss this election.

I think identity politics by its very nature is racist and sexist and is a pox upon politics and whatever country it nestles in.

I think identity politics have risen as a result of several factors, one of which is basically the result of wanting to belong to a community.

However, I feel many of the left miss the point that "inclusion" doesn't necessarily mean that minorities have to agree with them on everything. In so far as I have seen many people on the left, they tend to be insidiously racist when slighted by a difference of opinion from minorities, and this hurt the left this election, as well.

Not to say there's anyone here in NS who does it, but in many other communities you either agree with the group or you're the bad guy for disagreeing.

[Uiiop]

Yes, it is. Wage gaps, for example. Sexual assaults still exist. Job opportunities are far better for white men such as myself than for black men, white women, or black women. This is simple statistics. But I guess you're not the one facing racism, are you?

As a lifelong liberal, this line of attack is not working. It failed us in 2016 and we will need to get away from identity politics to win again. Winning is important, lest that con artist and his party saddle our country with shitty economic and foreign policies for 8 years instead of 4.

We can't actually say yet what failed.
After all we actually did get the popular vote.
Maybe it was just a matter of getting more promotional work in the states where the firewall slipped.
What i do understand it's more of a turnout issue rather than a switch over.

[Farnhamia]

<insert overused meme>

Feel free to show me evidence that there are more females in engineering than males and more males in gender studies than females, and I'll show you a green dog.

When you alter someone's post you're required to show the change with strike-through or a spoiler or something. Not doing so is actionable and is called "malicious quote-editing."

[Zapato]

Wage gaps, for example.

I study mechanical engineering, one of the highest paid fields in the country, and for good reason, because it is difficult. There are 57 males in my grade and major, but only 2 females. Meanwhile, across the quad, in the Gender Studies department, there are 32 females and 1 male in the same grade. There is the earnings gap. Not wrought by sexism, but by personal choice.

Sexual assaults still exist. But I guess you're not the one facing racism, are you?

DECODING: "This poster is probably a white male, and so that means his position is less valid!"

And I do face racism. Everyone does. If anything, anti white racism is only getting worse as anti-black racism disappears.

I hope you aren't looking for any social justice for white people, because when Trump ends the _pfffft marxist agenda of the Obama administration it won't be a thing anymore.

[Uiiop]

<insert overused meme>

Feel free to show me evidence that there are more females in engineering than males and more males in gender studies than females, and I'll show you a green dog.

As if that's the only two jobs available.
Boy the quality of this Pay Gap debate is really low compared to the rest.

[Patridam]

Feel free to show me evidence that there are more females in engineering than males and more males in gender studies than females, and I'll show you a green dog.

When you alter someone's post you're required to show the change with strike-through or a spoiler or something. Not doing so is actionable and is called "malicious quote-editing."

It was a huge picture that I didn't want dominating the page in a repost. Putting a strike through a image url code literally does nothing.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

When you alter someone's post you're required to show the change with strike-through or a spoiler or something. Not doing so is actionable and is called "malicious quote-editing."

It was a huge picture that I didn't want dominating the page in a repost. Putting a strike through a image url code literally does nothing.

You could have used the spoiler tag, or changing the IMG tag for a URL tag.

[Hittanryan]

<insert overused meme>

Feel free to show me evidence that there are more females in engineering than males and more males in gender studies than females, and I'll show you a green dog.

That wasn't a meme.

More to the point, the jury is still out on the exact causes for the disparity in gender ratios in STEM fields, to say nothing of the wage gap overall. If the wage gap does come entirely down to personal choice in fields of study, then the real question is why women choose to go into different fields than men.

[Farnhamia]

When you alter someone's post you're required to show the change with strike-through or a spoiler or something. Not doing so is actionable and is called "malicious quote-editing."

It was a huge picture that I didn't want dominating the page in a repost. Putting a strike through a image url code literally does nothing.

A spoiler, like Soldati says. *gives Soldati the hairy eyeball for doing my job for me* That's all, the more you know ...

[Patridam]

It was a huge picture that I didn't want dominating the page in a repost. Putting a strike through a image url code literally does nothing.

You could have used the spoiler tag, or changing the IMG tag for a URL tag.

Well I'll do that in the future, but the flame baiting/malicious quote editing has no suggestion of the sort. I am apparently supposed to be prescient about this stuff.

[Blakk Metal]

As I have said before, the wall would be more effective against drug traffickera and cartels than it would illegal aliens attempting permanent immigration.Not a bad thing.

Not really. Cartels have gone so far as using homemade submarines to smuggle drugs here, or having people transport things in their stomachs. They've built long tunnels, sometimes a good kilometre in length. It's a waste of money and resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

[Patridam]

Feel free to show me evidence that there are more females in engineering than males and more males in gender studies than females, and I'll show you a green dog.
That wasn't a meme.

Yes it is. The definition of meme is extremely broad.

More to the point, the jury is still out on the exact causes for the disparity in gender ratios in STEM fields, to say nothing of the wage gap overall. If the wage gap does come entirely down to personal choice in fields of study, then the real question is why women choose to go into different fields than men.

Unless the answer to that question can be proved to be the fault of unilateral systematic sexism, then it isn't an issue for the government to be concerned with.

[Uxupox]

<insert overused meme>

Feel free to show me evidence that there are more females in engineering than males and more males in gender studies than females, and I'll show you a green dog.

Going over a brief overview at what gender studies actually is then my conclusion is that I have never seen such a useless degree in the entirety of my life.

[Farnhamia]

You could have used the spoiler tag, or changing the IMG tag for a URL tag.

Well I'll do that in the future, but the flame baiting/malicious quote editing has no suggestion of the sort. I am apparently supposed to be prescient about this stuff.

Not at all. It was a public service announcement kind of thing.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not really. Cartels have gone so far as using homemade submarines to smuggle drugs here, or having people transport things in their stomachs. They've built long tunnels, sometimes a good kilometre in length. It's a waste of money and resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

The problem is though, she's right, the walls so far have done nothing but concentrate activity in unreachable areas (which are inherently dangerous), as well as cartels smuggling drugs via alternative means.

A wall isn't going to do anything but look pretty in the middle of the desert. You need more comprehensive measures than building a wall in order for your goal to minimize illegal immigration to the levels you seek to be feasible to begin with, let alone achievable.

I am not going to diss the wall, a chain-link fence is a good start, but there's more to it than chain-link fences, is the point.

[Gauthier]

Opinion echoing? Naaah...

Beautiful ableism by the way.

Gauthier my friend, must we bring up your "HURR HURR HURR" incident? It is impolite to call somebody out a topic like that while being guilty of it yourself :^)

Making fun of developmentally disabled as a joke isn't funny : (

One. It's quite an experience to be so reviled that others need to pile on in an SJW-ish manner and try to falsely equate an expression of condescending, sneering laughter with blatant ableism in a tu quoque attempt.

Two, You Are Not a Friend, And I Am Not Your Friend.

Knock that off.

[Gauthier]

Yes, it is. Wage gaps, for example. Sexual assaults still exist. Job opportunities are far better for white men such as myself than for black men, white women, or black women. This is simple statistics. But I guess you're not the one facing racism, are you?

As a lifelong liberal, this line of attack is not working. It failed us in 2016 and we will need to get away from identity politics to win again. Winning is important, lest that con artist and his party saddle our country with shitty economic and foreign policies for 8 years instead of 4.

Identity politics only work if you're conservative, as the election just showed.

[Uiiop]

Gauthier my friend, must we bring up your "HURR HURR HURR" incident? It is impolite to call somebody out a topic like that while being guilty of it yourself :^)

Making fun of developmentally disabled as a joke isn't funny : (

One. It's quite an experience to be so reviled that others need to pile on in an SJW-ish manner and try to falsely equate an expression of condescending, sneering laughter with blatant ableism in a tu quoque attempt.

Two, You Are Not a Friend, And I Am Not Your Friend.

Knock that off.

TBF the Hur Hur hur meme is partly meant to sound stupid.
So that can seem problematic if you can't divide words meaning stupidity and words referring to mental problems.

[The East Marches]

Gauthier my friend, must we bring up your "HURR HURR HURR" incident? It is impolite to call somebody out a topic like that while being guilty of it yourself :^)

Making fun of developmentally disabled as a joke isn't funny : (

One. It's quite an experience to be so reviled that others need to pile on in an SJW-ish manner and try to falsely equate an expression of condescending, sneering laughter with blatant ableism in a tu quoque attempt.

Two, You Are Not a Friend, And I Am Not Your Friend.

Knock that off.

It is just pointing out your blatant hypocrisy on the matter. There is nothing wrong with that is there? I suppose you would be opposed to that given some other positions you've taken but like that those, I'm sure a friendly discussion could fix this one too :^)

I'm sorry Gauthier, I forgot about your sensibilities, my mistake.

[The East Marches]

One. It's quite an experience to be so reviled that others need to pile on in an SJW-ish manner and try to falsely equate an expression of condescending, sneering laughter with blatant ableism in a tu quoque attempt.

Two, You Are Not a Friend, And I Am Not Your Friend.

Knock that off.

TBF the Hur Hur hur meme is partly meant to sound stupid.
So that can seem problematic if you can't divide words meaning stupidity and words referring to mental problems.

Clearly he meant to imply that I was being slow and was being ableist by using the disability of developmentally disabled people in a joking context.