Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Frenequesta]

It may be morally wrong, but governments don't care about morals but about expediency.

Never underestimate the will and power of your own government in fucking you over for being on the wrong side of the political fence.

It was a waste of time and money.

And remember, the government doesn't even care about being efficient.

[Novus America]

yes.

However, put yourself in their shoes.

As in the American government.

You have sustained an attack, you have hundreds of thousands of possible spies and paranoia of the american public is probably at an all time high.

Study some propaganda, some images pictured them as possible spies and collaborators which probably influenced some policy making on their part.

which is a shame, could've used some good recruits.

Hundreds of thousands of citizens who happen to be of the same ethnicity as the people who attacked them, not 'possible spies'. The American government didn't shuffle off Caucasians into concentration camps when they started fighting the Nazi's, they didn't label them all as 'possible spies' simply because they had fair skin.

Well actually...
"In reaction to the bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japan in 1941, President Franklin Roosevelt under United States Executive Order 9066 on February 19, 1942 allowed military commanders to designate areas "from which any or all persons may be excluded." Under this order all Japanese and Americans of Japanese ancestry were removed from Western coastal regions to concentration camps in Arkansas, Oregon, Washington, Wyoming, Colorado, Arizona, and Idaho; German and Italian citizens, permanent residents, and American citizens of those respective ancestries (and American citizen family members) were removed from (among other places) the West and East Coast and relocated or interned, and roughly one-third of the US was declared an exclusionary zone.

Fort Lincoln, North Dakota internment camp opened in April 1941 and closed in 1945. It had a peak population of 650. Today (2014) it houses the United Tribes Technical College. Some CCC barracks buildings and two brick army baracks were fenced and used to house the internees. The first ones were Italian and German seamen. 800 Italians arrived, but soon were sent to Fort Missoula in Montana. The first Japanese American Issei arrived in 1942, but were also transferred to other camps. The Germans were left as the only internees there until February 1945, but then 650 more Japanese Americans were brought in, these being ones who had renounced their U.S. citizenship and were waiting to be sent back to Japan. The brick buildings remain but others are gone. There is a newspaper article from The Bismarck Tribune, March 2, 1946 that 200 Japanese were still being held at Fort Lincoln.

Oklahoma housed German and Italian POW's at Fort Reno, located near El Reno, and at Camp Gruber, near Braggs, Oklahoma.

Almost 120,000 Japanese Americans and resident Japanese aliens would eventually be removed from their homes and relocated.

About 2,200 Japanese living in South America (mostly in Peru) were transported to the United States and placed in internment camps.[151]

Approximately 5,000 Germans living in several Latin American republics were also removed and transported to the United States and placed in internment camps.[152] In addition at least 10,905 German Americans were held in more than 50 internment sites throughout the United States and Hawaii."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... rld_War_II

So while Japanese got the worst of it, they were not the only ones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... mps#Canada

Canada did the same thing as well.

Yes it was very wrong, obviously. Not sure what it has to do with the thread really. It has not been proposed by any serious people we do this again.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It may be morally wrong, but governments don't care about morals but about expediency.

Never underestimate the will and power of your own government in fucking you over for being on the wrong side of the political fence.

It was a waste of time and money.

In the long run, yes. In the short run, it was the best decision they could come up with at the time.

Notice, I did not say the best decision they could have chosen, because I don't know how many options were before them and hindsight is 20/20, but them best they could come up with to solve the issue at that moment? Definitely.

[Novus America]

Hundreds of thousands of citizens who happen to be of the same ethnicity as the people who attacked them, not 'possible spies'. The American government didn't shuffle off Caucasians into concentration camps when they started fighting the Nazi's, they didn't label them all as 'possible spies' simply because they had fair skin.

Even people like Henry Ford who had openly endorsed the Nazi regime.

Actually several thousand German and Italian Americans were also placed in camps.

[Chestaan]

Even people like Henry Ford who had openly endorsed the Nazi regime.

Actually several thousand German and Italian Americans were also placed in camps.

The difference being that they imprisoned Germans on a case by case basis whereas if you looked Asian enough you were automatically stuck in a camp.

[Farnhamia]

Actually several thousand German and Italian Americans were also placed in camps.

The difference being that they imprisoned Germans on a case by case basis whereas if you looked Asian enough you were automatically stuck in a camp.

*looms like the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come and points back to the topic*

[Chestaan]

The difference being that they imprisoned Germans on a case by case basis whereas if you looked Asian enough you were automatically stuck in a camp.

*looms like the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come and points back to the topic*

Point taken, apologies.

* ahem * so what about that Trump guy?

[Novus America]

Actually several thousand German and Italian Americans were also placed in camps.

The difference being that they imprisoned Germans on a case by case basis whereas if you looked Asian enough you were automatically stuck in a camp.

Not really. It was all Japanese Americans in a certain area who were stuck in the camp. Not all Asians, or even all Japanese Americans (those outside the exclusion zone). Sure we did it more discriminately with Italians and Germans, but we still did detain several thousand including those who were American citizens.

Sure Japanese got the worst of it, and it was wrong. But they were not the only ones.

But sorry, off topic, and the thread has run out of life anyways.

[Valrifell]

*looms like the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come and points back to the topic*

Point taken, apologies.

* ahem * so what about that Trump guy?

The best guy. The greatest guy. Everyone says so. Even the greatest people, the best people I assure you.

[Camicon]

Hundreds of thousands of citizens who happen to be of the same ethnicity as the people who attacked them, not 'possible spies'. The American government didn't shuffle off Caucasians into concentration camps when they started fighting the Nazi's, they didn't label them all as 'possible spies' simply because they had fair skin.

Well actually...
*snip*

There is a distinct difference between sharing the dominant ethnicity of a state and being a citizen of that state.
[EDIT]

*looms like the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come and points back to the topic*

Sorry, didn't see.

[Balkenreich]

Point taken, apologies.

* ahem * so what about that Trump guy?

The best guy. The greatest guy. Everyone says so. Even the greatest people, the best people I assure you.

Hes what we got.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The best guy. The greatest guy. Everyone says so. Even the greatest people, the best people I assure you.

Hes what we got.

At least we'll all have jobs to help build the wall.

[Valrifell]

Hes what we got.

At least we'll all have jobs to help build the wall.

Still a drain on the national budget that benefits few and will continue to be a drain as we maintain it.

really bad idea all around.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hes what we got.

At least we'll all have jobs to help build the wall.

For like a month or two before the US economy is destroyed by the costs.

And then the Canadian liberation army rolls in.

Maple leafs everywhere, as it was meant to be.

[Valrifell]

The best guy. The greatest guy. Everyone says so. Even the greatest people, the best people I assure you.

Hes what we got.

He's the villain we deserve.

[Washington Resistance Army]

At least we'll all have jobs to help build the wall.

Still a drain on the national budget that benefits few and will continue to be a drain as we maintain it.

really bad idea all around.

Don't worry, we can make up for all the money it'll take by getting rid of the DEA and ATF.

It'll be the best wall you've ever seen. Believe me.

[Valrifell]

At least we'll all have jobs to help build the wall.

For like a week before the US economy is destroyed by the costs.

And then the Canadian liberation army rolls in.

And then a North American Union is formed. Just not the way you'd expect.

[Novus America]

At least we'll all have jobs to help build the wall.

For like a month or two before the US economy is destroyed by the costs.

And then the Canadian liberation army rolls in.

Maple leafs everywhere, as it was meant to be.

The wall is estimated to cost between 12 and 25 billion. Our current federal budget some 3.7 TRILLION, the deficit 440 billion.
So even assuming it costs the full 25 billion, it would be less than .7% of the budget for one year, and only increase the deficit 5.7% for one year, assuming it was spent all in one year.
Even if you feel the money would be spent somewhere else, it is NOT going to be ruinous. Its effect on the budget would be minimal.

That is assuming the worst case scenario as well. Assuming it actually costs 25 billion, and there are no offsets.

The US government can easily afford it.
Though in reality, I would expect an actual wall in certain, high visibility areas only, and a more modest fence elsewhere, and probably not along much of the Rio Grande, which is a natural barrier.

[Vassenor]

Looks like the EU and NATO are "obsolete" now.

[Balkenreich]

Looks like the EU and NATO are "obsolete" now.

Well NATO is useless if half the member states are lazy.

Trump is right in that regard.

[The East Marches]

Looks like the EU and NATO are "obsolete" now.

The EU yes, because they are our direct competitor and it would be good to see them gone. NATO as Trump mentioned, doesn't pay up like its supposed to. He also right that it has many problems.

[Vassenor]

And if recent meetings are an indication, his tack has changed from "global warming is a myth" to "global warming is good and saying otherwise is comparable to being anti-Semitic".

[Galloism]

And if recent meetings are an indication, his tack has changed from "global warming is a myth" to "global warming is good and saying otherwise is comparable to being anti-Semitic".

What the shit did I just read.

[Balkenreich]

Looks like the EU and NATO are "obsolete" now.

The EU yes, because they are our direct competitor and it would be good to see them gone. NATO as Trump mentioned, doesn't pay up like its supposed to. He also right that it has many problems.

If Europe can be intimidated by Russia.
They'd be scared shitless if we parked a Carrier Group in the english channel or the north sea.

Not like they can do shit about it.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And if recent meetings are an indication, his tack has changed from "global warming is a myth" to "global warming is good and saying otherwise is comparable to being anti-Semitic".

What the shit did I just read.

Huffpo