Trump MAGAthread II: Donald and Mike go to the White House

[Liriena]

It could be argued that going out to the streets and using force sounds like far more meaningful action than keyboard activism.

It will only backfire. Get out on the streets and organize, build grassroots for 2018. Do not create another 68 or 72. Well too late on the 68 thing, that already happened.

Did you know the most people though the Kent State shootings justified?
Have you heard of this little gem?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Hat_Riot

People where so sick of the shit in the late 60s and early 70s, they were perfectly okay with using violence to put it down.
And it all backfired, big time. Protests got crushed, and Nixon still got elected and reelected.

Point taken. Peaceful revolution it is.

You know what you Americans need? Pot banging. It's a great form of peaceful protest if you want people from all walks of life to feel comfortable joining in. No need to find one all-encompassing slogan or micromanage your rhetoric and method. Just bang some pots, and maybe sing the national anthem all together at some point. Wave a lot of flags if you can get them, or get just one really huge one to carry around.

[Novus America]

Wait surely I am misunderstanding. YOU voted for Clinton??

Yes.

I voted for the stoner dude. In Maryland though so my vote did not matter. Figured stoner dude was too stoned to be evil.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

Apart from voting for clinton?

Jack shit.

Wait surely I am misunderstanding. YOU voted for Clinton??

Seriously...I would think Balk would sooner combust.

[Balkenreich]

And riots will not get you it, just piss people off.

The Arab Spring began as protests iirc

>civil war
>Hundreds of thousands dead

How many people should die because trump got elected?

[Balkenreich]

Wait surely I am misunderstanding. YOU voted for Clinton??

Seriously...I would think Balk would sooner combust.

I voted my conscience and swallowed a bad pill.

[Liriena]

I agree, Trump is simply a symptom of a much larger illness. Neoliberalism in America is in crisis and Trump is what you get when such a system is rupturing. Democrats need to be held accountable for what they have done as well. Anger has been building ever since the financial crash and it is just coming to a head now.

And the American proletariat will rise up and do jack shit.

If the American proletariat could rise up and elect a Teddy Roosevelt once, it can do it again.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

Seriously...I would think Balk would sooner combust.

I voted my conscience and swallowed a bad pill.

I'd think you would go for Johnson or something...

[Balkenreich]

And the American proletariat will rise up and do jack shit.

If the American proletariat could rise up and elect a Teddy Roosevelt once, it can do it again.

>Man who expanded American power overseas
>Took panama

You sure?

[Chestaan]

I think some of you are misunderstanding the disruption tactic. They are prepared to fight back if need be but their aim isn't to cause a riot, though it surely will draw reprecussions from police. Push peaceful civil disobedience to the limits and if that draws attacks then defend yourself.

[Liriena]

If you paid attention to my wording you might have noticed that I didn't actually support using force. Merely stated that someone other than me could argue that direct physical action would be more meaningful than virtual rhetoric. I for one remain a pacifist.

And yes, I won't be participating in any riots in American territory anywhere in the near future. I don't even participate in riots in my own country, mostly because I hate violence, but also because they usually involve people I don't want to associate myself with. The only public demonstrations I participated in was during the pride march in 2015. I didn't participate in the anti-Kirchnerist demonstrations that started in 2012, in part because they usually happened on thursdays, and on thursdays I'm out having a barbecue with friends, and in part because a lot of the people who participated in them were idiots with terrible ideas.

Also... what productive things do you do exactly? On a political level?

Apart from voting for clinton?

Jack shit.

Bad balk. At least sign up for your favorite politicians' newsletter or something.

[Chestaan]

Seriously...I would think Balk would sooner combust.

I voted my conscience and swallowed a bad pill.

My condolences. If I was American I would have been in a similar situation. Not sure whether I would have caved and voted Clinton or not.

[Balkenreich]

I voted my conscience and swallowed a bad pill.

I'd think you would go for Johnson or something...

I live in Texas, my vote would not have counted either way.

Either way, unlike most People i accepted the results and say "Yep, Trump is my president. Wish him the best" and i left it at that.

[Novus America]

It will only backfire. Get out on the streets and organize, build grassroots for 2018. Do not create another 68 or 72. Well too late on the 68 thing, that already happened.

Did you know the most people though the Kent State shootings justified?
Have you heard of this little gem?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Hat_Riot

People where so sick of the shit in the late 60s and early 70s, they were perfectly okay with using violence to put it down.
And it all backfired, big time. Protests got crushed, and Nixon still got elected and reelected.

Point taken. Peaceful revolution it is.

You know what you Americans need? Pot banging. It's a great form of peaceful protest if you want people from all walks of life to feel comfortable joining in. No need to find one all-encompassing slogan or micromanage your rhetoric and method. Just bang some pots, and maybe sing the national anthem all together at some point. Wave a lot of flags if you can get them, or get just one really huge one to carry around.

Eh, does not really work in the US. People do not want too much noise, or their commute disrupted. Plus suburbization, gate communities, and locked high rises means it does not really work.
People might see you on TV.

What you actually have to do is organize for elections. Get ideas, get candidates, pound the pavement to raise awareness.
Get out there and TALK TO PEOPLE.

[Liriena]

And riots will not get you it, just piss people off.

The Arab Spring began as protests iirc

They did. With varied results, granted, and generally problematic aftermaths.

[Big Brain City]

If the American proletariat could rise up and elect a Teddy Roosevelt once, it can do it again.

>Man who expanded American power overseas
>Took panama

You sure?

He didn't conquer Argentina and reenact the colonization of it by the Spanish, as they already had their own fun to deal with, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think some of you are misunderstanding the disruption tactic. They are prepared to fight back if need be but their aim isn't to cause a riot, though it surely will draw reprecussions from police. Push peaceful civil disobedience to the limits and if that draws attacks then defend yourself.

Ah, okay. Was a bit confused there.

[Balkenreich]

Apart from voting for clinton?

Jack shit.

Bad balk. At least sign up for your favorite politicians' newsletter or something.

I fucking hate Politicians.

[Chestaan]

Point taken. Peaceful revolution it is.

You know what you Americans need? Pot banging. It's a great form of peaceful protest if you want people from all walks of life to feel comfortable joining in. No need to find one all-encompassing slogan or micromanage your rhetoric and method. Just bang some pots, and maybe sing the national anthem all together at some point. Wave a lot of flags if you can get them, or get just one really huge one to carry around.

Eh, does not really work in the US. People do not want too much noise, or their commute disrupted. Plus suburbization, gate communities, and locked high rises means it does not really work.
People might see you on TV.

What you actually have to do is organize for elections. Get ideas, get candidates, pound the pavement to raise awareness.
Get out there and TALK TO PEOPLE.

The system is set up in such a way that it's damn near impossible to make any headway if you're not within the two party system. Change is never easy in a democracy, but it's 100 times harder in the US.

[Novus America]

And the American proletariat will rise up and do jack shit.

If the American proletariat could rise up and elect a Teddy Roosevelt once, it can do it again.

I mean he was awesome, but not really your type. He was a capitalist, even if one who realized the need for the government to make sure it benefited the nation and people, not JUST the rich.
He was also a nationalist and militarist you know.

[Liriena]

Yes.

I voted for the stoner dude. In Maryland though so my vote did not matter. Figured stoner dude was too stoned to be evil.

It's a shame Johnson's popular support collapsed in the final months of the campaign, as disgruntled Republicans bit the bullet and towed the party line. If there was any election that would have perfectly justified the bulk of right-wing voters looking to the Libertarians for a clean-conscience vote, this was it. And despite that one Aleppo gaffe, he was a serious enough candidate.

[Liriena]

The Arab Spring began as protests iirc

>civil war
>Hundreds of thousands dead

How many people should die because trump got elected?

Ideally? None.
Realistically? People are going to die, American and otherwise, if he gets to act on his every impulse and morbid campaign fantasy. One hopes that Mattis will hold him back.

[Novus America]

And riots will not get you it, just piss people off.

The Arab Spring began as protests iirc

And got Egypt a authoritarian rightwing stratocracy, Syria and Libya civil wars and roving bands of fundamentalist death squads. ISIS too. And in most places was swiftly put down by force.
Only place it kind of worked okay is Tunisia.

Mattis the new el-Sisi? What are you expecting to come from that?

[Liriena]

If the American proletariat could rise up and elect a Teddy Roosevelt once, it can do it again.

>Man who expanded American power overseas
>Took panama

You sure?

If that's what it takes to drag your domestic policy to at least healthy center-left? Sure. Besides, it's either that or China. And while I appreciate China finally noticing that their air smells funny and deciding that maybe they should contribute a lot less to destroying our planet, I'm not sure I want a two-faced and notoriously oppressive tyranny lead the world.

[Novus America]

>Man who expanded American power overseas
>Took panama

You sure?

If that's what it takes to drag your domestic policy to at least healthy center-left? Sure. Besides, it's either that or China. And while I appreciate China finally noticing that their air smells funny and deciding that maybe they should contribute a lot less to destroying our planet, I'm not sure I want a two-faced and notoriously oppressive tyranny lead the world.

TR was not left wing, more a pragmatic centrist on domestic policy.

[Liriena]

Point taken. Peaceful revolution it is.

You know what you Americans need? Pot banging. It's a great form of peaceful protest if you want people from all walks of life to feel comfortable joining in. No need to find one all-encompassing slogan or micromanage your rhetoric and method. Just bang some pots, and maybe sing the national anthem all together at some point. Wave a lot of flags if you can get them, or get just one really huge one to carry around.

Eh, does not really work in the US. People do not want too much noise, or their commute disrupted. Plus suburbization, gate communities, and locked high rises means it does not really work.
People might see you on TV.

What you actually have to do is organize for elections. Get ideas, get candidates, pound the pavement to raise awareness.
Get out there and TALK TO PEOPLE.

Definitely not disagreeing with you, but this sort of demonstrations also serve their purpose in keeping otherwise complacent people engaged and energized outside of election campaigns. And they can exert enough pressure on elements within the government to make them change course.

A whole year of vigorious protests in urban and rural areas in 2008 convinced our vicepresident to betray his own president and the ruling coalition. He became a leading figure of the opposition after that, and a year later the ruling coalition suffered a substantial setback in the legislative elections.

[Liriena]

Bad balk. At least sign up for your favorite politicians' newsletter or something.

I fucking hate Politicians.

In my experience, you only hate politicians as a whole until you find the right ones and actually get to know them.